In 8 ufc fights, Dern has only 3 takedowns.

[kenetics]

They will Mackenzie. Isn't it time you put your kid to bed?

Love owning you. It was fun.

 

[blaseblah]

Well I know a ballpark from what her father told me and I can tell you it's alot more than her contracts in the UFC lol.

I highly doubt that. What's with the complaining over fighter pay if they make that much from sponsorships?

 

[kenetics]

I highly doubt that. What's with the complaining over fighter pay if they make that much from sponsorships?

Umm you do know fighter took a huge financial hit once the UFC stop allowing sponsors right?

That's why some fighters made more money at Bellator and didn't resign with the UFC. You have unlimited ability for sponsorship.

So again, you can doubt it. I know them personally and believe what her father told me.

 

[Vil7]

She needs to be trained by Conor McGregor in the art of panic wrestling.

 

[cauti0n]

go to a proper wrestling coach. going with triple cringe isn't enough and we don't know if he's a good Td teacher; most of the best teachers weren't the best athletes. i woudl say go to AKA, and let he be dagestan ready.

Isn't training with women against their religion/culture?

Doesn't seem like that would be beneficial.

 

[blaseblah]

Umm you do know fighter took a huge financial hit once the UFC stop allowing sponsors right?

That's why some fighters made more money at Bellator and didn't resign with the UFC. You have unlimited ability for sponsorship.

So again, you can doubt it. I know them personally and believe what her father told me.

You're just repeating what I told you and contradicting yourself. I just told you that fighter sponsorship took a hit with the Reebok deal. Now you're claiming that fighters make more money from sponsors than they do from fighting. Get your story straight.

 

[Fergelmince]

Love owning you. It was fun.

Good night mickenzie. Make sure you get a fresh brazillian wax before the onlyfans debut.

 

[kenetics]

You're just repeating what I told you and contradicting yourself. I just told you that fighter sponsorship took a hit with the Reebok deal. Now you're claiming that fighters make more money from sponsors than they do from fighting. Get your story straight.

Yes. Some make more from sponsors then contracts some don't. What's the problem?

Alot of fighters make more money outside the UFC then in with the right sponsors. I was just informing kenzie makes more outside the UFC.

You don't have to believe it, I'm not forcing you too lol.

 

[kenetics]

Doesn't she train at her Father's gym?
I don't think she would leave them...

No she trains and lives in Cali . Her father gym is in AZ.

 

[FinalConflict2005]

@kenetics look back a few pages, I had a response for you.

 

[kenetics]

yes but we are talking about MMA not competition BJJ tournaments. The expectation of her is to utilize her BJJ skills and that requires getting the opponent on the ground. So the question is why can she not do basic single legs, arm drags, body locks and so on. This is your profession.

@kenetics

Again. It's not as easy as you think learning wrestling later on. It's a young man sport. The older you get the harder it will be on you body. That's why alot of guys who started in wrestling rather strike as they get older, the wear and tear is to much.

So most people who come from bjj are going to struggle with takedowns if they didn't do them in bjj. Especially if they were primary guard players.

Arm drag will get you ko. I agree with singles and leg whips .

 

[Oozing BDE]

In eight UFC fights she's 6-2.

 

[WhosTheBoss]

In eight UFC fights she's 6-2.

My 63 year old mom would be 3-3
It’s that bad

 

[snugglecakes]

Because bjj and especially competition don't reward takes downs as much as playing guard. It's is more beneficial to practice all ground work more than takedowns because it's an easier route to victory.

A guard player in bjj competition can sweep and sub from the bottom. The top player can only pass guard to get points and before they can start going for subs.

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mcdojo BJJ belt holders need to realize this.. or else stay in their no striking allowed comfort zone.

The bjj standards needs to change/evolve. if you can't get up from the bottom, sweep, stop a takedown, or get a takedown then yur mcdojo belt should get stripped and replaced with a blue belt. If you run a gym that gives belts to people who can't do each of these things then you are running a mcdojo n you need to be called out for it. Most bjj schools are probably mcdojos... just like how most karate schools in the 90s were mcdojos. Just cause most are n its the norm... doesnt mean theyre not mcdojos

 

[The_Renaissance]

She's basically a female Gracie. How many Gracies have we seen in the UFC or other major orgs, who are fucking awful if they can't hit a takedown within 2-3minutes of the 1st round?

 

[maximus__]

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mcdojo BJJ belt holders need to realize this.. or else stay in their no striking allowed comfort. the zone.

The bjj standards needs to change. if you can't get up from the bottom, sweep, stop a takedown, or get a takedown then yur mcdojo belt should get stripped and replaced with a blue blue. If you run a gym that gives belts to people who can't do these things then you are running a mcdojo n you need to be called out for it. Most bjj schools are probably mcdojos... just like how most karate schools in the 90s were mcdojos. Just cause most are n its the norm... doesnt mean theyre not mcdojos

I will mention at no point was Dern even close to getting finished where as her opponent was saved 2x by the bell. It's more an issue with MMA having all rounds start on the feet. Don't get me wrong, she lost the fight and has heaps of work to do, but her opponent had 3.5 rounds to impose her will in her wheel house and get the finish and the only moments anyone looks like getting finished belonged to Dern. 2 years from now IF Dern works out how to throw a 1-2 into a takedown she wins that fight. That's not a hard thing to teach someone in 2 years if she gets it to click. Her defence was pretty good on the boxing side of things, she needs to add some checks and learn how to counter kicks into takedowns better.

If she can throw straight and crowd her opponents she will continuue to win more than she loses with some minor adjustements. That's scary to think with how that fight played out.

 

[snugglecakes]

IF Dern works out how to throw a 1-2 into a takedown she wins that fight. That's not a hard thing to teach someone in 2 years if she gets it to click. Her defence was pretty good on the boxing side of things, she needs to add some checks and learn how to counter kicks into takedowns better.

If she can throw straight and crowd her opponents she will continuue to win more than she loses with some minor adjustements. That's scary to think with how that fight played out.

you can say something like that about anybody. if rhonda worked on her striking with an actual coach she could have... if brock had learned to strike properly he could have.... if Rodriguez had learned better take down defense she would have beaten dern more soundly... if dern had learned better striking n takedowns she could have.. if dern learned to be a better fighter she could have yadda yadda... if cm punk had learned mma instead of dubya dubya wrassling when he was younger he could have....

one thing thats been consistant tho is historically when somebody has shitty takedowns or take down defense in mma.. generally they never really improve it or barely improve it... i can't think of a single fighter who once upon a time they had shitty wrestling but then they worked on it and years later they had good wrestling. The most you'll see is very minor improvements n it stops there.

Carlos conduit comes to mind from the top of my head... he had garbage poopee wrestling early in his career.... n then fast forward years later his wrestling was still pee pee... then fast forward more years later.. he retired with the same pee pee wrestlng... for some areas it just seems like if you haven't developed it once u hit a certain age... u probably never will.

Takedowns and Take down defense seems to be the most common thing that people never/barely improve. You see people improve their striking n submissions all the time... but if you have shitty wrestling at dern's age.. you'll probably retire with shitty wrestling. The most you can hope for is to go from being a shitty wrestler to a slightly less shitty wrestler. Once a shitty wrestler, always a shitty wrestler.

 

[DestinedAussie]

Great money at fighting??? She only made $66k and 25% of that will be paid out to coach, trainers, gym management, etc BEFORE income tax. If you can't post real dollar amounts, don't reply.

https://mmasalaries.com/ufc-vegas-39-salaries-and-payouts/

Can't you read the table? She made 128K (would have mad 200K if she won). She also grabbed the 50K performance bonus in 3 of her last 4 fights. She isn't doing okay for WMMA who isn't really a contender yet.

 

[Iroh]

Offically, she has only landed 3 takedowns in her ufc career. This should be a glaring weakness in her game by now, right? Do you think she's at the right gym to fix this weakness? and if not, where do you think she should go?

It doesn't seem like there's as many good wrestling focused gyms for WMMA fighters as there are for males. For instance, AKA is obviously a great wrestling gym, but they seem to have very few female bodies for Dern to train with there.

Anyways, I'm just wondering what you think Dern should do next.

How many attempts?

 

[DestinedAussie]

I will mention at no point was Dern even close to getting finished where as her opponent was saved 2x by the bell. It's more an issue with MMA having all rounds start on the feet. Don't get me wrong, she lost the fight and has heaps of work to do, but her opponent had 3.5 rounds to impose her will in her wheel house and get the finish and the only moments anyone looks like getting finished belonged to Dern. 2 years from now IF Dern works out how to throw a 1-2 into a takedown she wins that fight. That's not a hard thing to teach someone in 2 years if she gets it to click. Her defence was pretty good on the boxing side of things, she needs to add some checks and learn how to counter kicks into takedowns better.

If she can throw straight and crowd her opponents she will continuue to win more than she loses with some minor adjustements. That's scary to think with how that fight played out.

I don't think MMA starting on the feet is an issue. Starting any rounds on the ground would give a huge advantage to BJJ and wrestlers. It is long established it starts on the feet and that isn't a problem for different styles of fighting to succeed. You can see this by looking thru the champs and seeing it is a mix between wrestlers and strikers.