Elections Immigrants in the US shifted to the right by a whopping 40 points

[Rational Poster]

LOL acting like Democrats do not play politics just as much as Republicans. Reality: both sides are constantly jockeying for power and use gerrymandering and everything else to win political power.

Executive Order 13986, signed by President Biden on January 20, 2021, ensures that undocumented immigrants are included in the count for the purpose of reapportioning seats in the House of Representatives.

"Executive Order 13986 requires non-citizens to be counted in the 2020 census, both for the purposes of enumeration and determining congressional apportionment."

Joe Biden officially came into office as the 46th President of the United States on January 20, 2021. So he signed this executive order on DAY ONE.

Executive Order 13986 - Wikipedia

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Man you seemed to have cutoff the important part of that executive order for some seemingly dishonest reason.

"The order reverses Executive Order 13880 and other Trump administration policies that had excluded non-citizens from the census count for the 2020 census. "

Biden's executive order normalized the collection of census data based on the changes Trump made.

 

[Rational Poster]

Nope. You're too dumb to understand.

The Democrats have more members in Congress, because they get to count the illegals in the census for their areas.

This is loser fan fiction not even worth addressing.

 

[Aurelian]

Are we certain they just don't hate brown people?

 

[Hog-train]

Man you seemed to have cutoff the important part of that executive order for some seemingly dishonest reason.

"The order reverses Executive Order 13880 and other Trump administration policies that had excluded non-citizens from the census count for the 2020 census. "

Biden's executive order normalized the collection of census data based on the changes Trump made.

Yea and that was politically motivated. Just as Trump's was.

That's my point. Both sides jockey for power and play politics. Both sides gerrymander constantly.

And manipulating Census numbers is part and parcel of that jockeying for power.

Otherwise, there is no explaining Biden's specific executive orders that allowed millions to flood the border - getting rid of the Remain in Mexico asylum program, instituting catch and release programs, etc.

 

[oldshadow]

But I thought open borders was all a ploy for democrats to import voters.

What happened?

Still don't get the legal vs illegal like most demorats .

 

[Rational Poster]

Yea and that was politically motivated. Just as Trump's was.

That's my point. Both sides jockey for power and play politics.

Normalizing the way census data is collected to the way it has always been collected since we started collecting it isn't politicization. This isn't a both sides thing, very dishonest to try and paint it that way. But you know, your initial framing was dishonest so not really a surprise you would continue.

The very idea that one party or the other greatly benefits from non-citizens beings counted in the census is retarded and reveals an ignorance in the scale of elections, how house seats are allocated and won, and how individuals vote election to election.

In reality if I really looked into it, I'm sure low population red states benefit slightly more from illegals being counted in census data than high population density blue states, but based on how the population is dispersed it is probably closer to a wash.

It's also just plainly stupid and a really a bit racist if we're being honest to assume how a population will vote based solely on their ethnicity or immigration status, evidenced by the topic of the very thread we're typing in, lmao.

 

[Rational Poster]

Still don't get the legal vs illegal like most demorats .

I understand everything better than you, by a lot.

 

[Hog-train]

Normalizing the way census data is collected to the way it has always been collected since we started collecting it isn't politicization. This isn't a both sides thing, very dishonest to try and paint it that way. But you know, your initial framing was dishonest so not really a surprise you would continue.

Notice you completely ignored the context of Biden's executive orders that allowed millions through the border.

The executive order changing the way Census figures for house seats is tabulated in conjunction with several executive orders allowing for millions of new people into the country is highly suspect.

Do I know his motive for a fact? Of course not - I don't read minds. But it's a logical and educated inference based on Biden's actions.

The very idea that one party or the other greatly benefits from non-citizens beings counted in the census is retarded and reveals an ignorance in the scale of elections, how house seats are allocated and won, and how individuals vote election to election.

But it does benefit them. The vast majority of the illegal migrants are going toward staunchly blue cities. That's a direct benefit.

It's also just plainly stupid and a really a bit racist if we're being honest to assume how a population will vote based solely on their ethnicity or immigration status, evidenced by the topic of the very thread we're typing in, lmao.

We're not talking about how they're going to vote. They can't vote - they're illegal.

We're talking about the number of House seats an area gets - more illegal immigrants in an area bolsters the number of seats.

 

[Witchhunt]

Just another miscalculation

 

[avenue94]

LOL acting like Democrats do not play politics just as much as Republicans. Reality: both sides are constantly jockeying for power and use gerrymandering and everything else to win political power.

Executive Order 13986, signed by President Biden on January 20, 2021, ensures that undocumented immigrants are included in the count for the purpose of reapportioning seats in the House of Representatives.

"Executive Order 13986 requires non-citizens to be counted in the 2020 census, both for the purposes of enumeration and determining congressional apportionment."

Joe Biden officially came into office as the 46th President of the United States on January 20, 2021. So he signed this executive order on DAY ONE.

I have no idea why someone who gullible insists on doubling down on being wrong. The US has always counted undocumented immigrants and other non-citizens, since the first census.

Case in point, here's the pertinent part of the constitution: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Are you unclear on what "person" means, as well as unclear that person and citizen are in fact spelled differently?

 

[avenue94]

Nope. You're too dumb to understand.

The Democrats have more members in Congress, because they get to count the illegals in the census for their areas.

How many extra seats have illegal immigrants netted Democrats? You seem unaware that areas with higher illegal populations (cough cough agriculture) tend to lean right.

 

[cincymma79]

Remember when that was one of the GOP main messages throughout the elections…

Guess they were wrong on that one too.

For your fucking stupid opinion to hold that would mean a bunch of illegals voted

 

[oldshadow]

I understand everything better than you, by a lot.

Plenty of conservative support legal immigration.

 

[Hog-train]

I have no idea why someone who gullible insists on doubling down on being wrong. The US has always counted undocumented immigrants and other non-citizens, since the first census.

Case in point, here's the pertinent part of the constitution: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Are you unclear on what "person" means, as well as unclear that person and citizen are in fact spelled differently?

This was reversed via Executive Order 13880.

Then Biden came along and in his first day of office did Executive Order 13986.

 

[HereticBD]

Plenty of conservative support legal immigration.

And illegal, depending on the purpose...

ASLS - All Sides Love Slavery

 

[oldshadow]

I have no idea why someone who gullible insists on doubling down on being wrong. The US has always counted undocumented immigrants and other non-citizens, since the first census.

Case in point, here's the pertinent part of the constitution: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Are you unclear on what "person" means, as well as unclear that person and citizen are in fact spelled differently?

So with that in mind if the democrats have more people in an area that is blue then they get more repersentives. So ileagls get them more seats.

 

[oldshadow]

And illegal, depending on the purpose...

ASLS - All Sides Love Slavery

Isn't Trump then freeing the slaves by raiding the business that have illegals.

 

[avenue94]

This was reversed via Executive Order 13880.

Then Biden came along and in his first day of office did Executive Order 13986.

Yes, because Trump deviated from the norm and violated the Constitution. Again, there is no debate on this matter: The Constitution calls for all residents of the US to be counted, regardless of legal status or voting rights.

Are you disputing that apportioning members of Congress by counting only citizens is unconstitutional?

So with that in mind if the democrats have more people in an area that is blue then they get more repersentives. So ileagls get them more seats.

No, having a higher population allows a state to apportion and redraw districts. There's no guarantee that those districts will be blue. In California, in fact, redistricting in California is handled by a non-partisan commission that significantly reduces gerrymandering, so since then we've seen higher turnover and more competitive elections (primaries are also open in the first place).

To illustrate how childish your reasoning here is: Texas has almost as many illegal immigrants as California, and Florida is number 3. Both have used gerrymandering to heavily tilt their districts and legislators toward the GOP. The GOP has gained significantly more there than the Democrats have in California in recent re-apportionment and redistricting.

 

[Rational Poster]

Notice you completely ignored the context of Biden's executive orders that allowed millions through the border.

The executive order changing the way Census figures for house seats is tabulated IN CONJUNCTION with several executive orders allowing for millions of new people into the country is highly suspect.

Do I know his motive for a fact? Of course not - I don't read minds. But it's a logical and educated inference based on Biden's actions.




But it does benefit them. The vast majority of the illegal migrants are going toward staunchly blue cities. That's a direct benefit.



We're not talking about how they're going to vote. They can't vote - they're illegal.

We're talking about the number of House seats an area gets and more illegal immigrants in an area bolsters the number of seats.

There is nothing logical about this post or your reasoning, this is all just plainly internet brained bullshit. Assumptions based on assumptions based on ignorance.

You also ignored this part of my post for some reason, probably because I explain how I think no one in particular benefits from illegals being counted in the census.

"In reality if I really looked into it, I'm sure low population red states benefit slightly more from illegals being counted in census data than high population density blue states, but based on how the population is dispersed it is probably closer to a wash."

The other thing you're omitting is the census already took place in 2020 after Trump politicized the issue. The next census is in 2030. But in reality, you probably just don't know that the census is only once every ten years.

You're also pretty much ignoring the other point that the illegal population is spread out pretty evenly, with concentrations near where they enter.

And you're also ignoring the reality of how the populations are dispersed across the states, even if in your fantasy scenario you have all the illegals in a state living in exactly one area, most states wouldn't even gain a single seat. You could do the reverse and remove all the illegals from a state, and it also wouldn't alter the number of seats assigned.

 

[oldshadow]

Yes, because Trump deviated from the norm and violated the Constitution. Again, there is no debate on this matter: The Constitution calls for all residents of the US to be counted, regardless of legal status or voting rights.

Are you disputing that apportioning members of Congress by counting only citizens is unconstitutional?

No, having a higher population allows a state to apportion and redraw districts. There's no guarantee that those districts will be blue. In California, in fact, redistricting in California is handled by a non-partisan commission that significantly reduces gerrymandering, so since then we've seen higher turnover and more competitive elections (primaries are also open in the first place).

To illustrate how childish your reasoning here is: Texas has almost as many illegal immigrants as California, and Florida is number 3. Both have used gerrymandering to heavily tilt their districts and legislators toward the GOP. The GOP has gained significantly more there than the Democrats have in California in recent re-apportionment and redistricting.

Then why are red areas not sanctuary areas.