Television If Punisher and Batman were to trade places for a month, Batman would have a crisis

Punisher not killing Spider Mans guys like Green Goblin etc is such bullshit. He should murder them all.

He might get killed in Gotham by clayface tho
 
Think about it. Punisher works out of New York City, a very big important place in the Marvel Universe where many heroes, superhero teams, and villains reside and operate. It has been the epicenter of many wars and invasions. Punisher sticks to the street level due to his personal war, doesn't get involved with the bigger stuff unless asked- he stays in his lane so to speak.

Batman works out of Gotham where pretty much all incidents are at the street level. He is on an endless crusade to clean up the city, with limited success.

Put Batman in NYC for a month and at best he'd help in taking guys like Kingpin down. He might team up with Avengers or Fantastic Four if needed, but he isn't gonna do a damn thing to help clean up the city in a month alone- way too much going on in NYC.

Put Punisher in Gotham for a month and he'll murder the Joker, Penguin, Black Mask, Hush, Two Face, Riddler, Bane, etc. in a matter of days. He'll let himself get caught and put into Arkham Asylum, and he'll continue his mission to take out whoever is in there.

Put both men back in their homes after a month, Punisher will feel some sense of relief because he at least managed to clean one city up. He'll be inspired to take his war to the next level.

Batman however, will come back to a clean Gotham city. He will have become obsolete and he will fall into an existential crisis.

The best he could do is head over to Bludhaven and clean up after Nightwing.

@toasty need your input here

LOL no. First of all this is all subjective stuff so don't around talking like you know shit.

If we go the comic route, they already had a crossover so we can refer to what happened there. And if you really want to use Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe as a reference then it just means Marvel's heroes and villains are all cans that can be taken out by someone like Punisher. That whole "kills the universe" thing is a gimmick (Deadpool did it too), and characters' powers are WHATEVER THE WRITER WANTS them to be.

Squirrel Girl defeated Dr. Doom and Thanos. Squirrel Girl is goat.
 
LOL no. First of all this is all subjective stuff so don't around talking like you know shit.

If we go the comic route, they already had a crossover so we can refer to what happened there. And if you really want to use Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe as a reference then it just means Marvel's heroes and villains are all cans that can be taken out by someone like Punisher. That whole "kills the universe" thing is a gimmick (Deadpool did it too), and characters' powers are WHATEVER THE WRITER WANTS them to be.

Squirrel Girl defeated Dr. Doom and Thanos. Squirrel Girl is goat.
So you're complaining about a scenario I created.. then you go on to detail how writers and creators decide just how powerful the heroes they are writing for are?

{<huh}
 
If Punisher kills criminals, then how come there are so many criminals left in his city?

Ok but my question then is, why doesn't he just do that in NYC? And if he does, why doesn't it work (to permanently clean up crime)?
These questions were answered in the OP and a follow up post I made.

And below..
Punisher sticks to the street level stuff because it's what he can handle.
 
You underestimate The Joker. Hell have that CAN cop laughing his gas on the first encounter. No way punisher even gets close to taking out Bane too.
Punisher would have joker dead pretty quick. Joker is used to fighting people and toying with people who won't kill and isn't ready for the sort of directness Frank Castle utilizes. Frank would just blow his head off the first chance he gets
 
Punisher would have joker dead pretty quick. Joker is used to fighting people and toying with people who won't kill and isn't ready for the sort of directness Frank Castle utilizes. Frank would just blow his head off the first chance he gets
Yea joker isnt used to killings . Yawn.
The Batman who laughs (destroys entire universes)> CoP CAn..
 
This guy gets it.
@Thrawn33 is an angel on wheels for sticking up for me, and trying to convince the big boss to get my gif part of the Sherdog database.

He made a great counterpoint and the big boss just pulled the "im in charge here" card lol.
@jeff7b9 actually started the rally.

Thank you sirs, I truly appreciate you guys trying for me.

Much respect guys
 
Some of Batman's enemies are pretty high level for the punisher. Batman fights dudes who are immortal and use magic n shit.

Batman's intellect is much higher than Frank's as well. It would be a fun crossover because I think Frank would struggle, which actually makes it more interesting.

The Punisher isn't just fighting some schlubby mob bosses, he fights superhumans just the same as Batman.

I think once The Punisher starts to off Gotham's villains they panic and will try to gang up, but some of them will use that as an opportunity to throw their rival criminals under the bus.
 
LOL no. First of all this is all subjective stuff so don't around talking like you know shit.

If we go the comic route, they already had a crossover so we can refer to what happened there. And if you really want to use Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe as a reference then it just means Marvel's heroes and villains are all cans that can be taken out by someone like Punisher. That whole "kills the universe" thing is a gimmick (Deadpool did it too), and characters' powers are WHATEVER THE WRITER WANTS them to be.

Squirrel Girl defeated Dr. Doom and Thanos. Squirrel Girl is goat.

If Motivated Squirrel Girl ever fought Batman With Prep Time, the entire Multiverse would be destroyed in the crossfire of their awesomeness. :)
 
Ok but my question then is, why doesn't he just do that in NYC? And if he does, why doesn't it work (to permanently clean up crime)?

In the more grounded Punisher stories, it's mentioned by supporting characters that Frank's entire bodycount over 30 years amounts to less than 1% OF 1% of all violent criminals in the US alone. In Slavers, Garth Ennis' Punisher Magnum Opus, Frank himself admits that he cannot stop sex trafficking,

"Anymore than I could stop the Heroin trade, or the tide coming in".

Both criminals and Super Heroes have tried to use this to convince Castle of the ultimate futility of his war on crime. What they fail to understand is that Frank knows he can never win his war. He just doesn't care. It's the fighting itself that matters.

This is the part I always like the best.

<Frank shoots a criminal in the face point blank. With an Uzi)

Recon has it's moments. Weapon prep is never dull. But this...this is it's own reward.

Because every thump of the gun-butt in my shoulder...every gleaming brass case ejected from the breech...every muzzle flare...means just one thing.


That's another monster gone.

And maybe...just maybe...there will be a kid who can't find anyone to sell him poison. Or a cop who'll go home in one piece at the end of his shift. Or a family who will make it back alive from their picnic in the park.

And that will be a good day.
 
Punisher not killing Spider Mans guys like Green Goblin etc is such bullshit. He should murder them all.

He might get killed in Gotham by clayface tho

Frank tried to kill Norman Osborn during Dark Reign. This was Osborn at the peak of his power. Not only did he have the Goblin's strength, healing factor etc, he was wearing a modified version of Iron Man's armour - the Iron Patriot - and running the Dark Avengers. Which included Venom, Ares and the freaking Sentry himself.

The Punisher was so far beneath Osborn, he didn't even bother to kill Frank personally. He sent Daken, Wolverine's son, who literally cut the Punisher to pieces.

Weight classes exist for a reason. Frank has as much chance against Superhumans as the average Wise Guy does against the Punisher.
 
is this your attempt to convince us Punisher > Batman?
I mean you're well within your right think that, even as wrong as it is.

The worst Robin (Damian) > Punisher.
Stephine Brown is the worst Robin, followed closely by Tim Drake.
 
Frank tried to kill Norman Osborn during Dark Reign. This was Osborn at the peak of his power. Not only did he have the Goblin's strength, healing factor etc, he was wearing a modified version of Iron Man's armour - the Iron Patriot - and running the Dark Avengers. Which included Venom, Ares and the freaking Sentry himself.

The Punisher was so far beneath Osborn, he didn't even bother to kill Frank personally. He sent Daken, Wolverine's son, who literally cut the Punisher to pieces.

Weight classes exist for a reason. Frank has as much chance against Superhumans as the average Wise Guy does against the Punisher.

That was Goblin at his very best, and im not saying he should be attacking him in the open. For most of these guys having a brawl in public would be no good, but if he took his time, found the right weapon, and waited for a few days to snipe them he could kill them.
 
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Frank tried to kill Norman Osborn during Dark Reign. This was Osborn at the peak of his power. Not only did he have the Goblin's strength, healing factor etc, he was wearing a modified version of Iron Man's armour - the Iron Patriot - and running the Dark Avengers. Which included Venom, Ares and the freaking Sentry himself.

The Punisher was so far beneath Osborn, he didn't even bother to kill Frank personally. He sent Daken, Wolverine's son, who literally cut the Punisher to pieces.

Weight classes exist for a reason. Frank has as much chance against Superhumans as the average Wise Guy does against the Punisher.
Depends who is writing it.

Punisher has single handedly taken out wolverine. Didn't kill him. But parked a steamroller on him to give him the days needed to hide his scent lol

Most of batman's traditional foes are well within Frank's ability to handle. They are all lightweights if suddenly transported to the marvel universe
 
That was Goblin at his very best attacking him in the open. For most of these guys having a brawl in public would be no good, but if he took his time, found the right weapon, and waited for a few days to snipe them he could kill them.

Osborn has a Healing Factor that allows him to recover from injuries that would kill a normal man instantly. Norman's reflexes are also on a par with Spider-Man's. And Spidey has been shown to dodge bullets.
 
Depends who is writing it.

Punisher has single handedly taken out wolverine. Didn't kill him. But parked a steamroller on him to give him the days needed to hide his scent lol

Most of batman's traditional foes are well within Frank's ability to handle. They are all lightweights if suddenly transported to the marvel universe

Yeah, I remember that one. Of course, it was written by Garth Ennis, who loaths Wolverine and always writes him as a complete tool. :)

This even carried over to The Boys, where the expy of Wolverine was called Ground Hawk: his hands had been replaces with hammers and he could only say, "Gonna! Gonna!"
 
You underestimate The Joker. Hell have that CAN cop laughing his gas on the first encounter. No way punisher even gets close to taking out Bane too.
Nah

Punisher would brutally murder that bozo


Every day..for a summer..
 
Yeah, I remember that one. Of course, it was written by Garth Ennis, who loaths Wolverine and always writes him as a complete tool. :)

This even carried over to The Boys, where the expy of Wolverine was called Ground Hawk: his hands had been replaces with hammers and he could only say, "Gonna! Gonna!"
That's funny. I don't hate Wolverine but I do find it annoying he's like, everywhere, on every superhero team. The X-men have a lot of interesting characters with interesting powers- I feel like they spend way too much time on Wolverine- particularly in the movies.
 
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