If Poirier actually beats McGregor, where do you rank him as an all time LW..?

He doesn’t need Conor on his resume to be considered a Top 5 great LW. IMO the Holloway win was more impressive.

Inb4 “Holloway’s a FW....”, shut up basically the entire current top 5 are past FW’s. He beat Holloway when he was peaking.
I think a fare point is, Conor beat both him and max.
 
You’re trying hard to derail this conversation because you lost an argument.

I proved to you that there is more than 1000 pro LWs in US alone. Which means that are probably at least 10 000 pro LWs in the world. And probably at least the same amount of active amateurs. In early 2000’s there was couple of hundred pro LWs in the world at best. That means Gomi’s competition come from a very limited talent pool and it’s pointless to count those wins as real top10 opponents.

Also Gomi wasn’t out of prime when he fought in UFC. He wasn’t just good enough
Tbh I don’t have a stake in this but all you have done is highlight your extreme level of immaturity in this dialogue. Seriously when you argue like this log out and look in the mirror.

- You make a claim that tapology numbers are legit.
- he counters providing EVIDENCE suggesting a weakness in the listings which will literally lead to inflated numbers.
- now instead of having a malleable view that you adapt based on evidence presented you are arguing with your mind made up and to defend a viewpoint. A mature person would say “hmm good catch man. If they really have fighters included in their active fighters listing who were active a very long time ago that would inflate the number of active fighters they have listed. Can’t argue with common sense. I suppose the question remains whether that’s an isolated incident with the fighter you highlighted or a systematic one which would mean inflated numbers?”

instead you respond to literal evidence by calling him “little man” or something like that. Ask yourself why one should be this way. It’s not honest and doesn’t lead to anything good.
 
I'm not derailing, I simply picked apart the basis of your argument.


Tapology doesn't update their rankings for several years (Lesnar is still ranked, for instance) which means those "1000 pro LWs" is nothing more than the result of inflation; and Tapology's primary rankings only have 200-something Lightweights listed, but you don't want to talk about that :D.


And this is nothing more than an assumption and leap in logic based on faulty data.


Another assumption and leap in logic based on faulty data.


Based on what data? If FightMatrix removed inactive fighters from their rankings at the same pace as Tapology, their numbers would be inflated just as badly <Lmaoo>.


Except Gomi's competition defeated fighters who were relevant as late as 2015, and you conveniently ignored that point because it debunks the narrative you're trying to perpetuate.


Yeah, because 12 years of fighting, 12 years of training camps, and 37 professional fights means nothing in determining Gomi's prime because him being 31 years old is the only factor anyone should consider.

You know who else fell off in their late 20's or early 30's?

Dominick Cruz
Renan Barao
Cody Garbrandt
Jose Aldo
Chad Mendes
B.J. Penn
Frankie Edgar
Urijah Faber
Benson Henderson
Anthony Pettis
Rafael dos Anjos
Eddie Alvarez
Jon Fitch
Jake Shields
Carlos Condit
Johny Hendricks
Rory MacDonald

I could keep going, but like I said before, there's a mountain of evidence where plenty of fighters in their early 30's fell off.

Then there's the data for the 9 year rule, where most fighters noticeably decline after their 9th year in MMA regardless of age:

Fighters’ Winning Percentage Against Quality Opponents
  • Year 1: 41.6%
  • Year 2: 51.9%
  • Year 3: 58.8%
  • Year 4: 64.0%
  • Year 5: 54.4%
  • Year 6: 52.8%
  • Year 7: 62.1%
  • Year 8: 56.4%
  • Year 9: 57.6%
  • Year 10: 47.3%
  • Year 11: 52.1%
  • Year 12: 46.7%
  • Year 13: 40.0%
https://www.fightopinion.com/2011/06/19/9-year-rule-mma-ufc/
Now you revert to straight up lying.

I presented the data for 1166 pro LWs in US. Everyone of them had fought in 2019-2020. The data isn’t faulty or inflated. I dare you to go through all of check that data. While you’re at it check 1504 pro LWs in Russia as well. Show me that the data is faulty.

9 year rule is made up concept and it isn’t supported by stats today unless you think all of top fighters today are way past their primes.

Khabib- 12 years competing in MMA
Poirier- 13 years
Gaethje- 9 years
Oliviera- 13 years
Tony- 13 years
Hooker- 12 years
RDA- 16 years
Felder- 11 years
Ferreira- 10 years
Dariush- 11 years

Cody, Aldo, Cruz, RDA and almost everyone you listed lost while in their primes and some of them still are.
 
Tbh I don’t have a stake in this but all you have done is highlight your extreme level of immaturity in this dialogue. Seriously when you argue like this log out and look in the mirror.

- You make a claim that tapology numbers are legit.
- he counters providing EVIDENCE suggesting a weakness in the listings which will literally lead to inflated numbers.
- now instead of having a malleable view that you adapt based on evidence presented you are arguing with your mind made up and to defend a viewpoint. A mature person would say “hmm good catch man. If they really have fighters included in their active fighters listing who were active a very long time ago that would inflate the number of active fighters they have listed. Can’t argue with common sense. I suppose the question remains whether that’s an isolated incident with the fighter you highlighted or a systematic one which would mean inflated numbers?”

instead you respond to literal evidence by calling him “little man” or something like that. Ask yourself why one should be this way. It’s not honest and doesn’t lead to anything good.
If you want to join the conversation, check the facts first. Otherwise you’re just repeating false statements and that is the reason I got angry with him.

To clear this up:

- my argument is that there are approx 10k pro LWs in the world right now. As an evidence for that I used Tapology US pro LW rankings with 1165 fighters listed. To support my claim I added a lot of random screenshots of the rankings showing it only lists active fighters who fought in 2019-2020. Go check it out and tell me if that’s false. I checked all 1165 fighters, every one of them fought in 2019-2020. There are1,5k pro LWs in Russia as well you can check that one too

- @acannxr counter argument is that Tapology has inflated rankings by showing one inactive fighter still in the rankings. That doesn’t prove the rankings are inflated. He’s intentionally muddying the water.

Please, don’t be so ignorant next time! It’s a very disturbing and dangerous trend that people repeat false statements without fact checking them!
 
Top 5.

If he beats a couple other ppl (including a trilogy with Conor) he could solidly be the number 2 LW of all time. Though unlikely, I'd like to see him run it back with MJ again. Him vs RDA would be great too.
 
If you want to join the conversation, check the facts first. Otherwise you’re just repeating false statements and that is the reason I got angry with him.

To clear this up:

- my argument is that there are approx 10k pro LWs in the world right now. As an evidence for that I used Tapology US pro LW rankings with 1165 fighters listed. To support my claim I added a lot of random screenshots of the rankings showing it only lists active fighters who fought in 2019-2020. Go check it out and tell me if that’s false. I checked all 1165 fighters, every one of them fought in 2019-2020. There are1,5k pro LWs in Russia as well you can check that one too

- @acannxr counter argument is that Tapology has inflated rankings by showing one inactive fighter still in the rankings. That doesn’t prove the rankings are inflated. He’s intentionally muddying the water.

Please, don’t be so ignorant next time! It’s a very disturbing and dangerous trend that people repeat false statements without fact checking them!
Yea I got it the first time and stand by my response. The difference is instead of bringing this up earlier you resorted right to the personal attacks. A mature person’s arguments are malleable. Your few screenshots aren’t indicative of systematic accuracy with one exception and his one exception isn’t evident of systematic inflation. There is no “fact” at this point aside from conjecture.

A mature person would respond by admitting they did not know of such an example and ponder on whether it’s a systematic issue in which case it would mean inflated rankings or an isolated one in which case it wouldn’t be an issue but would beg the question of what led to the error, not resort to taking personal shots at the guy. You coulda just asked him if there’s more examples he can find. A few screenshots don’t prove the inverse either. Not sure why people get to this level over random fighters who don’t know their name anyway.
 
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Yea I got it the first time and stand by my response. The difference is instead of bringing this up earlier you resorted right to the personal attacks. A mature person’s arguments are malleable. Your few screenshots aren’t indicative of systematic accuracy with one exception and his one exception isn’t evident of systematic inflation. There is no “fact” at this point aside from conjecture.

A mature person would respond by admitting they did not know of such an example and ponder on whether it’s a systematic issue in which case it would mean inflated rankings or an isolated one in which case it wouldn’t be an issue but would beg the question of what led to the error, not resort to taking personal shots at the guy. You coulda just asked him if there’s more examples he can find. A few screenshots don’t prove the inverse either. Not sure why people get to this level over random fighters who don’t know their name anyway.
Can’t you read? I said I checked all 1165 fighters. Do I need to post 1165 screenshots to make it a fact to you?

I don’t have to reconsider my position, because what he wrote is false and doesn’t change anything

You seem like a very polite person and I respect that, but the fact I wasn’t in some of my posts, doesn’t mean what I stated is incorrect.
 
Lol, what a dumb way to rank fighters

Level of competition matters more than racking up top 10 wins in a weak division.

Also ignores context of wins, like Khabib destroying guys vs Benson's controversial split decisions.
Also ignores losses and context of losses
 
Number of top ten wins at Lightweight (based on FightMatrix)

1. Gomi (8)
2. Henderson (7)
3. Alvarez (7)
4. Penn (7)
5. Aoki (7)
6. Nurmagomedov (6)
7. dos Anjos (4)
8. Edgar (4)
9. Ferguson (4)
10. Poirier (4)

So if Poirier wins, I could see moving him from #10 to #7.
Aoki and Alvarez are criminally underrated as LW GOATs.
 
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