You say basketball pays a lot more than football and that football players have CTE for whatever reason, but I'm the one trolling?
You clearly have no argument to speak of. A fuckin asthma inhaler in between rounds, A-level-athletes my ass.
If NFL is A level athleticism
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You say basketball pays a lot more than football and that football players have CTE for whatever reason, but I'm the one trolling?
You clearly have no argument to speak of. A fuckin asthma inhaler in between rounds, A-level-athletes my ass.
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Jesus Fucking Christ, enough A-Level talk already. Fuck.
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Apparently, this may be a thing:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45110282
https://www.scmp.com/sport/football...damages-nerve-cells-brain-according-new-study
Heading the soccer/football that's going at decent speed creates quite an impact for sure.
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I already did the math for you mate. Its 3.05m - 22cm for the soccerball. Thats still 2.87m. Minus Ronaldos height, which is 1.87 m, thats exactly 1m =40inches. Even if we consideren the grossbar you would at max take half the 6inch diameter, but most of the times, the 10 feet is from the ground to the bottom of the crossbar. So you dont consider the crossbar. So if we dont consider the crossbar, Ronaldo jumped 40 inches, if we consider half the crossbar he jumped 35 inches, and if we consider it fully (which is wrong) he would jump 32 inches as you v said. But again this is ONLY, if we assume he only scratched the buttom of the ball. Which he didnt. He made solid contact. So you would have to add another 2-3 inches on top of that.
See?
The 10 Feet is from the ground to the lowest point of the crossbar. And from the lowest point of the crossbar to the highest point of the Fieldgoal you meassure the 20 feet of height, totalling up to 30 feet overall.
So you dont have to subtract anything from the 10 feet apart from the ball.
You dont have to substract any string aswell, cause as you can clearly see in the pic, the ball is touching the bar.
See? If we are being honest we would have to subtract at max 2/3s of the ball, since he is almost touching the ball at the centre.
So in conclusion as it stand its the full 3.05m=10feet (you dont subtract anything from the bar) - 2/3rds of the ball since Ronaldo is making solid contact. So thats 14.5 cm=5,5 inches. Thats about 2.9m Which makes this jump higher than 40 inches.
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So as not to have a massive wall of text, I'll break up my responses.
You chose the speed taken from games because it was the fastest speed you could find, which is fine. But there is data on fast Soccer Players running and have their speed actually measured in real time.
For example, this is Christiano Ronaldo's running a 25 meters (or 27.3 yards) in 3.61 seconds. Decent, but not that fast compared to the 40 times in the NFL. Ronaldo had about 13 yards to go an he already eclipsed 3.61 seconds under a 30 yard sprint. He would have probably finished between 4.5-.4.7 range in terms of the the 40 yard dash. Ronaldo is one of the fastest soccer players in the world.
If you want to go with the fastest soccer player Gareth Bale, the highest speed Gareth Bale has hit was 22.9 mph. That is very fast. But again, we have players who have hit higher speeds. Tyreek Hill has hit 23.24 mph on a kickoff return in full pads/helmet avoiding defenders. Just as Gareth would have hit higher speeds without dribbling, Tyreek would have hit higher speeds without helmet/pads and a football. But the thing is Gareth Bale is the fastest soccer player, But Tyreek Hill isn't even the fastest Football player. Tyreek ran 4.25. Chris Johnson ran a 4.24. John Ross ran a 4.22. Bo Jackson ran a 4.13. Jakeem Grant ran a 4.10 in college. Darell Green ran a 4.09 in training camp.
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Ronaldo is one of the fastest Footballplayers ever at top speed. He never was one of the fastest at accelerating. Just look at his technique with his arms wiggling like crazy. Thats just shitty technqiue, if he was an NFL-athlete that had to go though a combine draft or whatever they do, he would have had proper technque. Hell you can even safe so much time with the correct technqiue at the start. Its not comparable.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/footba...d/news-story/acfa6c1a95b5f3cdca29ee2eb1b018a1
Kylian Mbappe ran 23.6 mph in one of his recent games.
vs 22 mph for the fastest NFL players.
https://www.eurosport.com/football/...-worlds-fastest-player_sto4660004/story.shtml
Gareth Bale 22.9 mph
https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/ar...-to-score-hollands-fifth-against-spain-438258
Arjen Robben at 23 mph
AND ROBBEN RAN THAT FAST AFTER 79 MINUTES OF RUNNING
So if you would ask him to go as fast as he can while being fresh, he could go much faster.
https://www.sportbible.com/football...38-kmh-and-is-now-the-fastest-player-20190824
Bruno Henrique ran 23.6 mph just like Mbappe
And those guys are playing 90 minutes, running 10km each game. Not just 10 sec every 5 minutes!!!! If they trained at sprinting, they would beat all NFL players with ease. As they are on par with them already.
According to google Tyreek Hill is the fastest NFL player at 22.6 mph
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I already did the math for you mate. Its 3.05m - 22cm for the soccerball. Thats still 2.87m. Minus Ronaldos height, which is 1.87 m, thats exactly 1m =40inches. Even if we consideren the grossbar you would at max take half the 6inch diameter, but most of the times, the 10 feet is from the ground to the bottom of the crossbar. So you dont consider the crossbar. So if we dont consider the crossbar, Ronaldo jumped 40 inches, if we consider half the crossbar he jumped 35 inches, and if we consider it fully (which is wrong) he would jump 32 inches as you v said. But again this is ONLY, if we assume he only scratched the buttom of the ball. Which he didnt. He made solid contact. So you would have to add another 2-3 inches on top of that.
See?
The 10 Feet is from the ground to the lowest point of the crossbar. And from the lowest point of the crossbar to the highest point of the Fieldgoal you meassure the 20 feet of height, totalling up to 30 feet overall.
So you dont have to subtract anything from the 10 feet apart from the ball.
You dont have to substract any string aswell, cause as you can clearly see in the pic, the ball is touching the bar.
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See? If we are being honest we would have to subtract at max 2/3s of the ball, since he is almost touching the ball at the centre.
So in conclusion as it stand its the full 3.05m=10feet (you dont subtract anything from the bar) - 2/3rds of the ball since Ronaldo is making solid contact. So thats 14.5 cm=5,5 inches. Thats about 2.9m Which makes this jump higher than 40 inches.
You are factually incorrect. We don't measure the goal post to the bottom of the bar, ever. Field goals have to go over the top of the crossbar, not the bottom. When do we ever measure to the bottom of anything? Do you measure your height at your chin too? You are reaching soo hard right now, it is embarrassing. The height to the top of a Field goal crossbar is 10 feet and that is how it is measured every time in the sport of inches. Here are actual dimensions, for both the height of the crossbar and the width of the bar. Check the link for more detailed dimensions. Or check NFL.com for more information.
https://www.dimensions.guide/element/field-goal-post
By the way, your math is off again. 3.05 meters minus 22 centimeters is not 2.87 meters. Go work on your math. It is 2.83 meters. & since you now know that the Crossbar is measured to the top, the 6 inches have to be considered.
I'll give you an inch for height even though we have to round it down. I'll give you 2 inches pretend he didn't touch the bottom of the ball. & I won't subtract any inches for the string space between the ball and the crossbar. & still only adds up to a 35 inch vertical with a running start. Meanwhile, the NFL guys were exceeding 40 inches while standing in place. Give it up, it is a losing argument. NFL guys jump higher, period.
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You are factually incorrect. We don't measure the goal post to the bottom of the bar, ever. Field goals have to go over the top of the crossbar, not the bottom. When do we ever measure to the bottom of anything? Do you measure your height at your chin too? You are reaching soo hard right now, it is embarrassing. The height to the top of a Field goal crossbar is 10 feet and that is how it is measured every time in the sport of inches. Here are actual dimensions, for both the height of the crossbar and the width of the bar. Check the link for more detailed dimensions. Or check NFL.com for more information.
https://www.dimensions.guide/element/field-goal-post
By the way, your math is off again. 3.05 meters minus 22 centimeters is not 2.87 meters. Go work on your math. It is 2.83 meters. & since you now know that the Crossbar is measured to the top, the 6 inches have to be considered.
I'll give you an inch for height even though we have to round it down. I'll give you 2 inches pretend he didn't touch the bottom of the ball. & I won't subtract any inches for the string space between the ball and the crossbar. & still only adds up to a 35 inch vertical with a running start. Meanwhile, the NFL guys were exceeding 40 inches while standing in place. Give it up, it is a losing argument. NFL guys jump higher, period.
Im not saying they dont, all im saying is that a freak like Ronaldo or some of the other gifted athletic footballplayers like Bale, Robben, Mbappe etc. would beat them at their own game if they trained at it. Without training hours in the gym for a specific athletic feat he comes close in the jumping department, and the fastest footballplayers as i have shown in the other post are even faster than the fastest NFL-Players. And thats something the NFL players should excel at. I mean there is not even an argument to be made on wether a NFL athlete would stand a chance at winning a say 5K race against a guy like Ronaldo. 0 Chance. 0. The fine motor skills of a football player also are incomparably higher than that of an american football player.
Its only pure logic that soccer/football produces the superior athletes, since the talent pool is like 20 times bigger.
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Tyreek has the fastest in game time only, which is 23.2. With helmet/pads/ball and defenders
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/galle...6-including-tyreek-hills-23-mph-sprint-012617
He doesn't have the fastest measured 40 time though. There are guys who beat him in the straight 40 yard dash. & these times are actually measured, not estimations.
See you guys are only producing play time for soccer players, which are estimations based on video footage, not actual measured time. Which is fine if that isn't available. But you find out when players' speed are actually being measured in real time, they aren't as fast as you thought. Because measured time is more accurate than an estimation. Which is why when you see Ronaldo running in this 25m dash
he falls in the 4.5-4.7 range for a 40 yard dash. Which is not that fast.
& it doesn't take very long for an athlete to reach top speed, especially a lean athlete like Ronaldo. Athletes hit top speed anywhere between 3-10 yards. Beyond that, there really is no more to gain. The rest of the distance is about maintaining that top speed and not fading. When you see guys pulling away later in the race, that has more to do with his competitors fading and or him maintaining top speed.
If Soccer players were training as sprinters, sure they would be faster. Just as if NFL players weren't power lifting, they'd be faster too. Probably even more so because they would have less muscle mass and be built for more speed. But we aren't comparing them as sprinters, we are comparing them as the athletes they are.
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As you can see in the video Ronaldos running technique is shit. If you had a trained athlete that ran his first ever 40 yard dash and he would run 4.5-4.7, thats pretty damn good, especially if the wiggled his arms like this lol. You can cut off plenty of that time with correct prep and technique alone. I dont find much on the max speed of CR in his prime but the meassured speed of the top soccerplayers was faster than the measured speed of the american footballplayers fastest guy. I dont know how they measure it, but im pretty sure its accurate. They cant be off by much at least. And while the NFL player carries a helm and all that, the soccer player is running with a ball, in a sport where most likely he had already covered quite some distance during the game. For example as i ve already stated. Robben ran his 23 mph after over 70 minutes of playing in an intensive match. He most likely had covered like 5 miles already. No person on this planet could get to their absolut peak speed after such a match, and still he ran hat quick. So i have no doubt that the fastest soccerplayers are as fast if not faster than the fastest NFL player, have much much much more stamina, and on average wont jump as heigh even tho they dont train this athletic skill at all. Why should NFL players be more athletic. It just doesnt make much sense to me. They have a much smaller talent pool, and their sport only covers a very small part of athletecism which is explosiveness, while stamina which is a fucking huge part of being a complete athlete is no factor at all.
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Running and jumping is something soccer players should be excelling at, not the other way around. Football players do a lot of power lifting and weight training in general. They are the ones who shouldn't be in the running/jumping conversation.
& where do you get Ronaldo came close. His standing vertical was abysmal. His stepping vertical was 30 inches. His running vertical which required a bunch of imaginary inches only rounds out to 35 inches. & NFL guys eclipse 40 inches than that standing in place. He doesn't come close at all in terms of jumping compared to NFL players.
Lemme ask you something, can you tell me why the U.S. dominates women's soccer?
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Nah man its NFL players that should excel at speed and jumping. How do you train for speed and jumping apart from obviously running and jumping. You hit the weights, do squats, deadlifts, legpress, boxjumps and all the type of fast-twitch training those dudes do.
Cause first of all, they train for this stuff specifically, cause they know they will be tested. And secondly all the gymwork they put in is based on explosivness and power, and thats exaclty what a sprint or a jump is. Just look at the 100 m sprinters. They are build like tanks. Yohan Blake for example looks like your average NFL player. Little smaller yes, but im sure the training methods are quite similar.
The way soccerplayers train is actually kind of contraproduktive. Its very hard to train your stamina and stay explosive at the same time. Much harder than training for 10 sec game intervals of fast-twitch movement.
Womans soccer? To be honest i dont know much about womans soccer, but if i had to guess, it would be because the US is the biggest womansoccer nation on the planet, and they have the biggest talent pool. Why?
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That is not true. Speed, strength, explosiveness, stamina are all a very large part of Football. & it is very hard to possess these qualities when you an extremely large athlete. So For example from an earlier post.
Vernon Davis NFL Tight End
Height: 6'3
Weight: 250lbs
Squat: 685lbs
Bench: 480lbs
Deadlift: 720lbs
Standing Vertical: 42 inches
40 Yard Dash: 4.38
Football is an anaerobic sport. Meaning the sport is in intervals. But remember, Every player on the field is going full speed on each given play in American Football.
That doesn't happen in soccer. Everyone is going full speed on each play in the NFL. Soccer speed is dependent on where the ball is and your position on the field etc. Now I'm not saying Football players have better conditioning than soccer players, Soccer wins in the cardio department. But understand just because the sport is in intervals doesn't mean that the athletes who are adhering to the rules of the game are doing it because of fatigue. The games is played by downs, those are the rules of the game. A boxer isn't sitting on the stool after the first round because he is tired, its just how the sport is setup.
But sure, soccer player have better conditioning, but American Football players are better everywhere else. Football players are stronger, jump higher, run faster, are more explosive. So how are they not the better athlete?
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Brock Lesnar jumped 35 inches heigh, 10 feet long and had 4.7 sec 40 yard dash. so according to you, he is a better athlete than CR7? No way. He is bigger, and trained for these specific tested athletic feats.That is not true. Speed, strength, explosiveness, stamina are all a very large part of Football. & it is very hard to possess these qualities when you an extremely large athlete. So For example from an earlier post.
Vernon Davis NFL Tight End
Height: 6'3
Weight: 250lbs
Squat: 685lbs
Bench: 480lbs
Deadlift: 720lbs
Standing Vertical: 42 inches
40 Yard Dash: 4.38
Football is an anaerobic sport. Meaning the sport is in intervals. But remember, Every player on the field is going full speed on each given play in American Football.
That doesn't happen in soccer. Everyone is going full speed on each play in the NFL. Soccer speed is dependent on where the ball is and your position on the field etc. Now I'm not saying Football players have better conditioning than soccer players, Soccer wins in the cardio department. But understand just because the sport is in intervals doesn't mean that the athletes who are adhering to the rules of the game are doing it because of fatigue. The games is played by downs, those are the rules of the game. A boxer isn't sitting on the stool after the first round because he is tired, its just how the sport is setup.
But sure, soccer player have better conditioning, but American Football players are better everywhere else. Football players are stronger, jump higher, run faster, are more explosive. So how are they not the better athlete?
Faster? Well according to the numbers that we can compare guys like Mbappe, Bale and Robben are just as fast if not faster.
I know they dont sit down cause they are tired. But its just a fact that the sport doesnt require much stamina. And i guarantee you, that if you tested these athletes, their stamina would be poor compared to other athletes. The jumping thing, well that has a lot to do with specific training. I ve recently posted a video of a 265 lbs 5ft8 bodybuilder who jumped 39 inches vertical standing. Now bodybuilders arent athletes at all, and yet he jumped that high. But thats what happens when you train your legs with heavy weights. I have no doubt that all the good sprinters from soccer could jump as high as the NFL players if they trained the way they train. Cause its no coincidence that good sprinters make good jumpers and vice versa. Its the same muscles and fibercomposition.
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I don't know much about Brock's numbers. I know he got cut from the NFL and was offered a spot in NFL Europa at the time. But I don't know much other than that. He was able to win UFC gold, that counts for something though I suppose.
But you can be more accomplished in your sport and be less athletic. For Example, Tiger Woods is more accomplished in his sport than most athletes. Doesn't mean he is more athletic than GSP for example. But than I suppose that is depends on how you define "athletic."
What bodybuilder jump did you post? I saw one from another poster but I haven't seen one from you. Interesting. Can you show me the post you are talking about?
I'm sorry but athleticism doesn't quite work that way. Some guys can't jump as high as other guys and it isn't a matter of the guy jumping higher training harder. Ronaldo is one of the best jumpers in soccer, you're not going to get much better than that.
It’s fact. NBA pays a lot more. And soccer has more CTE. Sorry that is hard to digest.
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It's been fun chatting YB but I'm gonna take off. I'll respond to your replies another time. But if you can show me the post of the bodybuilder with the 39inch vertical you posted, I'd be interested in seeing that.
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That's the longest recorded broad jump in the history of the world
And buddy went on to do 3/4's of nothing in pro football. These athletic tests don't mean a thing if the player doesn't "get" the sport. Impressive to look at, though. REALLY impressive.
"Yup, still fast: Usain Bolt casually ties NFL 40-yard dash record"
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/summer/usain-bolt-nfl-40-yard-dash-record-1.5003922
