If NFL is A level athleticism

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Weatehrfrd vs Baroni. Book it Dana!

 

[aus101]

Yes, but it also heavily emphasizes raw size and strength due to the pauses in the action, allowing for a totally different cardio footprint and athletic model (ie, there few if any Pacific Islanders in the NBA whereas there are fucktons in the NFL due to their body types and genetics)

The A level genetics that will dominate MMA is when high level NBA-type blacks start getting into it as full natives. who somehow wandered into a bad-neighborhood gym at age 11, are 'saved from the streets due to MMA" and grow to 6'7, 245. When the UFC finally gets a Lebron, it will make Jon Jones look quaint.

The NBA selects for being tall. Isn’t your chance of being in the nba ridiculously high if you are above 7’?

Height is irrelevant in mma, with all those 6’7+ers just as likely to wilt to a punch from the stocky, 5’10, 70 inch reach Mark Hunt as any man.

 

[JosephTessaro]

On a serious note, the dude was a freak when it came to working out. I know we are on Sherdog and all, so there will be the nay sayers...but there are individuals out there that can achieve this without steroids, but it takes serious dedication and nutrition.

 

[JosephTessaro]

Weatehrfrd vs Baroni. Book it Dana!

It's fricking funny to me...a punter! a fricking punter!

 

[ramair455]

Larry Allen - The Obese NFL A-level Athlete -
All-Pro eight times, to the Pro Bowl 11 times. His physical feats: a 700-pound bench press, 43 repetitions of 225 pounds, 30-inch vertical leap, a 4.85 40-yard dash from a 340-pounder are the stuff of NFL legend

 

[aus101]

You are right. But they still get at least a 30 second rest between plays though where in rugby you literally never stop jogging

Not just jogging, in rugby a breakaway/flanker like David Pocock’s job is to run around making the most tackles and being at the most breakdowns (the pushing match over the ball when someone is tackled), with the important task of winning possession from the other team (literally ripping the ball out of the opposing teams players hands).

He has to out grapple and really manhandle opposing players for 80 mins a game, all the while standing a lean 253 at 6’. Meanwhile in mma we have people worried 5’9 170 pound Conor’s cardio is going to suffer due to him being “over muscled”.

 

[Vil7]

Once MMA rounds become 15 seconds each the NFL will dominate.

 

[Captain Herb]

Because they got bored playing the most boring sport in the world and just gave up playing?

There was a Swedish exchange student who hung out with me and my friends one year in college. He said they played American Football in Sweden. He said typically they would punt on third down. So I guess they really were bored.

 

[shoorik1987]

2) Yes if you have world class speed that makes you an A level athlete as a sprinter
3) I would say obesity and A level athleticism can be accomplished. Although rare it does happen there are some tremendous tackles that are Hall of Famers because of athleticism like Larry Allen (Cowboys)
4) No, track speed is of no use in MMA, or any other combat sport. Maybe in soccer or rugby. Ocho's problem is like any other pro baller trying to change sports. Lack of experience in said sport.

2. Fair, but what is generally discussed here is some sort of mystic A-level athleticism that NFL players possess which enables them to excel at other sports. Like Greg Hardy, was suppose to dominate MMA just because he came from NFL. Reality is, he was suffocating after one round, because he simply doesn't have the cardio. In these discussions people often bring up Lebron. What if Lebron would come to UFC. When you try to explain to them, that Lebron would probably get KTFO, people get angry.

3. I think that pure athleticism is a well rounded mixture of speed, endurance, strength (for your frame), flexibility, coordination, reflexes. To be an A level athlete from that point of view you should be in shape and not have issues with obesity or other health issues. I also don't link a persons athleticism is linked to their height or size.

4. Ochos problems was that he was lacking technical skills, I watched some videos from his play in the reserves. The guy is stiff as a board when receiving the ball (it would bounce of his feet and he had hard time maintaining control of it), also his ballcontroll (maintaining high speed while dribbling ball forward with you feet) was poor, so he lost the ball often. So yes, the guy is physically gifted, but lacking the technical skills essential to a soccer player. That is not something you can catch up on or learn as a grown up.

 

[KeyboardFighter]

There was a Swedish exchange student who hung out with me and my friends one year in college. He said they played American Football in Sweden. He said typically they would punt on third down. So I guess they really were bored.

When I think about it one thing that wouldn't be boring is if a Swedish team would meet a legit NFL team and the total carnige that would ensue. Would make American handegg enjoyable.

 

[Al Stone]

Let's take your average UFC stud that didnt play football and put him in pads on a football field. He would get embarrassed. So what is your point

 

[chuckleknuckle]

I'm right

40m is not 40 yards lol. Bolt thing was 100% publicity stunt

No, he asked for 3 million and they offered him 150k. So he got offered a pro contract. He's the fastest man on the planet. You seem to lose every argument i see you in on this forum. Are you 15?

 

[chuckleknuckle]

Source that he was paid to play in a soccer match? How much did he get? I posted two articles saying he only played in amateur friendlies, which I take to mean he wasn't paid for those games.

You can't play for a club without being paid. I even got paid for S forms when I was 16. Friendly isn't amateur, friendly means it doesn't count towards the league or Cup.

"Bolt reportedly turned down a reported $150,000 deal from the Central Coast Mariners, the same Australian A-League club that hosted his professional debut as part of a two-month trial"

 

[Blacksonville]

The NBA selects for being tall. Isn’t your chance of being in the nba ridiculously high if you are above 7’?

Height is irrelevant in mma, with all those 6’7+ers just as likely to wilt to a punch from the stocky, 5’10, 70 inch reach Mark Hunt as any man.

LOL that you don't comprehend what reach means... and what reach would mean if it were being tactically executed by a super high level NBA caliber explosive athlete who was a MMA native from age 14.... and how quaint guys like Mark Hunt will look 15 years from now, just like UFC guys 15 years ago aren't the same as the guys of today.

 

[Aaaay1hotsauce]

I'd put NBA players up there in athleticism as well.

And everyone saying "Well NFL guys go for like 15 seconds and get a break". That's a terrible argument. Kenyan runners run marathon in like 2 hours. That doesn't mean they are more athletic than a guy like Vernon Davis. There is more to athleticism than cardio.

"
Vernon Davis, Maryland, 2007
Davis showed off his freak athletic ability at the combineOpens in a new Window. with a 4.38-second 40-yard dash—absurdly impressive for for a 6’3″, 252-pound tight end—along with 33 reps on the 225 bench press and a 42″ vertical jump."

That is an A level athlete.

Agreed on athleticism. Just think the nba build could be a bit weak in the hind quarters for mma.

 

[chuckleknuckle]

NFL players get more injuries in general, more severe injuries, and are injured more often. ACL tears, muscle tears, broken bones, paralysis, brain damage, etc. All of these happen more often in American football. Look it up.

As far as conditioning goes, a lot of American Football players have track and field backgrounds, wrestling backgrounds, basketball backgrounds, etc. Just because the sport itself is an Anaerobic sport, doesn't mean the athletes conditioning is limited to it.

There is also the point that in a lot of aerobic sports, the athletes aren't going full speed. That is where the saying "it is a marathon not a race" comes from. Pacing is important in Aerobic sports. So while American Football maybe an anaerobic sport, you have to remember that they are going full speed, not pacing themselves.

Firstly, the title of the thread is about level of athleticism, which is not the same as incidence of injury. More fat kids in their back yard hurt themselves wrestling than pros.

Running for 5 seconds isn't as athletic as been hit by Jonah Lomu for 80 minutes.

Leaving that aside, which studies are you referring to? The only one I've seen was a study of 35 college rugby teams in the USA. No offence, but that's little different from the Aussie or All blacks.

 

[ramair455]

2. Fair, but what is generally discussed here is some sort of mystic A-level athleticism that NFL players possess which enables them to excel at other sports. Like Greg Hardy, was suppose to dominate MMA just because he came from NFL. Reality is, he was suffocating after one round, because he simply doesn't have the cardio. In these discussions people often bring up Lebron. What if Lebron would come to UFC. When you try to explain to them, that Lebron would probably get KTFO, people get angry.

3. I think that pure athleticism is a well rounded mixture of speed, endurance, strength (for your frame), flexibility, coordination, reflexes. To be an A level athlete from that point of view you should be in shape and not have issues with obesity or other health issues. I also don't link a persons athleticism is linked to their height or size.

4. Ochos problems was that he was lacking technical skills, I watched some videos from his play in the reserves. The guy is stiff as a board when receiving the ball (it would bounce of his feet and he had hard time maintaining control of it), also his ballcontroll (maintaining high speed while dribbling ball forward with you feet) was poor, so he lost the ball often. So yes, the guy is physically gifted, but lacking the technical skills essential to a soccer player. That is not something you can catch up on or learn as a grown up.

2. I see what your saying. NFL'ers can jump to other sports with ease. Thats a nieve statement at best. I don't think there is an any NFL player (even OBJ) that could jump to pro soccer. Its too much much of a finesse ball handling sport. And yeah if Lebron jumped to MMA with 2-3yrs training he still gets KOed by Francis Stipe and wrestle fucked by DC. Even if he had good cardio.

3) the reality is we do have obsese A level guys. DC comes to mind

4) ocho has the same problems any NFL player would have trying to crossover to soccer. Just a different skill set that has to be develop starting in your preteens.

 

[Smato_rules]

Not just jogging, in rugby a breakaway/flanker like David Pocock’s job is to run around making the most tackles and being at the most breakdowns (the pushing match over the ball when someone is tackled), with the important task of winning possession from the other team (literally ripping the ball out of the opposing teams players hands).

He has to out grapple and really manhandle opposing players for 80 mins a game, all the while standing a lean 253 at 6’. Meanwhile in mma we have people worried 5’9 170 pound Conor’s cardio is going to suffer due to him being “over muscled”.

Agreed flankers are probably the best overall athletes on the pitch outher than these new monster sizes backs that are becoming the new norm. I still think it’s pretty sick Volkanovski a prop though haha

 

[brownsmith76]

Height is irrelevant in mma, with all those 6’7+ers just as likely to wilt to a punch

Volkanovski is a former rugby player, and he became a UFC champion.

Brock Lesnar failed to get into the NFL, but he became UFC champion. That tells you just how much athleticism and size are in the NFL.

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[Larzon]

American football is cool but they are super limited as athletes. Rugby League or even Rugby Union requires much better all round athletes