If Mayweather does fight Cotto...

King Kabuki said:
1) Stick to ONE Weight Class. Are we talking about what's going on at Welterweight RIGHT THIS SECOND? Or are we talking about what went on at JLW, LW, and JWW? I'm talking about Welterweight, right this second.

2) Floyd himself is a blown up Junior Lightweight, that's where he started at. So it doesn't matter that anyone else is blown up.

3) Mosley is by definition, NOT a natural Welterweight. Stop selectively using the weight argument. Guys who started out smaller were/are smaller. Shane outgrew the LW class, but he HAD to. Cintron, Williams, and Tony never were that small, that's natural.

4) You don't understand how lineal Championships and Contenders work do you?

When you lose to another top ranked Contender, you lose your shot. That's why I called the fight between Judah and Floyd a fluke when it happened. It was a fluke, and that it was for the IBF strap made it a disgrace. Baldomir was the man, he kicked Zab's ass. Floyd doing the same thing was just a publicity stunt. But Floyd did go on to take the rightful Title from the rightful Champ and re-unify the division before moving up for the DLH fight.

In the meanwhile Shane turned down his chance to fight Floyd for the unified WW Title, so fuck Shane. To top it off he goes on and loses to Cotto. So double-fuck Shane. Tony loses to Williams, and thus makes his claims of Floyd being afraid of him look silly (I scored the fight for Tony, but that doesn't matter). Sure he roared back in killing Johnson, but who the Hell is Johnson?

Kermit has struggled with Estrada after getting killed by Tony, and sure be blasted out Matthyse, but who the Hell was he? Kermit has the least amount of claim to fight Floyd. If he beats Williams in their unification bout, he's got some ground. Then Tony should get a shot at the winner of that considering Paul is carrying around the belt that WAS his, and it was a dubious decision in the eyes of many.

So with Shane (lost), Tony (lost), and Cintron (lost) out of the way, none with significant wins over top 5 ranked opposition aside from Tony dusting Cintron, that leaves only Williams and Cotto.

Cotto has a rightful shot. He's still undefeated, and he beat Shane, the guy Floyd threw an offer at in late 2006 I believe. Williams has a reasonable claim as he beat Tony, the guy Floyd turned down $8 million to fight, but that's his MOST significant win and considering Tony isn't a name, it's not THAT significant.

Pretty cut-and-dry. Believe me dude I don't like it, but that's the truth of the matter. Cotto and Williams have claims, the rest can and should go fuck themselves, or at least beat the shit out of one of the others.
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Don
 
Hey man, YOU called ME out on this. So don't cry about how you get my responses. I'll go point-for-point with you, and I add my flavor. You don't like it, don't call me out.

I duck NO ONE. lol

That said, no, I won't admit that Floyd is DUCKING ALL the top Welterwights. For one, Mosley ducked him, not the other way around. For two Paul Williams and Tony Margarito still don't have a high profile win among the both of them aside from Paul's win over Tony. Mayweather ducked Tony? Who had Tony fought to earn a shot in the first-place? The WBO's list of mandatories doesn't flippin' cut it. He didn't beat Judah, Mosley, Baldomir, or anyone else of-note aside from the baby Cintron, who doesn't even really belong in this discussion regardless of what trinket he's got around his waist, as he's beaten NONE of the guys listed here.

So no, I won't kow-tow to your contention no matter how passionately you state it or how much venom you give me back because I just don't believe it. You should know that around the time of the Baldomir fight I contended Floyd's resume as much as anyone, and I didn't much care for his move up to fight DLH. But I firmly believe that ONLY Williams and Cotto deserve a shot at Floyd, the lineal Champion, right this second. They're the best in the division, and Floyd has NO NEED to fight any of their sloppy seconds.
 
King Kabuki said:
But I firmly believe that ONLY Williams and Cotto deserve a shot at Floyd, the lineal Champion, right this second. They're the best in the division, and Floyd has NO NEED to fight any of their sloppy seconds.
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So why is the Linear welterweight champion NOT going to fight either of his 2 top contenders then, the best in the division? Why?
 
So why is the Linear welterweight champion NOT going to fight either of his 2 top contenders then, the best in the division? Why?
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We don't know that he isn't yet. If there's anyone he's going to fight now it IS Cotto, and he knows it. My guess as to what happens is as follows:

Shane retires - he said himself he'd rather train people, and he'd be excellent at it.

Cintron/Williams hammer it out (Williams will win IMO).

Margarito/Cotto hook up, they have unfinished business, the winner of that faces the winner of Cintron/Williams.

Cotto has ribs for lunch against Williams (Mike McCallum doesn't think Cotto can win, but I do.)

Cotto bangs the War Drum for Mayweather, about a year and a half from now. Floyd pulls the Sugar Ray Leonard/Oscar De La Hoya and comes out of "retirement" for one more big one.

If anything other than that or something similar happened, I'd be surprised. Floyd taking time off doesn't bother me. If anything it gives Cotto time to become an even bigger draw. The other guys will end up being inconsequential unless Paul really proves physically impossible to beat having learned from the Margarito fight.
 
Pretty good, and how does the fight go when (and a bigger IF) Floyd eventually fights Cotto?
Let's hear you say it.
You KNOW Williams would take Floyd. :)

I'm off the mayweather threads for awhile too by the way...
 
Oh I've BEEN saying I think Paul is a nigthmare match-up stylistically for a while now. Tam and I had that discussion ages ago, he was the originator of it and I couldn't dispute his points. And when you can't beat them...

Cotto? Hard to say. I'm not sure I've ever said outright how I think it'd go. So here goes, off the top of my head:

The first couple of rounds look a lot like the Hatton fight, only with less clinching and more exchanging on the inside. Cotto will likely get hurt early, maybe even knocked down, but not out. Then Cotto goes to work over the middle rounds. Using his power-jab (from Southpaw as well) to bust against Floyd's shoulder, then lean in for the hooks to the body and head. Floyd will get nice counters, but he'll take a beating to get them. Floyd might go down just from the pressure, especially blocking Cotto's sledge-hammer punches with his arms and hands, and he WILL take a low blow or two. At which point Roger and Evangelista go at it, someone pulls a blade, they both get tossed, fight continues.

This is where it gets interesting, around round 9-10. Cotto still motoring ahead, Floyd still getting crisp counters. I don't think either gets knocked out. But as of right this moment I'd pick Floyd by narrow MD or SD.
 
King Kabuki said:
Oh I've BEEN saying I think Paul is a nigthmare match-up stylistically for a while now. Tam and I had that discussion ages ago, he was the originator of it and I couldn't dispute his points. And when you can't beat them...

Cotto? Hard to say. I'm not sure I've ever said outright how I think it'd go. So here goes, off the top of my head:

The first couple of rounds look a lot like the Hatton fight, only with less clinching and more exchanging on the inside. Cotto will likely get hurt early, maybe even knocked down, but not out. Then Cotto goes to work over the middle rounds. Using his power-jab (from Southpaw as well) to bust against Floyd's shoulder, then lean in for the hooks to the body and head. Floyd will get nice counters, but he'll take a beating to get them. Floyd might go down just from the pressure, especially blocking Cotto's sledge-hammer punches with his arms and hands, and he WILL take a low blow or two. At which point Roger and Evangelista go at it, someone pulls a blade, they both get tossed, fight continues.

This is where it gets interesting, around round 9-10. Cotto still motoring ahead, Floyd still getting crisp counters. I don't think either gets knocked out. But as of right this moment I'd pick Floyd by narrow MD or SD.
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I pretty much agree with this. I gotta say though, I see Cotto taking those late rounds, against a PBF who simply hasnt been challenged that badly in a long time. Either way, I see Cotto winning more rounds, doing more damage, and getting the decision.
And PBF taking some time off is good for Cotto, as long as he comes back. Cotto has continued to improve, and at this rate, in a year or so, I think hes gonna be the perfect opponent to put Mayweather away.
 
In a year this is a different fight. I was speaking more if the fight happened next month.
 
Shane probably should retire.
Cintron would be a live dog against Williams. Williams IMO didn't look comfortable getting hit in a couple fights, Cintron hits a hell of a lot harder than anyone he's fought. Still would favor Paul though.
Margarito-Cotto would be a hell of a fight, slight edge to Cotto but he seems to fade late in fights, and that would be big trouble against Margarito.
PBF would UD Mosley.
PBF would get inside and pick Williams apart, PBF is way too slick and Paul doesn't crack hard enough to keep PBF from doing it.
PBF would outslick Margarito easily and win a wide UD.
Cotto would give him the most trouble, but PBF would give Cotto fits, too quick with his counter on the inside and landing clean shots on Cotto outside. I see PBF fighting cautious early and pulling out to a slight lead, Cotto coming on mid to late and getting discouraged somewhat when he can't really hurt Floyd and Floyd picking him apart at the end for a UD or late TKO.:icon_chee
 
Seano said:
I think Cotto has everything necessary to beat Floyd except speed.

Damn Cotto for beating Mosley! Mosley/Floyd is what I want to see.
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This is what I wanted to see also, I predicted Mosley over Cotto, Floyd over Hatton then Mosley over Floyd. Its a shame but Cotto Floyd will suffice if it ever happens.
 
bradlee180 said:
You KNOW Williams would take Floyd. :)

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I think not. I think this KO of Hatton probably gives Floyd some confidence in his hands. Williams is a busy fighter which kind of leaves him open. I say Floyd wins by countering and occasional inside work.
 
ssx said:
Shane probably should retire.
Cintron would be a live dog against Williams. Williams IMO didn't look comfortable getting hit in a couple fights, Cintron hits a hell of a lot harder than anyone he's fought. Still would favor Paul though.
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Cintron hits harder than Margy? I dunno about that. Cintron couldn't know Feliciano down once, something that Demetrius Hopkins did and something that Mike Arnaoutis did 3 times in the first.
 
King Kabuki said:
Oh I've BEEN saying I think Paul is a nigthmare match-up stylistically for a while now. Tam and I had that discussion ages ago, he was the originator of it and I couldn't dispute his points. And when you can't beat them....
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As much as this pains me to admit...can I join ya? :redface:
 
Spider-man can shoot hundreds of fly-swatters at the Mayfly all day, and we still don't know if it's gunna matter when the Mayfly spits fire back at um.
 
MMAmouse said:
Cintron hits harder than Margy? I dunno about that. Cintron couldn't know Feliciano down once, something that Demetrius Hopkins did and something that Mike Arnaoutis did 3 times in the first.
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Believe, Telephone poles squash spider's all day.
 
GlassJaw said:
Spider-man can shoot hundreds of fly-swatters at the Mayfly all day, and we still don't know if it's gunna matter when the Mayfly spits fire back at um.
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I hope in the next few calendars we get to see Cotto take Paul to the all you can eat ribs buffet.
 
Paul's a damn giant at that weight. If Cotto does this I'll be impressed as hell. But I can't see it can you?
 
ssx said:
Shane probably should retire.
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I'd like to see Mosley do what DLH does. A big fight fom time to time.

He was competitive enough with Cotto (i scored a draw there) who is really the top competing WW. He certainly wasn't beaten down or embarrassed.
 
Fatso said:
Paul's a damn giant at that weight. If Cotto does this I'll be impressed as hell. But I can't see it can you?
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I actually think its a great fight for Cotto. Cotto will bully his way inside and remove every advantage williams has.
 
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