If Mayweather does fight Cotto...

Unfortunately only 2 of those 5 guys deserve shots.

And 1 of those other 3 guys already turned Floyd down.

Oh yeah, and Victoriana Sosa, N'Dou, Corley, and Bruseles were so far MORE deserving of shots against Floyd in other weight classes too, huh?

And blown-up NATURAL super-lightweights like Mitchell, Judah, and Hatton are also all far MORE deserving of a shot at the Welterweight title than those other 5 guys too, huh?

Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, Williams, and Cintron are LEGITIMATE 147 pounders.
Don't tell me Mosely's a blown-up lightweight; he left that class because he outgrew it being 18 pounds over the limit his last fight and Mosely couldn't do it anymore. Mosely SKIPPED 140 entirely that time, and went right to 147 where he belongs.
Cotto was killing himself to make 140, and he's much stronger and more resilient at 147 where he belongs.

When Floyd has hand-picked several opponents who were truly UNDESERVING, how can you say 3 of these current TOP 5 Welterweight fighters DON'T deserve a shot at him, Kabuki?
You're usually more on the mark, Kabuki, but I'm calling you on this one.
Explain how between Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, Williams, and Cintron, that 3 of them DON'T deserve a shot at Floyd.
 
you sound upset? hate floyd much?

mosely turned down floyd
cotto deserves a shot
margarito isn't a champ, doesn't deserve it after losing to williams
giving the title shot to paul williams

and cintron who? the guy who lost to margarito?

so now you have williams and cotto

the math is easy lol.... but then again, ur oblivious to logic, because you are straight hater to all aspects of floyd

he can beat up everyone in boxing and you'll say, he needs to call lennox lewis outta retirement and win for him to be p4p
 
Oh yeah, and Victoriana Sosa, N'Dou, Corley, and Bruseles were so far MORE deserving of shots against Floyd in other weight classes too, huh?

And blown-up NATURAL super-lightweights like Mitchell, Judah, and Hatton are also all far MORE deserving of a shot at the Welterweight title than those other 5 guys too, huh?

Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, Williams, and Cintron are LEGITIMATE 147 pounders.
Don't tell me Mosely's a blown-up lightweight; he left that class because he outgrew it being 18 pounds over the limit his last fight and Mosely couldn't do it anymore. Mosely SKIPPED 140 entirely that time, and went right to 147 where he belongs.
Cotto was killing himself to make 140, and he's much stronger and more resilient at 147 where he belongs.

When Floyd has hand-picked several opponents who were truly UNDESERVING, how can you say 3 of these current TOP 5 Welterweight fighters DON'T deserve a shot at him, Kabuki?
You're usually more on the mark, Kabuki, but I'm calling you on this one.
Explain how between Cotto, Margarito, Mosely, Williams, and Cintron, that 3 of them DON'T deserve a shot at Floyd.

1) Stick to ONE Weight Class. Are we talking about what's going on at Welterweight RIGHT THIS SECOND? Or are we talking about what went on at JLW, LW, and JWW? I'm talking about Welterweight, right this second.

2) Floyd himself is a blown up Junior Lightweight, that's where he started at. So it doesn't matter that anyone else is blown up.

3) Mosley is by definition, NOT a natural Welterweight. Stop selectively using the weight argument. Guys who started out smaller were/are smaller. Shane outgrew the LW class, but he HAD to. Cintron, Williams, and Tony never were that small, that's natural.

4) You don't understand how lineal Championships and Contenders work do you?

When you lose to another top ranked Contender, you lose your shot. That's why I called the fight between Judah and Floyd a fluke when it happened. It was a fluke, and that it was for the IBF strap made it a disgrace. Baldomir was the man, he kicked Zab's ass. Floyd doing the same thing was just a publicity stunt. But Floyd did go on to take the rightful Title from the rightful Champ and re-unify the division before moving up for the DLH fight.

In the meanwhile Shane turned down his chance to fight Floyd for the unified WW Title, so fuck Shane. To top it off he goes on and loses to Cotto. So double-fuck Shane. Tony loses to Williams, and thus makes his claims of Floyd being afraid of him look silly (I scored the fight for Tony, but that doesn't matter). Sure he roared back in killing Johnson, but who the Hell is Johnson?

Kermit has struggled with Estrada after getting killed by Tony, and sure be blasted out Matthyse, but who the Hell was he? Kermit has the least amount of claim to fight Floyd. If he beats Williams in their unification bout, he's got some ground. Then Tony should get a shot at the winner of that considering Paul is carrying around the belt that WAS his, and it was a dubious decision in the eyes of many.

So with Shane (lost), Tony (lost), and Cintron (lost) out of the way, none with significant wins over top 5 ranked opposition aside from Tony dusting Cintron, that leaves only Williams and Cotto.

Cotto has a rightful shot. He's still undefeated, and he beat Shane, the guy Floyd threw an offer at in late 2006 I believe. Williams has a reasonable claim as he beat Tony, the guy Floyd turned down $8 million to fight, but that's his MOST significant win and considering Tony isn't a name, it's not THAT significant.

Pretty cut-and-dry. Believe me dude I don't like it, but that's the truth of the matter. Cotto and Williams have claims, the rest can and should go fuck themselves, or at least beat the shit out of one of the others.
 
its funny, people have been saying

floyd has to beat hatton to be considered great.. so much so they were crying about it

now that he does, they write hatton off as some loser (which he isnt)

floyd is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't

if he beats cotto, it wont be enough, people will find flaws in cotto and write cotto off. they will find some way to hate on floyd till he fights wlad
 
Floyd obviously hasn't proven himself until he defeats Calzaghe, both Klitchkos and Pacquaio. Simultaneously.
 
Oh and may also Naito at a catch weight of 92 lbs.
 
With Greatness, comes Great scrutiny.
 
no, he wont fight pac, pac has a great shot

so much so, DLH wants to fight pac

oh ya, floyd is ducking everyone

he's preducking cotto before an offer has even been made, ducking pac, ducking a rematch with DLH, and has been ducking DLH for the past 5 years, shane mosely too (dont believe the lies, floyd never offered a fight to shane)

he's ducked hatton, but now fought him which is kinda weird, but we wont give floyd credit for it, the ringpost did most the damage.

and he lost the first fight with castillo which means he sucks.

floyd is also a huge welterweight, he dwarfed hatton by a whole 2 inches. (which is like 8 feet to boxers)

floyd left 130 early because he foresaw the future and didn't wanna fight pac or barrera.

in all, floyd sucks. game over....oh ya, and he fixes fights
 
Let's not get carried away. It's not too much to admit that the number 1 and 2 guys in a division should fight.
 
no, he wont fight pac, pac has a great shot

so much so, DLH wants to fight pac

oh ya, floyd is ducking everyone

he's preducking cotto before an offer has even been made, ducking pac, ducking a rematch with DLH, and has been ducking DLH for the past 5 years, shane mosely too (dont believe the lies, floyd never offered a fight to shane)

he's ducked hatton, but now fought him which is kinda weird, but we wont give floyd credit for it, the ringpost did most the damage.

and he lost the first fight with castillo which means he sucks.

floyd is also a huge welterweight.

Floyd obviously ducked Hatton by hooking him to the head and refusing to fight Hatton while he took an impromptu rest on the floor.
 
Floyd obviously hasn't proven himself until he defeats Calzaghe, both Klitchkos and Pacquaio. Simultaneously.

That was the funniest thing I have read on the internet all day. I understand this is a message board, and getting in useless arguments is kind of the point, but I think everyone needs to settle down on the Floyd is ducking people talk. He can only fight people one at a time, and probably only can do three or four fights a year. I don't see how anyone can fault his recent fights. I hope he fights all of those guys in the future, but realistically it will take a couple of years even if he doesn't take time off.
 
the truth is, i personally only think cotto deserves a shot at mayweather

its a big money fight, he's a star, mayweathers a star, they both have skills and its the fight that people want to see.

but i dont think arum will put an offer up ( a real one atleast).. cotto is his biggest meal ticket so why take the risk?
he'll continue to pimp margarito to mayweather.
 
You know honestly I do think Floyd is going to take a vacation and refocus on his Promotion. He sold me anyway and I believe it.
 
the truth is, i personally only think cotto deserves a shot at mayweather

its a big money fight, he's a star, mayweathers a star, they both have skills and its the fight that people want to see.

but i dont think arum will put an offer up ( a real one atleast).. cotto is his biggest meal ticket so why take the risk?
he'll continue to pimp margarito to mayweather.

I think Cotto deserves the shot, but I agree with your assessment on the reality of Arum. Sucks though, because I'd like to see Tony/Cotto. Interesting style-clash.
 
You know honestly I do think Floyd is going to take a vacation and refocus on his Promotion. He sold me anyway and I believe it.


ya right, he'll take 6 months to a year off tops




then he'll fight cotto after cotto beats margarito or williams
the money and demand will be too great

now if cotto loses to margarito or williams, floyd might stay out the fight game for awhile (i dont see margarito or wililams ever having the star/money drawing power that cotto does.
 
I think Cotto deserves the shot, but I agree with your assessment on the reality of Arum. Sucks though, because I'd like to see Tony/Cotto. Interesting style-clash.

i think cotto breaks him down after taking alot of shots and getting tired

cotto's got grit, he's shown time and time again that he can gut out a tough fight (but you already knew this lol)
 
I just thought of something. You know a lot of people gave Tony shit for turning down Cotto to fight Williams. And I admit even I was slightly perplexed, but then just now I remembered that thread I made on the differences between Fighters and Athletes, and I think Tony might have actually taken that fight because Paul was running his mouth.
 
Williams to me is the most interesting possible opponent for Floyd if for nothing else his 6'3" dimensions. And Williams can actually box. The most compelling matchup as things stand (if Floyd's vacation is to be believed) is Margarito and Cotto.

I do understand the Williams matchup on a pride level and that too is an intriguing matchup.
 
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