If Lyoto Machida wins andersons silvas belt, his 2nd does that make Machida the best?

[C0NCH3TO]

Anderson tooled Forrest who choked out Shogun, who destroyed Machida.

 

[cade187]

You guys should have just stopped at the title. TS is either trolling or stupid.

 

[wompuscatwilly]

Because he would of one a title at what is not his natural weight at 205 against Rashard Evans and then gone down to his natural weight and take out the guys who was never in trouble, never hurt, barely even hit and then knocked out twice... the so called greatest of all time in anderson silva.

Of course, im talking about Chris weidman.

Lyoto Machida wins belt at 205 where he is a chubby little shit, gets into good shape and beats the and beats the man the "greatest of all time" could not.

Brendan-Schaub

lyoto Machida> Anderson silva

Lyoto Machida will proberly win a few more contests in defense of the title after his title fight with Chris weidman also, even furthering the distance between him and Anderson silva.

SMH. Seriously what's wrong with you kids. When was Lyoto "chubby" at LHW?

 

[411dd]

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What the fuck are you talking about? If you're the #1 guy in the world, of course you're always better than the #2 guy and your wins mean more. And Machida was never even consistently the #2 guy.

The Machida huggers on here are the most ridiculous ever. If he was so good, why wasn't he ever consistently the #1-2 guy in his divisions? Fact is Machida has been consistently ranked from #3 onward for the vast majority of his prime so in no way shape or form does his career deserve to be rated so highly, especially against guys who were the #1 guy in their division for vast periods of time. He has good wins, but they mean shit if you weren't the best in the world.""""""""""


Fact is, if silva had so much trouble with Travis Luter, he could have easily lost to Tito, or Bader, or Evans, or Rampage or Couture. Bigger better wrestlers than he was facing at the time.

Face it, silva's division was weak as hell, and Lyoto's division was not only bigger but also better.

Silva may have never even been ranked top 5 in the division, that lyoto won the belt at. He would have probably been wrestlefuked to decisions or gnp finished.

 

[Yolandabecool**]

Fact is, if silva had so much trouble with Travis Luter, he could have easily lost to Tito, or Bader, or Evans, or Rampage or Couture. Bigger better wrestlers than he was facing at the time.

Face it, silva's division was weak as hell, and Lyoto's division was not only bigger but also better.

Silva may have never even been ranked top 5 in the division, that Lyoto won the belt at. He would have probably been wrestlefuked to decisions or gnp finished.

Using the hypothetical of Lutter [Who came in overweight] is the same as saying Anderson crushed Forrest & Bonnar therefore by MMA Math [Which is never good] he would have crushed every light heavyweight including Bones. The other factor is irrespective of whether he was losing for portions of the fight, he won. In the same scenario [With a TUF comeback winner] GSP lost.

LHW IMO is bigger in name not talent. It has benefited from a lack of a dominant champion [Prior to Bones] which means the title changed hands and there were many 'Former Champs'.

If you look at results; Henderson hasn't fared better @ MW, A perennial gatekeeper [Bisping] arguably defeated former LHW Champ Rashad, Two MW's in Vitor & Sonnen have had LHW championship shots not to mention if MW was easier - The LHW's who could have made the cut would have made the cut [The champ makes the $].

 

[MasterNinjaRat]

I don't care. He didn't win a belt at welterweight, he sturgglde with Carlos Newton and lost a few fights, matt hughes would of dominated him.

He beat forrest Griffin AFTER Forrest Griffin was at his best, and forrest was never really championship caliber, the only top guy he beat was Maurico rua after surgery and Quinton jackson on a robbery decision. It was a good win, but it proved fuck.... all....

Lol, just because he didnt hold the belt doesnt mean he wouldnt have won it given the chance, and he beat Mach back in the days when Mach was the real deal.
Struggled against Newton yes, but knocked him out so its does not make a point, Matt Hughes went to sleep when fighting Newton.
I agree on Forrest he had somewhat padded run at the championship but who else does stuff like that to him...right, no one, so if you want to hate please do but dont make yorself look stupid doing it.

 

[411dd]

Using the hypothetical of Lutter [Who came in overweight] is the same as saying Anderson crushed Forrest & Bonnar therefore by MMA Math [Which is never good] he would have crushed every light heavyweight including Bones. The other factor is irrespective of whether he was losing for portions of the fight, he won. In the same scenario [With a TUF comeback winner] GSP lost.

LHW IMO is bigger in name not talent. It has benefited from a lack of a dominant champion [Prior to Bones] which means the title changed hands and there were many 'Former Champs'.

If you look at results; Henderson hasn't fared better @ MW, A perennial gatekeeper [Bisping] arguably defeated former LHW Champ Rashad, Two MW's in Vitor & Sonnen have had LHW championship shots not to mention if MW was easier - The LHW's who could have made the cut would have made the cut [The champ makes the $].

No, not at all, Its staying that anderson struggles with wrestlers, even not so good ones, and in a heavier division, that would not be good for him, and as far as bonnar and griffin go, they aren't wrestlers so, that does't make any sense to mention them.

MW was a crap division and had a "dominatnt" champ because it was such a weak division that even a mediocre champ, frankln, could be dominant. Machida also dominated that MW champ in one of his first professional fights, and knocked him out.

And henderson barely fought at MW, he's also an old man who is verry one dimensional now which makes him inconsistent at any division. Also on and off trt. Henderson also took down silva pretty easily, and was dominating him for a while like lutter. Not a good example

 

[FEDORRULEZ]

how can machida be the best after what jones did to him ???

 

[Killme]

Lol, just because he didnt hold the belt doesnt mean he wouldnt have won it given the chance, and he beat Mach back in the days when Mach was the real deal.
Struggled against Newton yes, but knocked him out so its does not make a point, Matt Hughes went to sleep when fighting Newton.
I agree on Forrest he had somewhat padded run at the championship but who else does stuff like that to him...right, no one, so if you want to hate please do but dont make yorself look stupid doing it.

Yourself*

Why do you have to be insulting???? what is wrong with you?

anyway...

" just because he didnt hold the belt doesnt mean he wouldnt have won it given the chance"

Because anything other than what did happen is make believe? I don't care about your "opinion" on what he might or might of done, lets work with the fact MasterNinjaRat?

 

[TheComebackKid]

Oh really? Educate yourself fool. He won Shooto's 168lb belt, beating Mach who was the #1 WW in the world at the time and should've been 20-0 [held a 18-0-2 record bcuz draws].

If you're not aware of Silva vs Mach, kill yourself.

On top of that Mach was considered the #1 p4p fighter at the time.

 

[frandie2b]

becuase fighter a being better than fighter b... this is fucking noob logic. STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. Rampage would take him down and out his lights out. hell if he catches anderson stand.... LIGHTS OUT.

Lol dude it's time to stop posting. Your Anderson hate is too stupid.

I'm sure this noob jizzed his pants when Anderson broke his leg.

 

[_Keyser_Soze_]

I don't care. He didn't win a belt at welterweight, he sturgglde with Carlos Newton and lost a few fights, matt hughes would of dominated him.

He beat forrest Griffin AFTER Forrest Griffin was at his best, and forrest was never really championship caliber, the only top guy he beat was Maurico rua after surgery and Quinton jackson on a robbery decision. It was a good win, but it proved fuck.... all....

Machida had all of ONE title defence at LHW and that was a questionable decision. Silva defended his title 10 times. So ... No. Machida would have to defend his second title several times to surpass Silva. Which he won't. Thanks for the laugh, talking about how Silva did not win a WW title. Silva would have finished fat BJ Penn...

 

[Jew Jif Shoes]

Anderson tooled Forrest who choked out Shogun, who destroyed Machida.

But why stop there?

Machida < Davis < AJ < Kos < Paulo Thiago < Diego Sanchez < Penn < Hughes < Newton < Silva

Or how bout...

Machida < Jones < Hamill < Franklin < Hendo < Vitor < Liddell < Franklin (again) < Silva

And there's always...

Machida < Rampage < Wand < Leben < Silva

:icon_lol: MMAth is fun, sarcasm aside.

 

[Killme]

Lol dude it's time to stop posting. Your Anderson hate is too stupid.

I'm sure this noob jizzed his pants when Anderson broke his leg.

That is a horrible thing to say, i do not take pleasure in watching a near 40 yr old man snap his leg and scream in pain. actually, i quite like Anderson Silva.

 

[Yolandabecool**]

No, not at all, Its staying that anderson struggles with wrestlers, even not so good ones, and in a heavier division, that would not be good for him, and as far as bonnar and griffin go, they aren't wrestlers so, that does't make any sense to mention them.

MW was a crap division and had a "dominatnt" champ because it was such a weak division that even a mediocre champ, frankln, could be dominant. Machida also dominated that MW champ in one of his first professional fights, and knocked him out.

And henderson barely fought at MW, he's also an old man who is verry one dimensional now which makes him inconsistent at any division. Also on and off trt. Henderson also took down silva pretty easily, and was dominating him for a while like lutter. Not a good example

What could of been within the context of the fight isn't relevant. Through Anderson's reign in the UFC he faced 10 fighters based in grappling & he handled all of them until he eventually lost 7 years later .

If we look at the LHW & MW rankings from 2010 for instance we see [From 1st to 5th]:

LHW: Shogun, Lyoto, Rashad, Quinton, Forrest.
MW: Anderson, Sonnen, Shields, Marquardt & Henderson.

The number one ranked fighter has been defeated by two of the top five in the smaller division. Lyoto & Rashad fought SD's against No.5 ranked Henderson. Forrest was defeated by Anderson.

If we go to 2007 [From 1-5]:

LHW:Rampage, Dan Henderson, Wand, Shogun Rua, Chuck Liddell
MW:Anderson Silva, Rich Franklin, Thales Leites, Nate the Great, Yushin Okami

The mediocre fighter 'Franklin' has wins over two of the LHW top 5. Anderson Silva handled Henderson who was [No.2] during this 'weak' period.

There is a difference between perception and fact.

 

[SKITZADACTYL]

not even close, you should feel embarrassed mate.

 

[BomberMan]

U motherfuckas actually understand what the TS is saying?

 

[RondaTateCarano**]

Well, he did beat BJ Penn.

 

[lefthighkick01]

What could of been within the context of the fight isn't relevant. Through Anderson's reign in the UFC he faced 10 fighters based in grappling & he handled all of them until he eventually lost 7 years later .

If we look at the LHW & MW rankings from 2010 for instance we see [From 1st to 5th]:

LHW: Shogun, Lyoto, Rashad, Quinton, Forrest.
MW: Anderson, Sonnen, Shields, Marquardt & Henderson.

The number one ranked fighter has been defeated by two of the top five in the smaller division. Lyoto & Rashad fought SD's against No.5 ranked Henderson. Forrest was defeated by Anderson.

If we go to 2007 [From 1-5]:

LHW:Rampage, Dan Henderson, Wand, Shogun Rua, Chuck Liddell
MW:Anderson Silva, Rich Franklin, Thales Leites, Nate the Great, Yushin Okami

The mediocre fighter 'Franklin' has wins over two of the LHW top 5. Anderson Silva handled Henderson who was [No.2] during this 'weak' period.

There is a difference between perception and fact.

This man is educated and knows what the fuck he is talking about.

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

Anderson was ranked #1 at WW in the early 2000's, Ranked #1 at MW for years and had he beaten Forrest a few months earlier would have been Ranked #1 at LHW too.

lol. wow. Let those nuts breath man.

Lets be realistic here as Anderson's MW run is the only one that matters for his ranking really. He was ranked at WW similar to how Serra was but for not as long and not as the consensus #1 either, I do not think. He jumped the cue with one single big win and into a discussion of the top WW's were he was not discussed prior nor really after that win.

And his LHW run of competition did nothing to merit a top ranking, again outside a Serra moment which you seem to be saying he would have had if not for better timing.

If Lyoto can gain and defend that MW belt it would not take him long to surpass Anderson because of his top run at LHW and then establishing a top run at MW. Not a Serra moment. A top run.