If Jones were totally honest......

[flairleguccijoints]

This is the new alpha ish, can’t accept reality, deep down a crying bitch, need to make up new “facts”.

 

[Jones Will Beat Gane]

He faced MW cheaters?

None of those fighters listed are even close to middle weights except machida.

 

[Lee_]

None of those fighters listed are even close to middle weights except machida.

You better look these guys up again if you don't think they were MWs. Here is the list for you. They all fought MW for a significant portion of their career, if not all or most of it. Jon would have to cut his legs off to make MW; he was much bigger than those guys.
Vitor
Sonnen
Machida
Hendo..

 

[Wonderfight]

He is 23-4. He lost to Gus, Reyes and Santos, plus Hammil. Without Peds? He would have lost against Cormier 1, Cormier 2, Glover, Machida, Rampage and Rashad. So he would have been 17-10 probably.

This is very cringe to read. You are taking some of those close decisions that some people think that he lost (even if most think he won some of that but okay), now take a close decision from every fighter who had a group of people who think he lost…. Oh wait you won’t.

 

[RedDevilFan]

You better look these guys up again if you don't think they were MWs. Here is the list for you. They all fought MW for a significant portion of their career, if not all or most of it. Jon would have to cut his legs off to make MW; he was much bigger than those guys.
Vitor
Sonnen
Machida
Hendo..

When did jones fight hendo? You can’t even get your complaining right. You gotta be new to MMA and did you even watch those fights. Why complain when you don’t know.

You can’t complain about height when fighters wanted the smoke. Outside of sonnen imo, every other fighter was a LHW. All of which were fighters far better than the HWs, who were fat, big and unskilled, and slow. Jones beat TRTvitor and no beat him, and Vitor was a LHW champion, won a HW tournament, and has knocked out HW fighters bigger than Jon jones. He also beat Randy, the HW and LHW champion. You are comparing height vs skill. Jones easiest fight was a guy larger than most HWs in Brandon Vera. He beat Brandon so easily, it was one of his fastest wins. Brandon towers over those same fighters but he lacks the skill, experience, and aptitude of the fighters jones beat. Brandon was also the “ONE” Heavy Weight champion.

 

[Lee_]

When did jones fight hendo? You can’t even get your complaining right. You gotta be new to MMA and did you even watch those fights. Why complain when you don’t know.

You can’t complain about height when fighters wanted the smoke. Outside of sonnen imo, every other fighter was a LHW. All of which were fighters far better than the HWs, who were fat, big and unskilled, and slow. Jones beat TRTvitor,and no beat him and Vitor was a LHW champion, won a HW tournament, and has knocked out HW fighters bigger than Jon jones. He also beat Randy, the HW and LHW champion. You are comparing skill vs height. Jones easiest fight was a guy larger than most HWs in Brandon Vera. He beat Brandon so easily, it was one of his fastest wins. Brandon towers over those same fighters but he lacks the skill, experience, and aptitude of the fighters jones beat.

The other poster had mentioned he had "almost" fought Hendo, so it was the on the list YOU were referencing. It is you who is short on knowledge, quite obviously.

I absolutely love this classic statement you make- "IMO they were all LHW" That is hilarious. You do realize you can't opinion someone into a weight class, right?

Since you didn't seem to internalize it, I will repeat the previously stated fact: They all fought MW for a significant portion of their career, if not all or most of it.

 

[RedDevilFan]

The other poster had mentioned he had "almost" fought Hendo, so it was the on the list YOU were referencing. It is you who is short on knowledge, quite obviously.

I absolutely love this classic statement you make- "IMO they were all LHW" That is hilarious. You do realize you can't opinion someone into a weight class, right?

Since you didn't seem to internalize it, I will repeat the previously stated fact: They all fought MW for a significant portion of their career, if not all or most of it.

But he did not, so it makes no sense. They were LHWs when he fought them. As they also fought at LHW for a significant portion of their career and have bigger achievements from those respected years. Larger achievements than their years of fighting at a different division.

Vitor was a LHW champion before he was a MW, and a HW tournament champion and was never really a MW. He use to complain about the weight loss at MW and use to starve himself to make MW and was always a LHW. That is why his biggest achievements are at LHW and HW. Machida was a LHW champion and fought their for the majority of his career before he dropped to MW after getting older and was their for a small time. That statement of significant portion is false and your assertion that they are MWs is false.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Don't forget Anthony Smith. Moron didn't take the free W

I think we should give credit to Smith for that. Definitely not how you want to “win” a title.

 

[Willek]

No matter how much of a scumbag Jon is he seems to get the biggest cheers at press conferences.

 

[RedDevilFan]

I will repeat the previously stated fact: They all fought MW for a significant portion of their career, if not all or most of it.

Are those facts?

Vitor has about 41 fights. around 26 of his fights were at HW/LHW, 13 at MW, 2 or more at catchweight.

machida has 38 fights, about 26 we’re at HW/LHW, he has about 12 MW fights, and an open, catch weight at around 214, and at 186.5.

Where is this fact of significant, most, or if not all. That is completely false. IMO Sonnen is a middle weight, and we can gift you Vitor, since you are trying so hard but not Machida. What I read is excuses for height, and not division just a bad relabeled in a confused and disordered way from you.

 

[joenewbie]

I think point deductions/disqualifications is probably enough to both penalize offender and reward the recipient. I like your idea but it would have to be in the form of fines on top of payment otherwise a fighter not getting paid is probably illegal. Lol

True. I don't think any athletic commision, or Dept of Labor and Industries would allow the fighter to not get paid at all.

 

[mraa1]

The other poster had mentioned he had "almost" fought Hendo, so it was the on the list YOU were referencing. It is you who is short on knowledge, quite obviously.

I absolutely love this classic statement you make- "IMO they were all LHW" That is hilarious. You do realize you can't opinion someone into a weight class, right?

Since you didn't seem to internalize it, I will repeat the previously stated fact: They all fought MW for a significant portion of their career, if not all or most of it.

You're right, you can't "opinion" someone into a weightclass and all of the fighters you mentioned that had fought Jones, fought him at LHW. In other words, they were LHWs. Pretty simple.

 

[blocnoir]

Not sure. Prolly would've lost to Gus first time yeah, and both times to Cormier. After that, no idea. Maybe would've gotten KO'd by Reyes too. So yeah, I agree with the ones saying 4 losses. Maybe would've lost to Glover too, not sure.

 

[Oris79]

He'd still be undefeated because he is the GOAT.

 

[BigOlJeet]

Juiced to the neck and eyeballs Jones lost to Reyes, was a robbery.

 

[RedDevilFan]

Not sure. Prolly would've lost to Gus first time yeah, and both times to Cormier. After that, no idea. Maybe would've gotten KO'd by Reyes too. So yeah, I agree with the ones saying 4 losses. Maybe would've lost to Glover too, not sure.

Why stop there, he would have lost to everyone. Micky Mouse and Donald Duck.

 

[blocnoir]

Why stop there, he would have lost to everyone. Micky Mouse and Donald Duck.

I think others have been more exagerating than I did. My opinion is quite reasonable. But it's okay but if you like kissing some PED user's boots. Knock yourself out = )

 

[rstringer]

 

[Laheys'Liquorland]

....what would his record be?

Now, by honest, I mean no eye pokes, no illegal elbows, no PEDS, etc. A 100% clean fighter.

I'm going to be generous and say he would be 23-4.

Are you gonna erase the entire UFC too?
Because everyone is on steroids breh.

 

[RedDevilFan]

I think others have been more exagerating than I did. My opinion is quite reasonable. But it's okay but if you like kissing some PED user's boots. Knock yourself out = )

You think others are more exaggerated than yours ? really ?Reasonable is about reason, yours was not.

For instance, here is the problem, you say he would have lost twice to Cormier. In the first fight, Cormier had an irregular T/E ratio, which sheds some light on issues with testing and other fighters doing possible PEDs. Both men passed their PED tests, with jones getting more testing, like a stringent CIR test for his cocaine metabolite test result. Which he passed, he had no PEDs in his system from the lab experts.

If I can trust cormier was not on PEDs although having irregular PED results, than how can i not with jones who both passed their lab tests, with jones getting far more rigorous test for his failed cocaine result.

Again it is up to interpretation. Thus somewhat invalidating exaggerated views. Because if you cant trust the PED test results than Cormier was possibly on something. Logic dictates that he was clean for that fight or logic dictates both were on something.