If Jones were totally honest......

[prikoke]

Jon being honest is like Rogan being tall. It's hard to fathom that even in an alternate reality.

 

[spinup]

Google images is available for everybody.

Waiting for a worse eye poke than that from Jon Jones :

Oh but you know, Miocic is the nice firefighter and Jon Jones the dirty fighter.

True.
And let's talk about Gane: some bad eye poke as well against Volkov, nut shots in several fights, a questionable rabbit punch vs Tai.
And in his MMA debut, he landed several 12 to 6 elbows, in his 2nd mma fight a big knee to the head of a grounded opponent. Both could easily have been a DQ, and certainly would have been in a big, high stake UFC fight.

 

[Lee_]

Jon being honest is like Rogan being tall. It's hard to fathom that even in an alternate reality.

lol well put.

 

[Deleted member 579771]

He is 23-4. He lost to Gus, Reyes and Santos, plus Hammil. Without Peds? He would have lost against Cormier 1, Cormier 2, Glover, Machida, Rampage and Rashad. So he would have been 17-10 probably.

He won against Reyes. He had 2nd, 4th, 5th, rounds.

 

[Lee_]

Khabib: scale cheating
DC: scale cheating and eye pokes
Anderson: steroids
GSP: dodgy weigh in in Canada and greasing
Usman: plenty of dirty moves (hook gloves, cage grab)

Trying to falsely equate any of these people with Jones-level cheating is a massive fail.

Jones' moral bankruptcy is on another level.

 

[barillas]

You guys can't stop whining about him. "Let's make up fake losses because I don't like him. Derp derp."

I used to hate Jones in the past but with time I saw the importance the guy have in MMA and how good he is, aged MMA fans don't hate anyone

 

[Dbreiden83080]

27-0

that’s his record..

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Trying to falsely equate any of these people with Jones-level cheating is a massive fail.

Jones' moral bankruptcy is on another level.

But he faced cheaters

Vitor
Sonnen
Machida
Was booked to fight Hendo..

That was the era..

 

[Clark Rogers]

If pigs could fly

 

[barillas]

Trying to falsely equate any of these people with Jones-level cheating is a massive fail.

Jones' moral bankruptcy is on another level.

out of octagon he's totally lost, he's definitely a disturbed person, but I don't think that his fighting antics and PED accusations are out of normal shit that we see from various top fighters, this is pure hate on the guy

 

[BrockLesnarsTurtleBack]

50-0.

Honesty pays off in the end.

 

[Ares Black]

He won against Reyes. He had 2nd, 4th, 5th, rounds.

No

 

[Lee_]

out of octagon he's totally lost, he's definitely a disturbed person, but I don't think that his fighting antics and PED accusations are out of normal shit that we see from various top fighters, this is pure hate on the guy

It is out of the norm, that is the whole point. Others do things to, but they can't be equated to Jones.

 

[Lee_]

But he faced cheaters

Vitor
Sonnen
Machida
Was booked to fight Hendo..

That was the era..

He faced MW cheaters?

 

[Dbreiden83080]

He faced MW cheaters?

He faced cheaters. In that era people were cheating rampantly. We know this.

even though there was some testing in the UFC, I would still compare it favorably to the 1980s and 1990s in major-league baseball.

 

[Lee_]

He faced cheaters. In that era people were cheating rampantly. We know this.

even though there was some testing in the UFC, I would still compare it favorably to the 1980s and 1990s in major-league baseball.

It is easy to justify cheating by saying "everyone did it, so that justifies him doing it." Problem is, the only people we know for sure about are those that were caught (which in his case were MWs), the rest is only speculation. That gets into believing what you want to believe.

I know others cheated, but Jones is the biggest cheater.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

It is easy to justify cheating by saying "everyone did it, so that justifies him doing it."

No it does NOT.. But context is important in any argument..

Problem is, the only people we know for sure about are those that were caught (which in his case were MWs), the rest is only speculation. That gets into believing what you want to believe.

I know others cheated, but Jones is the biggest cheater.

Fighters were caught across weight classes NOT sure what you mean by this? Reem was busted hard..

In terms of Jones being the biggest cheater his levels were low.. Quite low..

 

[Rio Ferdinand]

You really think he was the ONLY one on juice back in the day? <45>

 

[true_fan]

....what would his record be?

Now, by honest, I mean no eye pokes, no illegal elbows, no PEDS, etc. A 100% clean fighter.

I'm going to be generous and say he would be 23-4.

You mean if the UFC were an honest organization

 

[Lee_]

No it does NOT.. But context is important in any argument..



Fighters were caught across weight classes NOT sure what you mean by this? Reem was busted hard..

What I mean is the guys that fought Jones that were caught were MWs, and the rest is speculation. You named them yourself.

Jones has cheated multiple times in the cage and out, and no one is worse unless you are talking a few lower rung fighters like Paul Harris.