If Jones were totally honest......

[Lee_]

....what would his record be?

Now, by honest, I mean no eye pokes, no illegal elbows, no PEDS, etc. A 100% clean fighter.

I'm going to be generous and say he would be 23-4.

 

[Paironj56]

He is 23-4. He lost to Gus, Reyes and Santos, plus Hammil. Without Peds? He would have lost against Cormier 1, Cormier 2, Glover, Machida, Rampage and Rashad. So he would have been 17-10 probably.

 

[Tito Tapped]

27-0

 

[surgeyou1]

Who the fuck knows. The guys he's fighting aren't clean either.

The eye pokes bug me a lot more than the PEDs.

 

[Adamant__]

He is 23-4. He lost to Gus, Reyes and Santos, plus Hammil. Without Peds? He would have lost against Cormier 1, Cormier 2, Glover, Machida, Rampage and Rashad. So he would have been 17-10 probably.

Don't forget Anthony Smith. Moron didn't take the free W

 

[koquerelle]

You guys can't stop whining about him. "Let's make up fake losses because I don't like him. Derp derp."

 

[Apect15]

27-0 jon is clean everyone on steroids

 

[MMA_AZ]

....what would his record be?

Now, by honest, I mean no eye pokes, no illegal elbows, no PEDS, etc. A 100% clean fighter.

I'm going to be generous and say he would be 23-4.

 

[tehMoose]

14-13

 

[empsim]

I almost forgot how salty Jones makes people.

 

[Bearknuckle]

They love to hate jones dont they

 

[Lee_]

You guys can't stop whining about him. "Let's make up fake losses because I don't like him. Derp derp."

No, the things he has done are proven, they are factual. Thus, the hypothetical. It's a fair question, and those who have a problem with it are the sniveling whiners.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

If not for tainted supplements, there would be no suspensions.

He'd be like 35 or 40-0.

 

[Raptors2019]

100-0

 

[daniel san]

And how would you determine what his record would be without PEDs? What would other elite fighters record be if they weren’t on PEDs? All I know is that he legitimately lost to Reyes.

 

[AmonTobin]

....what would his record be?
Now, by honest, I mean no eye pokes, no illegal elbows, no PEDS, etc. A 100% clean fighter.
I'm going to be generous and say he would be 23-4.

Not here to defend Jones, but he's not the first and won't be the last. These are MMA fighters we're talking about.
They're not all going to be squeaky clean, honourable people, who play nice.
If you want a clean sport without fouls, take up your grievances with the UFC's rule set, the sport's governing bodies, and the referees.
Banning fighters for life after 3 failed drug incidents would stop fighter doping in it's tracks.
Consistently calling fouls with stern warnings, with a point deduction after third foul would deter intentional fouls.
That's how we can improve the sport without bitching about Jones all day.

 

[Will G]

Guess y'all haven't heard that no one considers Jon a cheater anymore. He's been through hell, but now he's free-

“If that same rule would’ve applied back then, it would’ve never made the media... It would’ve never been a big deal at all. My win over Daniel Cormier wouldn’t be a no contest. It would be a knockout, a KO victory. So, I’m hoping that with these rule changes, we could go back and make that no contest a win. That would mean a lot to me. I don’t have any ill will towards USADA. It’s just something we needed to go through. I was the first one, and one of the biggest names to go through it, and I’m glad I did because some of these younger fighters wouldn’t have been able to survive something like that.
It was hell being considered a steroid cheat. I’m glad that people get to see clearly that I never was. I feel set free.”
-Jon Jones, March 1, 2023

 

[koquerelle]

No, the things he has done are proven, they are factual. Thus, the hypothetical. It's a fair question, and those who have a problem with it are the sniveling whiners.

You know what's factual? His record. So fuck your hypothetical!

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Same could be asked of any fighter, especially pre-USADA

 

[heavy_hands]

....what would his record be?

Now, by honest, I mean no eye pokes, no illegal elbows, no PEDS, etc. A 100% clean fighter.

I'm going to be generous and say he would be 23-4.

to be completely honest, most fighters have done types of ped’s. but yeah Johnny likes his eye pokes