If Gordon Ryan's not going to MMA anymore.....

[Evenflow80]

... what else is there for him to accomplish in BJJ? What's the carrot to chase ? There is a real risk of boredom setting in.....

BUT he always said before he didnt compete in the gi because his goal was mma , now that that's gone why not try your luck in the gi ? Honestly the guy is so dominant in nogi I cant imagine him falling off THAT hard in gi. He already beat the current top Gi guy (Buchecha) and that's as hard an opponent as he can expect in the gi.

Imagine if he wins in the gi as much as he does in nogi, his already high reputation would skyrocket and he would be the BJJ GOAT. Just think about that.

If that doesn't motivate you nothing will. Plus the gi is different enough that it might prevent boredom from setting in?

 

[yetanother]

The skill level in the gi is a lot higher IMHO. At the adcc a lot of the top guys are gi guys using retarded tactics and extra roids. Not sure how he is going to have his gi grappling advantage without high level gi training partners or a gi knowlegable coach.

 

[lechien]

He can open his own gyms franchise which sucks at the current situation.

 

[tekkenfan]

... what else is there for him to accomplish in BJJ? What's the carrot to chase ? There is a real risk of boredom setting in.....

BUT he always said before he didnt compete in the gi because his goal was mma , now that that's gone why not try your luck in the gi ? Honestly the guy is so dominant in nogi I cant imagine him falling off THAT hard in gi. He already beat the current top Gi guy (Buchecha) and that's as hard an opponent as he can expect in the gi.

Imagine if he wins in the gi as much as he does in nogi, his already high reputation would skyrocket and he would be the BJJ GOAT. Just think about that.

If that doesn't motivate you nothing will. Plus the gi is different enough that it might prevent boredom from setting in?

money i guess im sure he will take another break soon and do seminars dvds ect i bet he end sup doing mma eventually at least for 1 fight tbh i think the issue with guys going into mma who already have a incredible 1 sport base is they go to fast gordan should train a full 4 years before even fighting but youll get a top black belt or boxer ect train 5 months then fight pro thats crazy tbh even with a top gym it takes years to develop certain skill sets and build awareness

 

[tekkenfan]

The skill level in the gi is a lot higher IMHO. At the adcc a lot of the top guys are gi guys using retarded tactics and extra roids. Not sure how he is going to have his gi grappling advantage without high level gi training partners or a gi knowlegable coach.

nah i wouldnt say that its more that athleticism does help out more without a gi on i find passing to be much more technical no gi due to not being able to get grips

 

[Chandler sama]

I beleive he said he doesn't like training in the gi, so he gave up. From his and others accounts he wasn't nearly as good in the gi and I believe him when he said he just didn't enjoy it. I imagine he is years away from being able to compete in the top levels in the gi, so why spend your life doing something you hate. He would also be caught between a rock and a hard place. Either compete in small local tournaments and beat up cans for a while until you can get better or get destroyed in A level tournaments. Both options make him look bad.

There are still more things to do in no gi. He can try to improve his takedowns. Try to become the undisputed ADCC goat. Win ADCC with all subs. Make a new submission or perfect a submission other people haven't. On top of that although a lot of people seem to think he will go on winning forever, its more likely he'll start losing and will have to re-think his game soon in the next few years. Nobody can stay on top forever and he seems to enjoy no gi the most, so why switch to something else that will most likely cause him to lose or get injured.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

Problem with been super attached to one very specific style, sport and rule set is, you do good until you loose.

Once blueprint of how to beat Ryan is set, his whole fan support is gonna jump the wagon, for the guy who beat him.

He doesn't have the charisma, to build long term followers, so the downfall will be quite harsh, to say the least, but hey, you lie in the bed you made yourself.

Another issue with strong competition teams is that they inevitably split up and a lot of times is nasty.
Meaning, Ryan bros would most probably end up doing a family affair gym and associated teams.

But, as people already have stated numerous times, the current business situation for gyms is not looking good.
We will most probably be witnesses to smaller gyms, ran on own properties (hence, less financial risks).
I am building mine, as we speak.

 

[yetanother]

Problem with been super attached to one very specific style, sport and rule set is, you do good until you loose.

How has a varied arsenal of stuff. A lot of his opponents are trying to beating him with adapted gi games while his stuff is tailor developed for the rule set.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

How has a varied arsenal of stuff. A lot of his opponents are trying to beating him with adapted gi games while his stuff is tailor developed for the rule set.

You are not seeing the big picture:

Ryan and DDS are training and mainly competing in No Gi, so the Gi crowd (the vast majority of BJJ practitioners) has no interest in him.

Then, when someone comes with the plan and beats him, the No Gi crowd will be all over his nuts, leaving Ryan with his hardcore fans, that considering his attitude, are not that many, to compare in size with 10th Planet or Atos.

He doesnt compete in a Gi, he doesnt compete in Judo, Sambo or Wrestling, MMA, so his options are quite limited.

 

[HunterAcosta]

Yeah just for pure variety and to prevent boredom, id want to compete both but its super hard to do no gi and gi both equally as much. Hed have to do less no gi or none to even have chance in gi. Its so different. Its crazy. He should develop a marcelo type game where he doesnt grab the gi much with overhooks and underhooks as that would make his learning curve smaller. The Keenan type advanced lapel shit is not easy to learn and for Gordon I feel, based on his comments, he doesnt like the way people can stall you with gi. Developing a marcelo type game as far as agressiveness and lack of gi grips would help him no gi. His slow, methodical game seems like it would be perfect for gi, but i actually think the opposite counterintuitively.

 

[kenetics]

... what else is there for him to accomplish in BJJ? What's the carrot to chase ? There is a real risk of boredom setting in.....

BUT he always said before he didnt compete in the gi because his goal was mma , now that that's gone why not try your luck in the gi ? Honestly the guy is so dominant in nogi I cant imagine him falling off THAT hard in gi. He already beat the current top Gi guy (Buchecha) and that's as hard an opponent as he can expect in the gi.

Imagine if he wins in the gi as much as he does in nogi, his already high reputation would skyrocket and he would be the BJJ GOAT. Just think about that.

If that doesn't motivate you nothing will. Plus the gi is different enough that it might prevent boredom from setting in?

Umm GI is much harder to be good at. There are so many trips and guards you need to know how to counter, it's not even funny.

I saw videos of Ryan struggling with purple belts during the time he was training in the gi . He even stated he hated how a grip could stop his progression or movement.

 

[kenetics]

nah i wouldnt say that its more that athleticism does help out more without a gi on i find passing to be much more technical no gi due to not being able to get grips

It's harder to go from nogi to gi, way more grips, sweeps, guards, takedowns , and sub. What belt are you?

 

[Evenflow80]

It's harder to go from nogi to gi, way more grips, sweeps, guards, takedowns , and sub. What belt are you?

I'm.... not sure I agree with that. Im a purple belt so in the middle, but going from gi to nogi i feel is way harder than the other way around. At the very least everything that you can do in no gi you can do in gi, while half of the grips and gi chokes you do in gi wont carry over to nogi at all

 

[kenetics]

I'm.... not sure I agree with that. Im a purple belt so in the middle, but going from gi to nogi i feel is way harder than the other way around. At the very least everything that you can do in no gi you can do in gi, while half of the grips and gi chokes you do in gi wont carry over to nogi at all

It's pretty simple. Their are wayy more move sets because of the gi that's undeniable. A nogi grappler has alot to learn once they transition. Nogi way lesser.

 

[MilesP4P]

Not only are there more grips, takedowns and guards to worry about in the gi but it is a hell of alot easier to get your guard passed when your opponent has material to control you with IMO. Never trained much GI (barley any) but I have seen guys never get passed once in a no gi class and then get dismantled by 40 year old pressure passers in gi class lmao

So i theorize Ryan would have a much harder time even maintaining guard in gi matches.

 

[tekkenfan]

It's harder to go from nogi to gi, way more grips, sweeps, guards, takedowns , and sub. What belt are you?

black

 

[kenetics]

black

Me too odd you would say that. Doesn't make sense with all the move set gi has.

 

[tekkenfan]

Me too odd you would say that. Doesn't make sense with all the move set gi has.

i didnt say that gi wasnt harder to get into vs no gi but i believe passings much harder no gi due to not having training wheels "gi grips" to slow the bottom man down i notice all the big strong guys at the gym like gi more so they can slow it down and use their strength grips to pin people down vs no gi you have to have great positioning and control and a bit of athleticism dealing with a decent guard player

 

[kenetics]

i didnt say that gi wasnt harder to get into vs no gi but i believe passings much harder no gi due to not having training wheels "gi grips" to slow the bottom man down i notice all the big strong guys at the gym like gi more so they can slow it down and use their strength grips to pin people down vs no gi you have to have great positioning and control and a bit of athleticism dealing with a decent guard player

It's not just big guys that like gi because of that.

Athletes or athletic guys usually like no gi gi for obvious reasons, has nothing to do with size.

 

[tekkenfan]

It's not just big guys that like gi because of that.

Athletes or athletic guys usually like no gi gi for obvious reasons, has nothing to do with size.

i didnt mean just big strong guys but from what i noticed theirs a gym ran by a roid head and almost all his students are ex amateur mma fighters then they got into bjj once mma died out of tapout phase they hate grappling without a gi due to not able to hold guys with their grips the main coach isnt very technical at all but is able to stall and win about half his matches in the gi masters divisions but never wins when he competes no gi vs blues/purples