If Demetrious Johnson was the same size as Jones, would he have beaten him easily?

Xuh said:
What if an ant was the same size as Jones? Could Jones beat a human-sized ant? I read that those guys are really strong P4P.
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A human sized ant would probably die immediately from its body being incapable of bearing the weight and/or processing oxygen for that much mass.

I think Jon could stand there and watch it die.
 
Davidjacksonjones said:
Jon Jones would still win

No human in history can defeat Jon Jones in a fight
Jones can easily defeat most fully grown adult animals too, including tigers, elephants, lions, bears etc
A silverback gorilla would be a very tough test for Jones, but with his fight IQ and grappling technique he can outsmart them and win
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Nobody in history but a deaf fighter Matt when Jones couldn’t pull off his illegal moves like he normally does.

EDIT: Also LOL I don’t know why I bother, your av checks out.
 
GolovKing said:
He got beat to a pulp by Bob sapp. Imagine buakaw or saenchai losing to a 225-250 lb guy who was that slow, and inexperienced and with cardio that bad
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they would have gotten smoked by that Bob Sapp. Nobody knew wtf Bob Sapp was going to do, nobody knew what he was on, and he was clearly strong AF.

Hoost got smoked a few times by Sapp but it is just a testament to how the sport evolved. Once people knew Sapp's game plan, he became the joke he is today
 
humdizzle said:
we don't know what DJ would look like at that weight. obviously his proportions of arm length vs leg length, etc would be different than it is now. Jones has very long skinny legs, so DJ would like be a bit shorter than him.

jones is undefeated and has fought way better competition. dj lost his belt flyweight and lost multiple times at bantamweight (Cruz, McCall, Picket). Dom Cruz 50-45'd him. I can't imagine jones ever getting dominated like that by any HW.

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That was early in DJ's career.no one ever brings up cruz as a goat nowadays
 
If Mighty Mouse was as big as Jones he wouldnt move the same, keep the same pace and cardio. The reason why the smaller fighters are more skilled is because they can do more because they have a smaller frame and height and weight. They also dont have to worry as much about getting knocked out. Still happens but it will never be the same. Its really impossible to compare between divisions especially that far apart.
 
Trabaho said:
How do you know lhw and hw wouldn't be at the top ? Let me guess you are small and from your perspective bug guys are sloppy and slow. You just don't know what it's like to be heavy and don't realize Dj and 125 135 145 155 looking more skilled is due to light bodies. They are faster and get less tired. Easy to look more skilled.

The reality is the whole pp4 thing is a fantasy and larger man in fact are stronger then the smaller ones.

It's like who is the best 5'7 basketball player. Who is the best NFL player up to 155 pounds. It doesn't exist.

My favorite Kickboxers are Buakaw (155) and Remy (HW) so I'm indeed a big fan of lightweight too. Especially K1 Max.

But these mental mastrubation tactics lighter fans use to pretend they are vicariously better then big guys are fake.

And yes I'm also biased cause I'm large. Well not that tall but heavy.
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I'm not small. I'm 6'1 and 240 lbs. I've trained a lot of judo, wrestling, and BJJ, and a small amount of muay thai. My experience has always been that the smaller guys are more often than not more skilled than the bigger guys - yet the big guys still beat them because they are bigger and stronger.

Heavyweights are able to get by on knockout power, or by manhandling others who are smaller than them. This leads them to develop less actual technique than those who do not possess that same ability. Take a guy like Derrick Lewis, or Francis Ngannou - both are guys who don't have any sort of amazing technique in their striking, nor do they possess great grappling skills. But due to sheer physicality and power, they can climb to the top of the heavyweight division. The higher weight classes quite clearly have more one-dimensional fighters than the lower divisions, and that's because when you're big, you can get by on physical attributes more easily (i.e. insane knockout power). If a guy like Islam Makachev, Alexander Volkanovski, or even Sean O'Malley possessed the same physical attributes as Ngannou or Lewis, they would utterly outclass and brutalise them. Those smaller fighters are infinitely more skilled than the top heavyweight fighters in MMA. I think you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
 
Davidjacksonjones said:
Jon Jones would still win

No human in history can defeat Jon Jones in a fight
Jones can easily defeat most fully grown adult animals too, including tigers, elephants, lions, bears etc
A silverback gorilla would be a very tough test for Jones, but with his fight IQ and grappling technique he can outsmart them and win
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What about a Liger?
 
There are far less light heavyweight/heavyweight sized people in the world than there are flyweight to lightweight sized people, so it's always going to be a smaller talent pool. The guys who rise to the top of the sport in the lighter divisions are insanely talented individuals. Jones isn't even the best athlete in his own family.
 
Harlekin said:
125ers have twice the cardio = twice the training
Lower center of gravity
Shorter limbs

If DJ would be JJ size, his skill would be half as good
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Yup!
It’d basically be like expecting Ngannou’s joints to be able to withstand the same intensity of workouts.
Bigger organs, lungs, heart, etc… all having to support a body at least twice DJ’s size.

Prime Romero is probably the best example; but that’s a different debate.
 
Davidjacksonjones said:
Jon Jones would still win

No human in history can defeat Jon Jones in a fight
Jones can easily defeat most fully grown adult animals too, including tigers, elephants, lions, bears etc
A silverback gorilla would be a very tough test for Jones, but with his fight IQ and grappling technique he can outsmart them and win
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GolovKing said:
People say this but it is not true. It's just that Uber athletic big guys are less common than Uber athletic small guys. And Uber athletic big guys damn sure aren't competing in MMA for the peanuts that Dana and the UFC are paying
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This is obviously just not true.... the fastest runners in the world are all under 210 lbs... and most are under 180... the best jumpers are like 6 ft 2 190 lbs...

There is no such thing as a 250 lb guy that is as athletic as the 190 lb guys... the freaks like Rob Gronkowski and JJ Watt aren't even close to as fast or athletic as the smaller guys they are huge though and almost close to as athletic so they perform so well...

Those guys are probably the most freakish big guys of all time... and they aren't half the athletes of the smaller guys... dont be dumb
 
Davidjacksonjones said:
Jon Jones would still win

No human in history can defeat Jon Jones in a fight
Jones can easily defeat most fully grown adult animals too, including tigers, elephants, lions, bears etc
A silverback gorilla would be a very tough test for Jones, but with his fight IQ and grappling technique he can outsmart them and win
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I know you are joking with the animals part

but the bolded part: I am interested to see if the majority of sherdog believe that part
 
Usernamehere said:
Who cares about his name. Do you think Rickson Gracie has worse technique due to his size?
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No. Skill and size are different things, obviously
One can train his skills to the limit, but that wont make him taller
Thread is about 'what if he was taller' which is simply not a variable. Im too pragmatic for these
 
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