If Charles can beat Islam and Gaethe (no easy task) he has done more than Khabib ever did

Khabib has no losses because he didn’t fight many good people until he got the title.

And he arguably lost to Tibau.

I think he beat Tibau, but was a close fight.

He faced enough good guys to show the level. Poirier, Conor, Gaethje, RDA, Barboza had basically no chance in those fights. If they don't have the next 2 likely won't as well. The dominance.
 
Khabib is more dominant but his first 15 fights were notoriously weak.
1-0

Nurmagomedov made his professional debut in 2008 against Vusal Bayramov, an Azerbaijani who was 0-0 at the time and eventually amassed a record of 2-5.

All the losses that Bayramov suffered during a short two-year career came inside the distance.

2-0

Next up for Khabib was a man so bad they named him twice, Magomed Magomedov. It was a fight in itself just to find a database on this Russian with no age or height even known.

Magomedov was four fights into his career when he fought Khabib. He was on a four-fight losing streak and all of those defeats came inside the distance. Magomedov finished his career with a negative record of 4-6.

3-0

Khabib’s third fight was against fellow Russian, Ramazan Kurbanismailov. Another inexperienced competitor with only one fight to his name. Nurmagomedov won by unanimous decision and his opponent is currently 5-3-2, which more closely resembles a defensive-minded formation on FIFA than a decent fighter’s record.

4-0

In his fourth bout, Nurmagomedov took a considerable step-up in competition considering his previous opponents, fighting a man who was 2-0. Shamil Abdulkerimov was defeated by Khabib via unanimous decision and only fought four more times thereafter, finishing up with a mediocre record of 4-3. His only claim to fame being that he once featured on an Emelianenko undercard. Unfortunately for Abdulkerimov it wasn’t the legendary Fedor, it was his lesser known brother, Aleksander.

5-0

His fifth fight is laughable. Nurmagomedov faced Said Akhmed, who was making his debut at the time. Akhmed lost by first round TKO and has not fought since. He ended his ‘career’ 0-1, which begs the question; was this guy even a legitimate fighter or just someone they literally dragged in off the street?

6-0

The Dagestani continued to be matched up against newcomers in his sixth fight where he fought Eldar Eldarov, who was 1-0 at the time. Eldarov has earned some credibility though, winning seven straight fights since losing to Nurmagomedov, taking his record to 8-1.

7-0

The recurring theme of favourable match-ups was evident once again in Nurmagomedov’s seventh outing as he faced Shahbulat Shamhalaev, who only had two fights under his belt at the time. Khabib dispatched of his inexperienced opponent in the first round via kimura.

8-0

Nurmagomedov went 8-0 after beating another unproven opponent in Ali Bagov, who was 2-1 at the time and coming off a submission loss. One must question why a seven-fight streaking Khabib was paired against such a green opponent coming off a loss.

Bagov can best be described as a journeyman fighter, as he went on to accumulate a lacklustre record of 23-10 with an 80 per cent TKO loss rate.

9-0

Khabib extended his winning streak to nine by beating another subpar opponent in Vitaliy Ostrovskiy. The Belarussian came into the fight 3-3, with two of his victories coming against an opponent with 28 losses (20 by submission) and the other against a fighter with a 1-2 record. Top class opposition indeed. Ostrovskiy didn’t fare much better after losing to Khabib as he lost six of his next seven fights and seven of eleven overall before retiring with an 8-11 record.

10-0

Given Nurmagomedov’s record at this stage, you’d expect him to be lined up against adversaries with similar records but this was not the case. For his tenth fight, Khabib dispatched of Alexander Agafonov, a Ukrainian who had competed in half the number of fights that the ‘Eagle’ had. Agafonov retired shortly after his defeat to Nurmagomedov, with an undesirable record of 5-3 having competed for barely two years.

11-0

Khabib scored a submission victory over Said Khalilov to extend his unbeaten run to eleven in April 2011. The defeat to Nurmagomedov was the second of the five-fight losing streak that ended Khalilov’s career. He finished up with an unattractive record of 12-13, with defeats to Dennis Siver and Albert Tumenov along the way.

12-0

Astonishingly, an undefeated, eleven-fight streaking Khabib was somehow matched with a fighter 0-2 for his twelfth contest. Ashot Shahinyan was the fighter in question and he faced the multiple time sambo world champion in the middle of a five-fight losing streak. The Armenian went 0-2 in his next two contests before picking up the first win of his career. He subsequently retired with a record of 1-5.

13-0

Unlucky for some, 13, was the complete opposite for Nurmagomedov as he was gifted yet another untested opponent with just two previous fights. Khabib defeated fellow Russian Kadzhik Abadzhyan in the first round. It was the second defeat of what turned out to be a six-fight losing streak for Abadzhyan, who eventually finished with a 3-6 overall record.

14-0

Victory number 14 came against Hamiz Mamedov. The Azerbaijan native went 0-3 at the beginning of his career before putting together a decent four-fight winning streak that was eventually snapped by Nurmagomedov. Mamedov was hit and miss and retired in 2014 with a mediocre 8-4 record.

15-0

Obviously, by this point of Khabib’s career, overseas MMA organisations would have been scouting the Dagestani with a view to signing him up. Usually, a fight against a noteworthy name is what management seeks to speed up the process but for Nurmagomedov it couldn’t have been more opposite. Bewilderingly, in his 15th professional fight Khabib fought an opponent making his debut. Yes, you read that correctly. At 0-0, Vadim Sandulitsky was the next opponent for the 14-0 Nurmagomedov and needless to say it ended in the first round. Cherry picking at its finest.

16-0

Nurmagomedov’s last fight before joining the UFC’s ranks was against Arymarcel Santos, a Brazilian with 72 fights to his name. At the relatively young age of 33, ‘Chocolate’ Santos has a crazy record of 38 wins and 34 losses and is still actively competing. Khabib was the Brazilian’s 51st fight and he was 28-22 at the time. Khabib got the stoppage and is just one of 14 KO/TKO losses for Santos.

It is hard to disagree with Tony Ferguson’s labelling of Khabib’s record as ‘padded’ when you consider the credentials of his opponents and circumstances in each of the 16 fights above. This unbeaten streak portrayed the sambo specialist as untouchable upon entry to the UFC but even during his time in the organisation there have been signs of mortality that have been ignored.

Against Pat Healy’s high tempo ultra-offensive style, similar to that of Tony Ferguson, the Dagestani struggled to hold his own when constant pressure was applied and showed signs of cardio issues. His fight with Gleison Tibau is shrouded in doubt as many, including this writer, feel the Brazilian was the clear victor.

On that night Khabib failed to land a single takedown and earned a unanimous decision but 3 writers at leading site Sherdog, 1 writer at MMAFighting and 1 contributor at MMAWeekly scored the fight three rounds to 0 in favour of Tibau. Most recently, Michel Johnson exposed the Russian’s inferior stand-up game.

When you add in the weight issues, persistent pullouts, injuries and the fact that Khabib’s first ever fight in a cage was his UFC debut I feel it is quite reasonable to argue that Nurmagomedov is extremely lucky to find himself in the position he’s in.

If they have the same top wins, then its pretty similar because even though Oliveira has losses, his first fights were a lot stronger.
 
No, Khabib has no losses. Charles has a lot of them. The dominance counts. Charles would need to go on some run.
Anderson had some losses too, if you don't have a dad or a coach from the start who perfectly builds you up it's gonna be next to impossible to have zero losses.

I hate when people say this because it encourages the mentality people have in Boxing where they don't take any risks.
 
In your mind that would exceed never getting bloodied, cut, or knocked down and only losing 2 rounds in 13 UFC fights?

Charles has lost as many rounds in his last 5 round as Khabib did his entire decade long UFC career.

Just GTFO. Seriously, GTFO.

And that’s a fact Jack.

He has some tough opponents ahead of him.

But two fights to being the greatest LW champion of all time.
 
In your mind that would exceed never getting bloodied, cut, or knocked down and only losing 2 rounds in 13 UFC fights?

Charles has lost as many rounds in his last 5 round as Khabib did his entire decade long UFC career.

Just GTFO. Seriously, GTFO.

Youre just talking about him never losing or never taking damage.

i can win fights and take no damage if I beat up 15 bums.

Khabib fought about 4-5 great people in his whole life
 
I do think Khabib beats Islam head to head just by being way bigger human being and more aggressive, but Khabib has a thin resume.

If Islam beats Oliveira and Dariush, then I say he has done more than Khabib as is.
 
In your mind that would exceed never getting bloodied, cut, or knocked down and only losing 2 rounds in 13 UFC fights?

Charles has lost as many rounds in his last 5 round as Khabib did his entire decade long UFC career.

Just GTFO. Seriously, GTFO.
Oliveira surely wasn't facing a 0-0 fighter in his 14th fight
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If Oliveira were to beat Chandler. Dustin, Justin, and Islam in a row, l’d have no problem saying he’s the best LW ever.

And if Islam beats Oliveira, and then the next 3 guys in line he’d be right there too. But he has to beat the top contenders first. Not these borderline top 15 fighters.

One of them will probably end up being labled the LW GOAT before it’s all said and done.
 
Justin looked hopeless on the ground. If charles rubs his Brazilian body all over him and subs him in the first 2 rounds it makes khabibs W look a little less glamorous
 
Oliveira surely wasn't facing a 0-0 fighter in his 15th fight...
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This. Khabib has laughably thin resume, for the reputation he thinks or his fans seem to think he deserves.

He was very, very good though. Just pretty thin resume relatively speaking anyways. It's no joke to go 13-0 in UFC, though he obviously lost to Tibau.

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