If Aspinall was a back up-fighter for Jones-Stipe, doesn't that prove Jones was willing to face him?

[JKS]

No, not a good example, because we're not talking about whether a fighter gets the fight, we're talking about if one of the original fighters can refuse to fight the official backup. Remember, the original post suggested that by Tom being the official backup, Jones wasn't ducking him. You said, no, Jones could just refuse that matchup.

But we haven't seen an example where there was an official backup, and one of the original combatants refused that fight. We've only seen the UFC opting to do something else, instead.

Nothing you posted from your Google search has anything to do with the contractual obligations that exist or don't exist for the ORIGINAL main event fighters, in regards to fighting the backup.

News reporting at the time, when Jones injured his pec, said that Miocic wasn't given the choice of fighting Aspinall or Pavlovich for the interim title that replaced the original fight with Jones. He said he wanted to, so, again, that was the UFC's decision, and not a case of any of the fighters refusing to fight the backup.

And, no, Google AI said, specifically, that they are contractually obligated to fight the backup. And then, when I went to find my AI inquiry to grab the screenshot of it, it said, no, they're not. When I added "main event" it again said yes, they are. So, you can see my disclaimer about AI unreliability was well founded.

So, again, do you have anything SPECIFIC you can point me to saying that the main combatants can choose to decline?

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Okay, lets take any other scenarios of the conversation for now since we want to zero on the specific scenario of Jones potentially declining the official back up in Tom.

Now, you're not really going to find anything on the internet confirming this one way or the other, the only facts you can really go by is by past situations. All this stuff is within UFC legal contracts and documents. And also, getting the information from people within the industry who deal with this stuff. Which foruntately I did.

But in this specific scenario, Jones can decline the fight vs Aspinal and just not sign the new contract. The "official back up fighter" contract is mainly there to ensure they are part of the process and ready to fight in case. Also, the contract is there to outline their pay during the process, I know they get their show money if they weigh in. But prior to that, say if Stipe pulled out 2 weeks prior and the UFC went with a different opponent, like in the Gamrot scenario. Does Gamrot still get compensated?? I don't know.

However, there is nothing within the contracts of Jones/Stipe that places the back up fighters name in there and says they have to fight him. There are three fights contracts and all seperate, Jones signs for his fight with Stipe, Stipe sings for Jones and Tom signs his own back up fighter deal. In the event either Jones or Stipe get injured a new contract will be issued. That is why you've had scenarios with guys like Izzy and Usman where they weren't even aware of the back up fighter. I had first hand encounter with Kamaru where I asked about this two years ago relating to Stipe/Jones and Pavlovich. Also, a friend of my was a trainer and manager and gave me insight in the process.

A new contract has to be drawn up for both fighters as its a new fight. It will outline all the basic things like event, date, etc and outline the new pay for the back up fighter. But this contract still has to be signed by the Jones in this case, and if he doesn't want to fight Tom, he doesn't sign the new contract.

 

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Okay, lets take any other scenarios of the conversation for now since we want to zero on the specific scenario of Jones potentially declining the official back up in Tom.

Now, you're not really going to find anything on the internet confirming this one way or the other, the only facts you can really go by is by past situations. All this stuff is within UFC legal contracts and documents. And also, getting the information from people within the industry who deal with this stuff. Which foruntately I did.

But in this specific scenario, Jones can decline the fight vs Aspinal and just not sign the new contract. The "official back up fighter" contract is mainly there to ensure they are part of the process and ready to fight in case. Also, the contract is there to outline their pay during the process, I know they get their show money if they weigh in. But prior to that, say if Stipe pulled out 2 weeks prior and the UFC went with a different opponent, like in the Gamrot scenario. Does Gamrot still get compensated?? I don't know.

However, there is nothing within the contracts of Jones/Stipe that places the back up fighters name in there and says they have to fight him. There are three fights contracts and all seperate, Jones signs for his fight with Stipe, Stipe sings for Jones and Tom signs his own back up fighter deal. In the event either Jones or Stipe get injured a new contract will be issued. That is why you've had scenarios with guys like Izzy and Usman where they weren't even aware of the back up fighter. I had first hand encounter with Kamaru where I asked about this two years ago relating to Stipe/Jones and Pavlovich. Also, a friend of my was a trainer and manager and gave me insight in the process.

A new contract has to be drawn up for both fighters as its a new fight. It will outline all the basic things like event, date, etc and outline the new pay for the back up fighter. But this contract still has to be signed by the Jones in this case, and if he doesn't want to fight Tom, he doesn't sign the new contract.

when is back up fighter activitated is it within days or weeks? Obviously a month before a fight it¨s just cancelled.

 

[JKS]

when is back up fighter activitated is it within days or weeks? Obviously a month before a fight it¨s just cancelled.

Typically they get the back up fighter within days of the actual fight being signed. It gets negotiated at the time of the original fight. Tom was announced very close to Stipe/Jones. Borrahlo was also given the back up role, but he was announced weeks later after Imavov turned down the role. It varies. Once they take the back up fighter role they train as if they're gonna fight that night all the way till they weigh in.

 

[fzoid4454]

Okay, lets take any other scenarios of the conversation for now since we want to zero on the specific scenario of Jones potentially declining the official back up in Tom.

Now, you're not really going to find anything on the internet confirming this one way or the other, the only facts you can really go by is by past situations. All this stuff is within UFC legal contracts and documents. And also, getting the information from people within the industry who deal with this stuff. Which foruntately I did.

But in this specific scenario, Jones can decline the fight vs Aspinal and just not sign the new contract. The "official back up fighter" contract is mainly there to ensure they are part of the process and ready to fight in case. Also, the contract is there to outline their pay during the process, I know they get their show money if they weigh in. But prior to that, say if Stipe pulled out 2 weeks prior and the UFC went with a different opponent, like in the Gamrot scenario. Does Gamrot still get compensated?? I don't know.

However, there is nothing within the contracts of Jones/Stipe that places the back up fighters name in there and says they have to fight him. There are three fights contracts and all seperate, Jones signs for his fight with Stipe, Stipe sings for Jones and Tom signs his own back up fighter deal. In the event either Jones or Stipe get injured a new contract will be issued. That is why you've had scenarios with guys like Izzy and Usman where they weren't even aware of the back up fighter. I had first hand encounter with Kamaru where I asked about this two years ago relating to Stipe/Jones and Pavlovich. Also, a friend of my was a trainer and manager and gave me insight in the process.

A new contract has to be drawn up for both fighters as its a new fight. It will outline all the basic things like event, date, etc and outline the new pay for the back up fighter. But this contract still has to be signed by the Jones in this case, and if he doesn't want to fight Tom, he doesn't sign the new contract.

Fair enough. That sounds like it's coming from an informed place. Thanks for filling in the background of where you got that from.

 

[ocfightfan]

Why did they agree to that sum with an Aspinall fight but not Ngannou?

Because Ngannou wasn’t worth it. Ngannou was an egomaniac but with the charisma and promotional ability of paint drying. He was a big hoss with a big punch and mediocre skill. Frank thought he was the golden goose but he didn’t draw the box office to justify that self-opinion. I reckon that the UFC saw through that because they know their numbers inside out and backwards.

He was fortunate that Tyson Fury had no respect for him and took the night off so he could get his moment. Then he went and was easily clobbered by a more prepared Anthony Joshua. And now the PFL has admitted that they can’t afford him. He demands a ridiculous amount of money for both him and his opponent, but he draws jack and shit.

 

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Because Ngannou wasn’t worth it. Ngannou was an egomaniac but with the charisma and promotional ability of paint drying. He was a big hoss with a big punch and mediocre skill. Frank thought he was the golden goose but he didn’t draw the box office to justify that self-opinion. I reckon that the UFC saw through that because they know their numbers inside out and backwards.

He was fortunate that Tyson Fury had no respect for him and took the night off so he could get his moment. Then he went and was easily clobbered by a more prepared Anthony Joshua. And now the PFL has admitted that they can’t afford him. He demands a ridiculous amount of money for both him and his opponent, but he draws jack and shit.

Tom Aspinall didn't look much better once he faced someone with technique

 

[ocfightfan]

Tom Aspinall didn't look much better once he faced someone with technique

A "technique" called eye pokes.