If Aspinall was a back up-fighter for Jones-Stipe, doesn't that prove Jones was willing to face him?

[fractal]

Colby Covington confirmed as backup for UFC 286 main event welterweight title fight https://share.google/R7pR0oGRxa4T4RiqB

Here's another offical backup situation in which both Edwards and Usman stated they had no idea Colby was even hired to be the backup.
So again it's not required of them to have agreed to fight him since they were not even told!

Even if they were aware, it's not like they agree to fight the replacement. That's a whole new contract.

 

[fractal]

Just because you call him your backup doesn't mean there's any contractual obligation to face him. You'd most likely have an entirely new bout agreement. Jones wouldn't have to sign it, just like he didn't have to face Sonnen as a late replacement.

New fans aren't aware of Jones being responsible for first UFC event cancellation

 

[fractal]

Still surprised nobody talks about this. the match could have happened as a replacement event.

Because we know Jones. There is no way he's accepting a replacement fight against any relevant HW, especially someone that replaces a safe bet like Stipe.

Think about it, they had to bring a guy out of retirement so Jones could get a title defence lol. If Stipe pulled out, Jones would be calling for Mark Coleman to replace him.

 

[markys00]

If you tell the truth on Tom Aspinall, you’re a lowlife. But if you’re a yes-man and tell him everything he wants to hear, surprise surprise - you’re an upstanding citizen. This guy’s delusional; he thinks he’s God. Praise Jesus his ass got humbled!

did we watch the same fight? how did he get humbled?

 

[markg171]

New fans aren't aware of Jones being responsible for first UFC event cancellation

Guy from Toronto complaining about new fans is somehow unaware that Jones instead fought Vitor 3 weeks later...

In Toronto.

 

[188912345]

The way for Jones to prove that he wasn't ducking Aspinall was to sign the $30m contract for their fight. He didn't.

 

[fractal]

Guy from Toronto complaining about new fans is somehow unaware that Jones instead fought Vitor 3 weeks later...

In Toronto.

Yes 3 weeks later. In case you didn't know that was a new event ie UFC 151 still had to be cancelled simply because Jon backed out of the main event. Weird how you assumed I was talking about you though lol

 

[Luthien]

Guy from Toronto complaining about new fans is somehow unaware that Jones instead fought Vitor 3 weeks later...

TRT Vitor at his absolute monster peak too

 

[Intermission]

Because we know Jones. There is no way he's accepting a replacement fight against any relevant HW, especially someone that replaces a safe bet like Stipe.

Think about it, they had to bring a guy out of retirement so Jones could get a title defence lol. If Stipe pulled out, Jones would be calling for Mark Coleman to replace him.

Lets talk about that. Im guessing it was Jones idea because nobody respected his Gane victory right? Stipe was not officially retired

 

[fractal]

Lets talk about that. Im guessing it was Jones idea because nobody respected his Gane victory right? Stipe was not officially retired

I don't know about others, but I thought beating Gane the way he did was impressive. Gane is no slouch and a big HW. I thought Gane would give him trouble and he completely ran through him. Jones executed the gameplan perfectly.

But at least against Gane there was a threat of a KO.

Stipe may not have been "officially" retired, but to get a 41 yr old fighter who hadn't fought in 3 years is just absurd. I know the HW division isn't deep, but if Tom was ready to be a replacement, why not just fight him? Because that wouldn't be a gimme fight like Stipe at that point.

Conor is still active, but imagine if Ilia claimed he's the toughest fight out there right and wouldn't fight anyone but him? That would be a joke.

 

[Superzorro]

I brought up the Sonnen point to show that Jones will decline a fight on short notice against a different opponent if he doesn't have time to prepare. Notice how I said Sonnen short notice and then I said Tom was the back up. So I was quite aware they were different situations and not the same thing. Even in the case of a back up fighter, a offer stil has to be made. Either way though, it will have the same result as Jones can decline either scenario.

I don't fail to realize that any fighter can pull out at anytime, i've seen it hundreds of times, of course anyone can pull out at anytime. But this point is completely irrelevant to the topic. Pulling out and declining a new opponent are not the same thing. So i don't know what you're going on about??

To your last point. Yes, Jones can pull out any point if he's signed to fight Aspinal. But that's not the same thing as declining to fight him if he's the back up fighter. And I never said he would have declined to fight Tom, I said this entire thread that he could have declined the fight if he chose to. The whole point is about having the option to decline and not being forced to fight a back up opponent and there is no contract that states he must fight the back up.

I think you're misunderstanding a lot of this conversation. Refer back to the opening post where TS mentions Tom as the back up fighter and says Jones would have to fight him and how he would have gotten out of that?? I simply mentioned that being the back fighter doesn't mean the fight will be accepted and can be declined.

For anyone reading, this is what’s called trying to spin the narrative or move the goal post. I don’t need to reread anything. You’re wrong, buddy.

 

[Superzorro]

So I was right!!!! Jones is not a Duck!!!

That’s been the narrative. But it’s always been reaching and wishful thinking at best.

 

[Superzorro]

The crazy part is Jones vs Stipe was booked way before before Aspinall even won the interim belt. Aspinall was a relative nobody when Jones destroyed Gane and called out Stipe the same night.

Dana and the UFC made it clear they weren't going to scrap Jones vs Stipe just because they handed out an interim due to injury. Yet the fans were in some kind of silly uproar once the Aspinall hype train got going. Jones never cared for Aspinall and he wasn't even relevant until Jones was recovering from a serious injury.

The risk reward just makes no sense for Jones, he destroyed the #1 HW contender in sheer minutes and all the fraudulent fans could say was "GANE SUCKS" or "GANE WASN'T READY", despite the fact Jones was coming off a historic 3-year layoff to fight a #1 contender, not even Dominick Cruz was out that long when he came back to defeat TJ. Jones does historic never before seen feats but the haters just never stop.


Now the truth has been laid bare, that Aspinall isn't nearly as good as people believe. He is worse or on par with Gane, and that's okay. But Jones would rather fight closer to his optimal fighting weight with a real champion. Aspinall has no defenses, never won a real title, like the whole thing is really good marketing.

You call it “silly uproar,” I call it “fake outrage.” Everything that played out, Dana White and Jon Jones literally told the fans was going to happen before it happened. But they played stupid and acted like they were getting done dirty.

 

[KO Shotz]

Jon was never gonna fight Aspinall

 

[Deathmask]

Yes, because Jon is well known for being willing to fight late replacements.

 

[fzoid4454]

Colby Covington confirmed as backup for UFC 286 main event welterweight title fight https://share.google/R7pR0oGRxa4T4RiqB

Here's another offical backup situation in which both Edwards and Usman stated they had no idea Colby was even hired to be the backup.
So again it's not required of them to have agreed to fight him since they were not even told!

Okay, that's better than just speculating, but do we know they didn't sign something saying they were obligated to fight the UFC's designated backup, no matter whom, if one of the main participants had to drop? Was that a matter of them not signing a clause to fight a backup, or just not knowing that the backup was Covington?

 

[fzoid4454]

Jones pulled out of fighting Chael even if it resulted in the first cancellation of a modern UFC event. Pulling out of this one wouldn't make him look much more terrible, esp considering his past with drugs, hookers, roids and just being a shitty person in general.

No, he didn't "pull out" of fighting Chael, as he never agreed to fight him in the first place, in any capacity. We don't know if his agreement to fight Stipe included a contractual obligation to fight the backup, if necessary.

 

[fzoid4454]

Yes, because Jon is well known for being willing to fight late replacements.

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Yes, and because of that, the UFC changed how they manage the cards, by designating official backups for big events.

So, sure, when things were completely different, he chose not to fight Dana's "throw any shit at the wall" replacement to try and save the card.

That tells us NOTHING about what his obligations were under a completely different set up and format.

 

[Captain Herb]

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No one is forced to fight anyone. The contract is to confirm what you’ll be paid and the stipulations of the fight. You can sign a contract to fight someone and pretend you will do it all the way up until the walkouts, then bail without citing a reason - and there’s nothing they can do about it. They just don’t have to pay you. That’s it. No contract on the face of the planet forces anyone to go in the cage against their will. That would be considered slavery. So you could literally use this logic to say that Jones wouldn’t fight him if he signed to specifically face Aspinall. So again, what you guys are saying is opinion, not fact.

Chael Sonnen was not nor was he ever the back up fighter. He was PROPOSED to be the late notice replacement, which is an entirely different concept.

That's Aspinall's contingency contract it has nothing to do with the scheduled fighters. The only thing they agreed to was to fight each other.

 

[Captain Herb]

So if Jones signed a contract to fight Aspinall directly, you could use that same argument. What’s your point? Anyone can pull out of any fight, at any time.

If Jones signed a contract with fighter X then he would be under contract. If Jones doesn't sign a contract with fighter X then he's not under contract. See how that works? Can he pull out of a contract without penalty? You'd have to read the contract.