If a boxer has a 3 fight buy rate of ..... how much would that Boxer be gettign for his 4th fight?

[Tormund]

put conor vs a nobody at ufc 190 and he doesn't reach ronda/bethe numbers.

Conor is a draw, but he isn't drawing like boxers who literally carry an entire card with just a main event and a bunch of random people no one cares about

You think the casuals who bring in the numbers know who Rockhold & Weidman are or Lawler & Macdonald? If you're actually a fan of boxing you'll know the fighters on the undercard same as MMA.

 

[elanimalsantana]

Don't the MGM pay the UFC or lower the cost to host more events there than anywhere else? Not sure if true but I've heard it more than once.

Wouldn't surprise me, anything is possible. But one thing is for certain: Boxing bring in high rollers and MMA doesn't (at least not anything near what boxing does) and boxing get paid incredible site fees from the casinos.

 

[theincognito]

Boxing promotions are not important. But a Conor PPV without the UFC would be lucky to sell 100,000

 

[Sharkey]

Wouldn't surprise me, anything is possible. But one thing is for certain: Boxing bring in high rollers and MMA doesn't (at least not anything near what boxing does) and boxing get paid incredible site fees from the casinos.

True in a lot of cases. And to group your post with the other guy who mentioned that Pacquiao could make $20 million plus despite selling less than 500k PPV buys, a couple of those fights took place in Macau where a Pacquiao fight had an insanely huge impact on the pit drops for the casino putting it on over there and thus allowed them to pay out site fees well, well into the eight figures to entice Top Rank to bring him over there.

 

[DeadlyDuddly]

Put Lawler - Condit on that 196 card in place of Conor Diaz -- you think that PPV draws even 600K or fuck even 500K ? Conor is worth 1 million buys himself fighting a journeyman in Nate - granted Nate is a fun fighter but never a true title contender.

I guess we are going to find out very soon ? UFC 200 headlined by McGregor - Diaz , a stacked card and a hefty publicity /advertising budget thrown at it ( Dana White said yesterday $20 million) ? They must be looking to beat the UFC record of 1.6 million PPV buys of UFC 100 , perhaps expect to break 2 million barrier?

So now there is no McGregor that figure should plummet to 1 million buys minus the ' Conor factor' , if your theory is correct ?

 

[elanimalsantana]

True in a lot of cases. And to group your post with the other guy who mentioned that Pacquiao could make $20 million plus despite selling less than 500k PPV buys, a couple of those fights took place in Macau where a Pacquiao fight had an insanely huge impact on the pit drops for the casino putting it on over there and thus allowed them to pay out site fees well, well into the eight figures to entice Top Rank to bring him over there.

The trouble is this site is loaded with shertards who don't have a clue and just think that top boxers make X and top MMA guys make Y (which they actually don't have a friggin' clue) means Dana and Lorrenzo are robbing the fighters when they don't realize the HUGE difference in revenue that there is between the two.

 

[BigDaddyBach]

a lot. Period. He'd be a massive star and making tons of money and have every opportunity in the sport and media. As well as several high profile sponsorships. Nike commercial and all that. Not a game of war commercial.

Im not a Connor fan, I dont even like the guy never did. But he's not unreasonable in what he's asking. He knows his drawing power and isnt trying to make the UFC richer while risking his life for some shitty 1mil base pay. Dude is self aware and putting his well being on the line not Dana white.

Sure the UFC solely takes the hit for all the promotional costs as opposed to various boxing promoters and companies doing it all on their end but still. The similarities aren't to far apart to warrant him not getting paid well. He can go fight a boxing match vs some washed up bum under TMT and still make twice what he's getting paid right now lol

FUCK YOU PAY ME.

Thank God! Common sense!!

People are letting their teenage fan boy butt rage get the best of them because the all hated Conor is at the center of this. Sooner or later the subject of fighter pay would have to brought up, considering the UFC model is the worst in sports by far and the fighters have no union to seek grievances. If they complain or ask for what they are near worth, they are fired or benched and cant earn a living. If Conor doesn't save 196 or 189, the UFC is out roughly 200 million between seats and ppv revenue (not to mention fight week flopping/reebok selling nothing). No one knows how much he is making, but any one that has followed UFC and fighter pay knows it is not enough. Conors disclosed pay was 1 mil for UFC 196 but him being there is the difference between 100 million; that is pathetically INEXCUSABLE! He makes his pimp 100 dollars and gets 1 stinkin' buck.

 

[BigDaddyBach]

I guess we are going to find out very soon ? UFC 200 headlined by McGregor - Diaz , a stacked card and a hefty publicity /advertising budget thrown at it ( Dana White said yesterday $20 million) ? They must be looking to beat the UFC record of 1.6 million PPV buys of UFC 100 , perhaps expect to break 2 million barrier?

So now there is no McGregor that figure should plummet to 1 million buys minus the ' Conor factor' , if your theory is correct ?

Conor vs Nate 2 at UFC 202 with Vilanti and Latifi 2 as the comain doubles anything the UFC can put on in their current roster (i.e. DC JBJ 2). Ill even go as far as to say Nate Diaz 2, the rematch, sells better than the first one, which is the highest selling PPV of all time. Fights in which the superstar lost always dramatically outsell the previous fight (i.e. Lesnar Mir 2, Silva Weidman 2).

UFC 200 does have extra weight owing to the number tho. I will give you that.

 

[elanimalsantana]

Thank God! Common sense!!

People are letting their teenage fan boy butt rage get the best of them because the all hated Conor is at the center of this. Sooner or later the subject of fighter pay would have to brought up, considering the UFC model is the worst in sports by far and the fighters have no union to seek grievances. If they complain or ask for what they are near worth, they are fired or benched and cant earn a living. If Conor doesn't save 196 or 189, the UFC is out roughly 200 million between seats and ppv revenue (not to mention fight week flopping/reebok selling nothing). No one knows how much he is making, but any one that has followed UFC and fighter pay knows it is not enough. Conors disclosed pay was 1 mil for UFC 196 but him being there is the difference between 100 million; that is pathetically INEXCUSABLE! He makes his pimp 100 dollars and gets 1 stinkin' buck.

How can anyone "follow UFC and fighter pay" without actuelly seeing the books? Do you actually have access to the books and know exactly what the revenue streams are & what the fighters are really paid? I find it amazing how everyone here is so sure without having a clue.

 

[nostradumbass]

Canelo Alvarez makes less/fight than Conor. I don't know why you'd get hung up on purse money if the overall payday is much larger.

 

[Sharkey]

Canelo Alvarez makes less/fight than Conor. I don't know why you'd get hung up on purse money if the overall payday is much larger.

I would doubt anybody can say that with confidence. Canelo just fought Cotto for a $5 million guarantee with his cut of the PPV, sponsorship deals, Mexican television money bringing his total pay from the fight to $12 million according to Ring Magazine. For his fight with Khan next month he is slated to get a $10 million guarantee plus additional money from PPV, Mexican TV, and sponsorships.

 

[FrankieNYC]

I guess we are going to find out very soon ? UFC 200 headlined by McGregor - Diaz , a stacked card and a hefty publicity /advertising budget thrown at it ( Dana White said yesterday $20 million) ? They must be looking to beat the UFC record of 1.6 million PPV buys of UFC 100 , perhaps expect to break 2 million barrier?

So now there is no McGregor that figure should plummet to 1 million buys minus the ' Conor factor' , if your theory is correct ?

DW said $10 million in advertising (not 20)

 

[nostradumbass]

I would doubt anybody can say that with confidence. Canelo just fought Cotto for a $5 million guarantee with his cut of the PPV, sponsorship deals, Mexican television money bringing his total pay from the fight to $12 million according to Ring Magazine. For his fight with Khan next month he is slated to get a $10 million guarantee plus additional money from PPV, Mexican TV, and sponsorships.

Canelo Alvarez made $7 million for his unanimous decision win over Miguel Cotto. The Mexican pro boxer’s earnings for the night include a $5 million dollar purse and estimated $2 million in Pay-Per-View money. Alvarez also landed about $1.5 million in 2015 endorsement deals, bringing his annual earnings to $8.5 million.

Because of fees and high taxes from his Mexican citizenship, Canelo probably took home about $1.9 million of the money from the fight.

According to an article in the Christian Post, Oscar De La Hoya, head of Golden Boy Promotions, says he’d like to see a rematch between Canelo Alvarez and Floyd Mayweather Jr. Canelo’s only loss was to Mayweather in 2013. How much would Alvarez earn in a rematch? Such a rematch would likely be the fighter’s biggest payout yet, with earnings of over $10 million. As of 12/8/15, Alvarez’s next fight may well be with WBA middleweight champ Danny Jacobs. Jacobs’ promoter is pushing such a match up.

Conor is estimated to have made around $10M for the Diaz fight. Canelo would probably only beat that if he fought Mayweather again, which isn't going to happen. Again, don't get so hung up on the "guaranteed" purse because that's not how the pay works in the UFC. What matters is what the fighter goes home with, not the reported purse, and Conor made quite a bit more for his last fight than Canelo and a lot more for the year because he fought a few times.

 

[Sharkey]

Conor is estimated to have made around $10M for the Diaz fight. Canelo would probably only beat that if he fought Mayweather again, which isn't going to happen. Again, don't get so hung up on the "guaranteed" purse because that's not how the pay works in the UFC. What matters is what the fighter goes home with, not the reported purse, and Conor made quite a bit more for his last fight than Canelo and a lot more for the year because he fought a few times.

Again, Ring Magazine said Canelo's pay was $12 million which includes his money from his television deal with TV Azteca in Mexico. That's more than the "estimated $10 million" that you claim McGregor got for the Diaz fight. That deal with Mexican television being a source of income for him that whatever source you used there conveniently ignores. Whether it be from Ring Magazine, Dan Rafael of ESPN, or others in the boxing media, it's a well know fact that Canelo receives extra from that deal. Unless you want to believe that Canelo is signing a deal with TV Azteca and is fighting in front of 20-25 million viewers in his homeland for nothing?

And did you miss what I posted for what Canelo is set to earn next month versus Khan? Again, his guarantee is said to be $10 million with him having the ability to earn much more via PPV buys, sponsorship and money from Mexican television.

 

[nostradumbass]

Again, Ring Magazine said Canelo's pay was $12 million which includes his money from his television deal with TV Azteca in Mexico. That's more than the "estimated $10 million" that you claim McGregor got for the Diaz fight. That deal with Mexican television being a source of income for him that whatever source you used there conveniently ignores. Whether it be from Ring Magazine, Dan Rafael of ESPN, or others in the boxing media, it's a well know fact that Canelo receives extra from that deal. Unless you want to believe that Canelo is signing a deal with TV Azteca and is fighting in front of 20-25 million viewers in his homeland for nothing?

And did you miss what I posted for what Canelo is set to earn next month versus Khan? Again, his guarantee is said to be $10 million with him having the ability to earn much more via PPV buys, sponsorship and money from Mexican television.

Great for him, but Mexican television is not the promotion paying him more. I'm not Canelo's accountant, nor am I Conor's, but I don't think Canelo has gone home with more money than Conor did for his last fight, and certainly not much more.

 

[DeadlyDuddly]

Conor vs Nate 2 at UFC 202 with Vilanti and Latifi 2 as the comain doubles anything the UFC can put on in their current roster (i.e. DC JBJ 2). Ill even go as far as to say Nate Diaz 2, the rematch, sells better than the first one, which is the highest selling PPV of all time. Fights in which the superstar lost always dramatically outsell the previous fight (i.e. Lesnar Mir 2, Silva Weidman 2).

UFC 200 does have extra weight owing to the number tho. I will give you that.

Cheers for that , but what's all that got to do with my post ? My post was in reply to the 'statement Conor sells 1million PPV just by being on the card alone '. My point was the UFC expect 200 to be the biggest PPV of all time ,perhaps it sells near or breaks 2 million PPV's ? Now Conor is dropped from the card let's see how the PPV figures turn out for 200 and how much they drop by without the ' McGregor factor' .

I never disputed McGregor/ Diaz 2 would be the biggest PPV of all time ? I expect 200 with them to be a new record.

Vilanti vs Latifi 2 ? I'm not sure the world is waiting for that ? I know i'm not ?

Also i'm sure you will prove otherwise , but i can't find anything in the ether that says McGregor vs Diaz was the best selling PPV of all time .The only figure i can find is 1.5 million buys , and in every list i can find that still puts it behind UFC 100?

 

[wilKO]

UFC is filled with corrupt business men stealing all the money. Shit even the Reebok money can't be accounted for. The money that was for the fighters has a massive chunk missing somehow...

 

[adamsilva]

if its a self promoted event they'd pull in at least 16 milliion. If Don King is their promoter after paying all expenses they would be like 4 million in the red.