Idris Elba rumored to be next Bond

Sansnom said:
Doesn't change the fact that spiderman was made white by it's creator, therefore spiderman is white.

Hollywood can portray him however they want it still won't change the fact that the fictional character, spiderman is white.

What's so hard to understand?
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Almost every iconic character a generation ago was white, because the core audience was white. The audience is changing, and now these fictional characters will change as well. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that. You're arbitrary "if they started white they have to always remain white through every version, even if the character spans a century or more" opinion is just that... your opinion.

Look at Nick Fury. That character goes back to WW2. Well, in the Ultimates version he is black. Most casual fans only know of Nick Fury as a bald black guy. In the OG marvel comics there is still a white Fury. Both characters exist, have fans, etc. The world didn't implode.

Funny how nobody is bothered by the fact that Hollywood only made white characters 95% of the time, and whitewashed ethnic characters, but any white character changing race is blasphemous. This is what the industry does. It's not new.
 
Mike said:
Almost every iconic character a generation ago was white, because the core audience was white. The audience is changing, and now these fictional characters will change as well. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that. You're arbitrary "if they started white they have to always remain white through every version, even if the character spans a century or more" opinion is just that... your opinion.

Look at Nick Fury. That character goes back to WW2. Well, in the Ultimates version he is black. Most casual fans only know of Nick Fury as a bald black guy. In the OG marvel comics there is still a white Fury. Both characters exist, have fans, etc. The world didn't implode.

Funny how nobody is bothered by the fact that Hollywood only made white characters 95% of the time, and whitewashed ethnic characters, but any white character changing race is blasphemous. This is what the industry does. It's not new.
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Doesn't matter how much the character has evolved or how people decided to change it over the years.

The character is what the creator has meant it to be.

When Stan Lee created spiderman, he created a white high school teenager. Not a 45 year old indian man.

If Hollywood decides to cast a 45 year old indian man instead, it won't really be spiderman. It will be Hollywood's portrayal of Spiderman.

It won't change the fact that the "real" Spiderman is a white teenager because that's how the person who gave birth to Spiderman made him.
 
Sansnom said:
Doesn't matter how much the character has evolved or how people decided to change it over the years.

The character is what the creator has meant it to be.

When Stan Lee created spiderman, he created a white high school teenager. Not a 45 year old indian man.

If Hollywood decides to cast a 45 year old indian man instead, it won't really be spiderman. It will be Hollywood's portrayal of Spiderman.

It won't change the fact that the "real" Spiderman is a white teenager because that's how the person who gave birth to Spiderman made him.
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You guys have this weird idea of authenticity or "fairness" that simply does not exist in the medium. You're aware that for generations they either created a character and said "we'll make him white" or adapted an ethnic character from somewhere else and said.... "we'll make him white"

This idea of accuracy to source material you guys harp on has literally never existed. Biblical epics with all white casts. Stories set in other countries with all white casts. This is still happening today. You're argument is puzzling because we can, and have, pointed out example after example of character races changing with new versions, or changing when adapted to different media. The only new thing about it, is the change isn't always from minority to white now.

That's it. Otherwise this has been going on from the very beginning.
 
I've watched all of the Bond movies. All of them. Even the Lazenby one. I've got the Connery collection at home.

The amusing bit about a black guy playing Bond anyone getting their panties in a bunch about it is how many times Bond has changed or been rebooted in literally (literally? yeah) sixty years. You had dudes famous for being in a damn commercial as their only prior acting work to getting the role. Stop it B. Idris Ebla would immediately become one of the most skilled actors to ever be Bond the moment he signed the contract.

I guess none of you cans remember the blaxploitation style Bond movie at the height of such films in the 70s. I'm sure just as many pearl clutching closet racists were uppity at the time about the sacred James Bond daring to get physical with a black girl. The movie series is about a wisecracking secret agent that delivers one liners before he karate chops a dude. It's hilarious that people would be rustled by Idris playing that role when Bond is supposed to be a *British* guy and the original, best and most iconic Bond is fucking Scottish. Elba is actually British, lmao.
 
riitzni said:
I guess none of you cans remember the blaxploitation style Bond movie at the height of such films in the 70s. I'm sure just as many pearl clutching closet racists were uppity at the time about the sacred James Bond daring to get physical with a black girl.
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I'll definitely pay to see Idris Elba kill a Yaphet Kotto balloon.
 
Sansnom said:
I couldn't care less what hollywood does. I just stated facts.

They could take a fat asian guy with pink hair and call him James Bond and call the movie James Bond. But it still won't be James Bond. And it will be far from representitive of who James Bond is.

Because James Bond is a fictional white british secret agent created by Ian Fleming in 1953.

But again, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Accept all the actors who have played Bond are not British and they don't all have black hair so there goes your fact as they are still Bond.
 
Mike said:
You guys have this weird idea of authenticity or "fairness" that simply does not exist in the medium. You're aware that for generations they either created a character and said "we'll make him white" or adapted an ethnic character from somewhere else and said.... "we'll make him white"

This idea of accuracy to source material you guys harp on has literally never existed. Biblical epics with all white casts. Stories set in other countries with all white casts. This is still happening today. You're argument is puzzling because we can, and have, pointed out example after example of character races changing with new versions, or changing when adapted to different media. The only new thing about it, is the change isn't always from minority to white now.

That's it. Otherwise this has been going on from the very beginning.
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Yup.

there are all sorts of actual REAL ethnic people, and not just fictional characters who were portrayed the first time by a white actor because of pandering. So does that character or person who in real life have to always be played by a white person if that is how they were first portrayed in movies or tv?

Ridiculous. Media always changes to reflect the times. 50 years later it is NEVER unchanging. And it is only one thing and one thing only that triggers folks on the Make Movies great Again bandwagon.
 
riitzni said:
I've watched all of the Bond movies. All of them. Even the Lazenby one. I've got the Connery collection at home.

The amusing bit about a black guy playing Bond anyone getting their panties in a bunch about it is how many times Bond has changed or been rebooted in literally (literally? yeah) sixty years. You had dudes famous for being in a damn commercial as their only prior acting work to getting the role. Stop it B. Idris Ebla would immediately become one of the most skilled actors to ever be Bond the moment he signed the contract I guess none of you cans remember the blaxploitation style Bond movie at the height of such films in the 70s. I'm sure just as many pearl clutching closet racists were uppity at the time about the sacred James Bond daring to get physical with a black girl. The movie series is about a wisecracking secret agent that delivers one liners before he karate chops a dude. It's hilarious that people would be rustled by Idris playing that role when Bond is supposed to be a *British* guy and the original, best and most iconic Bond is fucking Scottish. Elba is actually British, lmao.
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Yup.
You have a Australian, an Irish guy and a Scott all playing Bond and 'gasp' a blonde guy. Change has always been part of the formula. It is just a certain change that is not allowed even if that guy is the consummate British gentlemen, born and raised.
 
MikeMcMann said:
Accept all the actors who have played Bond are not British and they don't all have black hair so there goes your fact as they are still Bond.
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They're white so they still represent him better. But you're right, they're not the original James Bond either.
 
Tired of all this blackwashing of white characters. It's just PC bullshit, and cultural appropriation blahblahblah....

















Just playing. He will be fine. Maybe play the aging Bond thing. He is too old to play it any other way, imo.
 
Sansnom said:
They're white so they still represent him better. But you're right, they're not the original James Bond either.
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ya as i thought. Your barometer is skin colour only. Thanks for outing yourself. Idris is a born and raised Brit which should put him ahead of any Scot, Ausie or Irish dudes but the point is that Bond has always been changing. What you think is an unchanging Bond does not exist and everyone considers them real Bonds. So you are entitled to be on a bus of one stating none of them are real bonds but just note that it will be a short bus.
 
MikeMcMann said:
Yup.

there are all sorts of actual REAL ethnic people, and not just fictional characters who were portrayed the first time by a white actor because of pandering. So does that character or person who in real life have to always be played by a white person if that is how they were first portrayed in movies or tv?

Ridiculous. Media always changes to reflect the times. 50 years later it is NEVER unchanging. And it is only one thing and one thing only that triggers folks on the Make Movies great Again bandwagon.
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I'd respect it more If people straight up said I don't like change. Instead of making the same repetitive false arguments that are easy to disprove with tons of examples.
 
MikeMcMann said:
ya as i thought. Your barometer is skin colour only. Thanks for outing yourself. Idris is a born and raised Brit which should put him ahead of any Scot, Ausie or Irish dudes but the point is that Bond has always been changing. What you think is an unchanging Bond does not exist and everyone considers them real Bonds. So you are entitled to be on a bus of one stating none of them are real bonds but just note that it will be a short bus.
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An accent can be faked not skin color you goof.

So yes, they portray a closer representation of the real James Bond.
 
Sansnom said:
An accent can be faked not skin color you goof.

So yes, they portray a closer representation of the real James Bond.
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Orson Welles, Marlon Brando and Mickey Rooney would like a word with you.
 
Hey it's better than some no talent British twat like Andrew Garfield
 
Sansnom said:
An accent can be faked not skin color you goof.

So yes, they portray a closer representation of the real James Bond.
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You've already outed yourself with regards to what you care about. Idris is a real true Brit who could easily be in today's MI6. He does not have to fake anything. That you can over look anything but skin colour is enough to know.
 
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