Ido talking about not training with vegans

[Iron Nick]

They are really really fucking annoying. They are like those hardcore religious people that go out of there way to tell everyone there religion lol.

Annoying? Strangely enough you are one of the angriest people in this thread, but i don't see any vegans being a**holes in here, so i assume you just don't like that topic or wanted to vent your anger.

I don't really see anyone preaching all the the time either ITT (just people argueing - some more and some less emotional) but that aside, one pretty much has an incentive to want people to be vegan, since the more people are vegan, the better it is for humanity for a variety of reasons, not to mention those animals that are treated horribly in factory farms.

Usually they also develop this weird sense of moral superiority. After many months of not getting proper nutrition they start looking like skeletors and get a wierd tone on there skin. My coworker knew someone that went Vegan and also swears that they start smelling wierd too.

Well, vegan people aren't worth more or less than non-vegan people, but they usually do care more about morals and ethics than most other people.

You can be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet and various institutes agree on that, with some of them even saying that a proper vegan diet provides health benefits - feel free to take a look beyond the spoiler:

Spoiler: Nutritional institutes on a vegan diet

Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (USA):
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements."

Dietitians of Canada:
"[...] Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. [...]"

National Health and Medical Research Council of Australia (NHMRC):
"Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. [...]"

As for you implying malnourished and sickly looks:

Spoiler

I think i not only feel, but also look and am perfectly healthy and fit and i'm vegan for ~5 years now.

Furthermore most quit the Vegan diet after a while due to serious health issues. Heres a random example: Miley Cyrus “I was vegan for a very long time and I’ve had to introduce fish and omegas into my life because my brain wasn’t functioning properly,” she said. Miley said she also was having intense hip pain that she thinks was due to her vegan diet.” Cyrus is 28 years lol she should not be having hip pain like that.

Surely you have a source for most people quitting the diet after a while due to serious health issues, right?

As for Miley Cyrus: she's a classic example of someone not properly following a vegan diet; she lacked omega-3 fatty acids, but in contrast to her opinion that you can't get those via a vegan diet, you can absolutely get them following a vegan diet.
(Be it in the oils or the raw forms of: linseed, walnut, hemp seed, or algae)

Its a shit diet based off feelings more than anything. A proper diet is an omnivore diet that is a mix of animal proteins, grain, vegetables etc. Humans are fundamentally built to be omnivores. Its not even a controversial thing, science backs that consistently but people always fall for the new age dumbass diets constantly.

It's a diet based off and which helps to:
- reduce unnecessary suffering
- reduce the ecological footprint
- increase the usability of farmland
- reduce the waste of resources
- reduce the likelihood of diseases
- increase long-term health
But yeah, it doesn't have any benefits at all and those nutritional institutes probably don't know their sh*t.

 

[Quacky Chan]

How so? Do B12 supplements not exist?

Or are you trying to imply that things that are made by humans are worse than things that occur naturally?
Because if that's the case, i assume you also don't take any medicine, as it's not growing on trees, right?

Aspirin is found in willow bark so you're wrong dawg.

Native America steeped it for pain relief.

 

[aus101]

Annoying? Strangely enough you are one of the angriest people in this thread, but i don't see any vegans being a**holes in here, so i assume you just don't like that topic or wanted to vent your anger.

I don't really see anyone preaching all the the time either ITT (just people argueing - some more and some less emotional) but that aside, one pretty much has an incentive to want people to be vegan, since the more people are vegan, the better it is for humanity for a variety of reasons, not to mention those animals that are treated horribly in factory farms.

Well, vegan people aren't worth more or less than non-vegan people, but they usually do care more about morals and ethics than most other people.

You can be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet and various institutes agree on that, with some of them even saying that a proper vegan diet provides health benefits - feel free to take a look beyond the spoiler:

Spoiler: Nutritional institutes on a vegan diet

Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (USA):
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements."

Dietitians of Canada:
"[...] Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. [...]"

National Health and Medical Research Council of Australia (NHMRC):
"Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. [...]"

As for you implying malnourished and sickly looks:

Spoiler

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I think i not only feel, but also look and am perfectly healthy and fit and i'm vegan for ~5 years now.

Surely you have a source for most people quitting the diet after a while due to serious health issues, right?

As for Miley Cyrus: she's a classic example of someone not properly following a vegan diet; she lacked omega-3 fatty acids, but in contrast to her opinion that you can't get those via a vegan diet, you can absolutely get them following a vegan diet.
(Be it in the oils or the raw forms of: linseed, walnut, hemp seed, or algae)


It's a diet based off and which helps to:
- reduce unnecessary suffering
- reduce the ecological footprint
- increase the usability of farmland
- reduce the waste of resources
- reduce the likelihood of diseases
- increase long-term health
But yeah, it doesn't have any benefits at all and those nutritional institutes probably don't know their sh*t.

You look like someone would suspect a vegan to look, low muscle tone, average bodyfat levels. Not quite skinny fat but hardly ripped and muscular.

 

[Iron Nick]

Aspirin is found in willow bark so you're wrong dawg.

Native America steeped it for pain relief.

How so?

But either way, i'm not amongst those people who ascribe inherent value to terms/the ideas "natural" and "unnatural".

 

[gevoudane]

He right though

Tell me 10 athletes amongst millions of vegan athletes that look and perform like the pinnacle omnivores do

With that said, hespekt to vegans who don't shove it down others throats, and does it for humane/personal reasons

He's wrong and so are you.

Rickey Williams NFL
Carl Lewis Track N field
John Salley NBA
David Hayes Boxing
Tim Bradley Boxing
Andy Lally NASCAR
Venus Williams, tennis
Abel Trujillo MMA
Rich Roll triathlete
Kyrie Irving NBA

I could go on, but tried to some of the lesser known ones.
the reason why most people do not know how many of the top athletes are vegan is they didnt developed the weird syndrome a letting everyone know they went or are vegan.

 

[gevoudane]

No


They're pescatarian

People need to stop associating them with vegans

Nate has always been a pescatarian
Nick was a vegan for awhile not sure if he went to pescatarian.

 

[Iron Nick]

You look like someone would suspect a vegan to look, low muscle tone, average bodyfat levels. Not quite skinny fat but hardly ripped and muscular.

Average bodyfat levels for what kind of person though?
Because the average body fat percentage in the western world isn't the one i have, whatever that percentage might be.
That being said, i wasn't implying to be Ronnie Coleman or a fitness model - i've just been saying that i look and am physically fit and considering the training i do and the things i eat, i'm happy with how i look.
At the moment i run as much as i do calisthenics, my current protein intake is around 120 grams per day and i'm not really focussing on building much muscle or getting ripped (i'm fine with maintaining this healthy level of body fat, maybe i'll decrease it, but i don't worry about that currently) i don't do much volume in my strength training nor do i pump myself full with proteins as mentioned.

To be honest, for me personally, if i had the choice between maintaining my exact physique and becoming a better runner, or maintaining my cardio and getting swole, i'd choose the former without hesitation.

 

[Iron Nick]

He's wrong and so are you.

Rickey Williams NFL
Carl Lewis Track N field
John Salley NBA
David Hayes Boxing
Tim Bradley Boxing
Andy Lally NASCAR
Venus Williams, tennis
Abel Trujillo MMA
Rich Roll triathlete
Kyrie Irving NBA

I could go on, but tried to some of the lesser known ones.
the reason why most people do not know how many of the top athletes are vegan is they didnt developed the weird syndrome a letting everyone know they went or are vegan.

Damn, i guess i forgot about a few/had no idea about them.
Carl Lewis is imo pretty significant though, since to my knowledge, he ran his personal best after switching to a vegan diet.

Nate has always been a pescatarian
Nick was a vegan for awhile not sure if he went to pescatarian.

The Diaz bros always get mentioned in these threads and there's always people like you, who understandably point out that they're both rather pescetarian.

 

[Zanderlini]

I dunno why people argue over this. It's your personal choice, try it, if it feels good do it. For me personally if i don't eat a decent sized portion of meat in a day I feel hungry and end up overeating. Yes I know I can feel up on greens but I don't like to spend more then 10minutes eating. If i felt better and stronger on vegan diet I would do it. Also its safe to say that early humans didn't turn down animal protein even though most of their calories probably came from plants.

 

[Swarthy]

We got some Vegans who do BJJ and wrestling at our gym and they are weak ass piss. Its like kids rolling with adults.

 

[Shocktagon]

Yes I know I can feel up on greens but I don't like to spend more then 10minutes eating.

Why would you fill up on greens though? Beans and lentils, potatoes, corn, rice, wheat, teff, quinoa, avocados, walnuts, pecans, and a bunch of other plant foods are way more calorie dense than leafy greens, cruciferous vegetables, and the like. They're not as calorie dense as animal flesh but you can still put together a burrito or curry and rice bowl or whatever that's packed with nutrients and calories.

 

[Swarthy]

He's wrong and so are you.

Rickey Williams NFL
Carl Lewis Track N field
John Salley NBA
David Hayes Boxing
Tim Bradley Boxing
Andy Lally NASCAR
Venus Williams, tennis
Abel Trujillo MMA
Rich Roll triathlete
Kyrie Irving NBA

I could go on, but tried to some of the lesser known ones.
the reason why most people do not know how many of the top athletes are vegan is they didnt developed the weird syndrome a letting everyone know they went or are vegan.

LOL some of those in fact most are either no longer Vegans or are part time vegans.

 

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[Misanthropist]

I’m a proud meat eater but why are the strongest animals in the world herbivorous who happen to be vegans? Elephants, Hippos, Rhinos and Dinosaurs etc who would crush any pack of wild animals alone.

 

[MescalineDreams]

I have to disagree with it being that dependant on genetics for most people, even though i'm sure it does play role - i just disagree about the extent to which it does/doesn't.

As i have shown in my other posts, various institutes consider a vegan diet to be absolutely healthy - if planned right, of course.
In regards to your friends having made bad experiences, i believe you, but have to ask if you're sure that they did everything right in regards to nutrition, especially when comes to vitamin b-12, omega-3 fatty acids (so DHA and EPA), zinc, iodine, selenium, iron, vitamin b-2 and calcium?

Now i come off as a smart ass lmao, sorry, i can't expect you to know this, but i personally assume they had a deficiency somewhere (btw, i've listed them with the most important ones coming first in descending order, but they're all important).

I think i agree though with veganism having slight benefits in performance when it comes to endurance and all cardiovascular related things, while having slight drawbacks when it comes to building muscle, since on average, the best animal proteins have a slightly better amino acid profile (i hope that's the correct english term for it) than the best plant proteins do.
(Although any food should in my eyes not just be measured by a single metric).

personally i've got no comparison to what it feels like to consume animal products while being serious with sports, so i can't talk on that, but in general i feel really good from a physical standpoint.
A friend of mine switched to a vegan diet and didn't notice any difference at all - both his diet before and after going vegan was thoroughly planned, so i didn't really expect anything else.

Would you mind elaborating on the spiritual benefits of veganism? I'm admittedly not spiritual, but i'm interested in your input, as i try to be open when it comes to these topics.

I'll get back to you when I'm able brother.


Drinking a bit tonight and I dont like answering such questions when I'm in that zone.

 

[gevoudane]

LOL some of those in fact most are either no longer Vegans or are part time vegans.

Which ones so I can take them off. Was trying for some lesser known ones.
Like Carl Lewis, not sure if he is still vegan but was during his prime.

 

[Jarvan]

He's wrong and so are you.

Rickey Williams NFL
Carl Lewis Track N field
John Salley NBA
David Hayes Boxing
Tim Bradley Boxing
Andy Lally NASCAR
Venus Williams, tennis
Abel Trujillo MMA
Rich Roll triathlete
Kyrie Irving NBA

I could go on, but tried to some of the lesser known ones.
the reason why most people do not know how many of the top athletes are vegan is they didnt developed the weird syndrome a letting everyone know they went or are vegan.

ricky is not vegan
carl lewis got stripped for PED's
salley was not vegan when he played
david haye went 2-4 after goin vegan
tim bradley eats meat
who the fook is andy lally
venus was not vegan during her reign
abel is a rapist who never even got close to contention


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The problem with debating with some people is that they continually spout incoherent or incorrect answers
Thereby, end up getting lectured on how they are wrong
And in turn, feel attacked

Some of the names you mentioned aren't even vegan
They weren't vegan during the height of their athletic career
And most of them did not reach their pinnacle on a vegan diet

Again, to reiterate, no one here is actually saying veganism is bad
I sure ain't
But it's funny when you say people are wrong, and then reply with what you did

 

[sissypunch]

I used to work with a vegan and this one time the photocopier in the office ran out of paper and he tried to load it himself and he died.

 

[Jarvan]

Who cares...
If you eat 97% vegetal food, nutrition wise, it makes no difference with being vegan.

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[Deus Ex Machina]

There's no scientific data that proves of a God, there are things to consider like all matter comes from existent matter and there are no examples of something being created from nothing. We could discuss this all day long, but essentially neither of us know the answers. I don't necessarily believe our limited senses and perception are the be all and end all of what exists and what doesn't.. What is "nothing" lol? There is no "nothing"..
What is your point? Are we debating God vs Atheism here or whether killing innocent things is cool? lol.

I have no idea why you are continuing to entertain this guys childish arguments about how you should be castrating lions to prevent massacres in the wild and donating to african children. You have the patience of a saint to continue giving thought out, rational, polite answers!
It's really weird how some people make being anti vegan part of their personality and something they feel the need to argue with. Why do people care so much if you dont eat meat? Is it going back to the brain dead 'eating meat makes you tough and a real man' bollocks that the meat industry has advertised for years?

For me I totally get people in remote areas hunting their dinner, that makes complete sense to me and seems like not a bad way for an animal to go. If you live in an urban area with plenty of access to shops and your eating mass farmed meat from animals raised in appalling conditions you should really have a think about what you are doing.