Ido talking about not training with vegans

[DustyWarrior]

Vegans the only dudes who eat Vegetables and Grains? lol

Alas you are right though, and it is very much a problem, but a much smaller one.

Which would become an enormous problem if everybody went vegan.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

See thats the thing. Vegans are hypocrites too just like everyone else. For a vegan to act like they are making the world a better place, it is implying the world isn't good enough because they aren't a vegan. In fact most vegans still use animal products in some form or fashion. Also growing enough vegan material to eat with and use for materials will require a shit ton of land and resources (aka pollution) to make, so you just removing one human problem (farm land wiping out forests, etc) and replacing it with another.

Also why are vegans so happy to kill plants, but so vehemently against it for animals? Another hole in their logic, unless they only ever eat the fruit of the plant and never harvest the plant while it is growing, which is never the case. Plants are living organisms just like animals. If you cut a hole in a tree, the tree absolutely 'feels' it and makes adjustments to try and repair itself.



So in the end vegans are full of shit and turn a blind eye to other areas besides the eating of animals. So thats why people hate on others who try to act all high and mighty on their mighty high horse.

"when you cant make meaningful distinctions"

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Zeus would, hypothetically of course.. Are you worried?
I am not forcing you to do anything, just saying I would vote on the side of 'Ban Meat'... You know like how most rational decisions are made.

Concerned about people like you. I don't worry. When i need to I fix things that become problems for me. Your idea of groups getting together and in this case telling people what they can and cannot eat is a concern. You don't understand the problem with your mentality in society today.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

The way I see it is can you survive in the wild with a vegan diet alone and no fortified food or supplements? I know you can survive and get enough nutrients from a omnivore diet with wild caught game and veggies, nuts and berries.
So thats pretty much why I go with my diet today, I don't eat much red meat though but I still do like 3 times a month max. I mostly eat salmon, chicken and eggs. I eat a lot of bean soup though.

"I eat a lot of bean soup though."

 

[Jose Beehive]

Which would become an enormous problem if everybody went vegan.

Nah not really, if we removed all of our abattoirs, and animal farms converted to responsible agricultural farms, then it'd be way less of a problem... Governments could put all that money they subsidise shit meat products with into focusing on farming as ecologically friendly as possible.

I swear we could all have Avocado's coming out of our eyelids.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Concerned about people like you. I don't worry. When i need to I fix things that become problems for me. Your idea of groups getting together and in this case telling people what they can and cannot eat is a concern. You don't understand the problem with your mentality in society today.

<Lmaoo>I'm sure the trillions of animals who die needless deaths each year are on my side.

Can I eat your loved ones then?

 

[Jose Beehive]

The way I see it is can you survive in the wild with a vegan diet alone and no fortified food or supplements? I know you can survive and get enough nutrients from a omnivore diet with wild caught game and veggies, nuts and berries.
So thats pretty much why I go with my diet today, I don't eat much red meat though but I still do like 3 times a month max. I mostly eat salmon, chicken and eggs. I eat a lot of bean soup though.

I don't see why some hypothetical life of living a way that doesn't correlate with what is actually happening is helpful.... If the shit hits the fan and you need to kill to survive, go for it.. But we don't, we live in a world where it is the easiest it has ever been to not eat animals.

Guarantee learning how to forage in a post apocalyptic world would be more useful than knowing how to kill animals.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

<Lmaoo>I'm sure the trillions of animals who die needless deaths each year are on my side.

Can I eat your loved ones then?

"Can I eat your loved ones then?"
No you can't. It wouldn't work out well for you if you tried. You have very assumptive arguments and language. You would probably be surprised but I am an animal lover. It's part of the reason I am against corporate food/factory farming. Do you have any background in nutrition? I would like to understand where you derive such strong beliefs?

 

[Jose Beehive]

"Can I eat your loved ones then?"
No you can't. It wouldn't work out well for you if you tried. You have very assumptive arguments and language. You would probably be surprised but I am an animal lover. It's part of the reason I am against corporate food/factory farming. Do you have any background in nutrition? I would like to understand where you derive such strong beliefs?

So you are telling me what I cannot eat.. Oh shit.
I'm not surprised at all most people are animal lovers, but your actions aren't consistent with your morals, like many people.
Factory Farming is the only way everyone can continue to eat meat, if you're against that and have no solutions otherwise then what is the answer?
I do not have a background in nutrition, but I have done some research. My beliefs come from believing I was contradicting myself in thinking I(Like you) loved animals, but my actions were not aligned.

 

[TidWell]

"I eat a lot of bean soup though."

That only happens in the early stages once your gut bacteria become more positive the farting and gassiness subside. The farting is a good thing means your killing off the bad bacteria, bean fiber help feed the good bacteria, also boiling potatoes and then eating them cooled down feeds the good bacteria they call it a resistance starch.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

So you are telling me what I cannot eat.. Oh shit.
I'm not surprised at all most people are animal lovers, but your actions aren't consistent with your morals, like many people.
Factory Farming is the only way everyone can continue to eat meat, if you're against that and have no solutions otherwise then what is the answer?
I do not have a background in nutrition, but I have done some research. My beliefs come from believing I was contradicting myself in thinking I(Like you) loved animals, but my actions were not aligned.

I'm not just telling you. My family is my responsibility (wife, children animals), so I protect them. The problem is you decide you are the judge for the animals of the world that you don't own. What purpose other than food do chickens have (eggs and their meat)? I'm for local and independent farms. I admit my actions are not perfectly aligned with my beliefs. It's a grey issue, not black and white. If there are enough people like you we don't need as many farms. As people become more 'enlightened' to your way of life the problem is self-correcting.

 

[Jose Beehive]

I'm not just telling you. My family is my responsibility (wife, children animals), so I protect them. The problem is you decide you are the judge for the animals of the world that you don't own. What purpose other than food do chickens have (eggs and their meat)? I'm for local and independent farms. I admit my actions are not perfectly aligned with my beliefs. It's a grey issue, not black and white. If there are enough people like you we don't need as many farms. As people become more 'enlightened' to your way of life the problem is self-correcting.

I think you've got it wrong, the people who judge what to decide with the animals are the ones who directly enslave, torture and kill these Animals, the people who are payed to do so, subsidised to do so..

Why must they have a purpose? Most animals on the planet don't directly benefit you, why do you think the Chicken is for the human? Why can't the chicken be for the chicken?

Local and Independent farms are not a solution either for the 8Billion people on the planet, besides all farms are "local" to someone ... If you have an idea to solve it that beats Veganism then it has to be consistent for everyone.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Vegans are no better than peadofiles in my book.

 

[FKAri]

Yes, they are hard core raw vegans.

I found between plant based and light fasting my energy level is good. One just has to just try it, to find out, how it affects them. I trust in what my body tells me or I will listen to what others tell me. All I know is that when I do it I get great results for energy level.

I also found, from what others have told me, that they get bad results from plant based diet. Many stories about long, mid, and short term problems with the plant diet. Especially the long term diet problems.

I like to follow how I feel and play with it. See what works and does not work. But, Science is there for a reason too. I guess it all depends who or what you trust. But, I recommend following how your body feels first.

If you start getting tired, upset, or just not the same as when you first started your diet when you felt good maybe the affect was more of a fasting feel. I would make sure your levels of energy stay in the right spot because I hear so many times people starting off good then falling off the cliff like they wanted to hold on then finally let go. Just tweak it here and there so you can maintain something that works for you.

Agreed. What makes it complicated is that sometimes there's an adjustment period. Like Keto or IF(never tried going vegan before tho). So sometimes your body won't respond initially and it'll be hard but then it gets much better.

 

[Badger67]

I think its bull shit, it all comes down to your genetic make up. Yes diet has a role, but you can get supplements/proteins on a vegan diet that would make your diet comparable to a regular person's diet.

Look at gorillas and chimps, they are pure muscle on grass, bamboo, and fruit. And they don't even work out.

Genetics boys and girls. Genetics.

Chimps eat meat, and are also cannibals.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Chimps eat meat, and are also cannibals.

"Three percent of the average chimp diet comes from meat. On average, nine days a year are meat days for chimps."

 

[Prologue]

Hes not Diego’s boyfriend or whatever.

They should fight though.

 

[Mr Wings]

He right though

Tell me 10 athletes amongst millions of vegan athletes that look and perform like the pinnacle omnivores do

Of the the approximately 20,000 non-vegan pro boxers in the world, how come none of them could stop one vegan boxer from attaining titles in two weight classes? Not one out of 20,000. Not to mention the millions of non-vegan boxers who couldn’t even hack it as a pro to even get the chance to challenge him.

You’re not the only one who can have fun with bro statistics.

 

[MescalineDreams]

The way I see it is can you survive in the wild with a vegan diet alone and no fortified food or supplements? I know you can survive and get enough nutrients from a omnivore diet with wild caught game and veggies, nuts and berries.
So thats pretty much why I go with my diet today, I don't eat much red meat though but I still do like 3 times a month max. I mostly eat salmon, chicken and eggs. I eat a lot of bean soup though.

Technically speaking, it wouldn't even be possible to be vegan in a high percentage of places.

People don't really understand that you cant find domesticated fruits and vegetables in the wild.

The tomato was once a small poisonous berry. The originating genus for a large number of domesticated plants are actually inedible or have to be processed heavily in order to be consumed.

There simply isnt the edible plant matter available in order to survive, especially in the harsh climates that humanity originated in and evolved from.

So, from this we can arrive at veganism being an unnatural diet for man and sort of a new age experiment. Only really being possible In the last 100 years with the advent and evolution of refrigeration, improved domestication, storage techniques and international shipping.

From what I've seen in the last 10 years, you can do veganism and be healthy. Up to a certain level. After a few years, vital reserves of unique nutrients and fats only acquired from animals begin to deplete and they start to have issues. With a few exceptions. Some genetics seem to do well on it for longer periods of time but they're more rare.

Back when Nick was fighting, a lot of athletes believed raw veganism to be the healthiest diet. But, theres a lot more information, data and experience on the other side of the spectrum now. More and more are realizing that it simply doesnt work. Especially for athletes.

I think a large reason why Nate was so thin and thrown around like a rag doll for much of his earlier career is he was eating predominantly plants. He even said that he was basically running on empty for years. That shift in diet and perspective is partially responsible for his resurgence at the end of his career imo.

That said, it does have a purpose and veganism can be a powerful cleansing and spiritual tool. Long term though, its suspect. Vegans are some of my best friends, ironically lol.

If you eat red meat, get it grass fed / finished and eat it raw. Underrated food. People are having success with the carnivore diet for a reason.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

In the past, I read a personal testimony from Nate Diaz about being a vegan. It said something like...He tried being a vegan(maybe because of nick?) one time.... then went back to eat how he did before but felt horrible. Also, Doing a press conference interview when asked about being a vegan... but Nate said, "google it" showing he was a vegan but did not want to answer the question. Last, I can remember a video on Nate saying eat your vegetables.

I read up that both were vegans. Heard Nate say he was but not so much with Nick but I read about Nick being a strong vegan. I read once time they are both raw vegans. That is pretty brutal but they say their energy levels are much higher doing it and feel better for fights.

There is a documentary on being a vegan called "Game Changer" ...it makes you want to be a vegan. I do not think being a vegan works for every one personally. It works for me but I hear too many people saying they had problems. I mean like after doing it for long periods. I told them maybe they should have ate meat once a month? ...I would listen to your body. Don't judge it until its been a month or two, and then Judge how you feel. I eat meat and fish once in awhile just because I like to.. But the rest is vegan.

I've seen the documentary and I've done pescatarian diets. I did feel physically weaker and didn't recover as quickly compared to eating white meat. I think they were vegans but not anymore. Nick Diaz is out drinking alcohol every weekend for the past few years. I doubt he was worried much about his body and what is body was taking in during that time.

Nate Diaz has gained more muscle and bulked up a bit compared to the days he was talking about being a vegan. The embedded/countdown episode from him eating fish tacos were from his most recent fights. Judging by his body type past and present, I think he's most likely pescatarian or someone that eats meat here and there, and probably eats mostly white meat.

I'm pretty positive they aren't pure vegan anymore. Being a real vegan has a lot of limitations on what you can eat.

Most vegans are vegans for ethical reasons. That won't be an issue once the lab grown/cloned meat is widescale. Lots of companies coming out with that soon so most vegans will convert to that in the future and there won't be any need for actual slaughter farms in the future. It could also eliminate meat viruses.