Ido talking about not training with vegans

[Jose Beehive]

They are really really fucking annoying. They are like those hardcore religious people that go out of there way to tell everyone there religion lol.

Usually they also develop this weird sense of moral superiority. After many months of not getting proper nutrition they start looking like skeletors and get a wierd tone on there skin. My coworker knew someone that went Vegan and also swears that they start smelling wierd too.

Furthermore most quit the Vegan diet after a while due to serious health issues. Heres a random example: Miley Cyrus “I was vegan for a very long time and I’ve had to introduce fish and omegas into my life because my brain wasn’t functioning properly,” she said. Miley said she also was having intense hip pain that she thinks was due to her vegan diet.” Cyrus is 28 years lol she should not be having hip pain like that.

Its a shit diet based off feelings more than anything. A proper diet is an omnivore diet that is a mix of animal proteins, grain, vegetables etc. Humans are fundamentally built to be omnivores. Its not even a controversial thing, science backs that consistently but people always fall for the new age dumbass diets constantly.

Ironic that your entire basis is based on feelings and anecdotal nonsense.

 

[CerebralKnievel]

Imagine feeling threatened by people who don't kill animals.

Another of those dimwitted little thought processes, not unlike believing oneself to be tough because of their political affiliation. Both common on this forum, as it obviously isn't flooded with a majority of deep thinkers.

 

[The Rivv]

Eat what you want don’t be a dick about it.

Meat eaters may be engaging in unethical practices or at least supporting financially livestock practices that are unnecessarily in humane.

Vegans may be self righteous assholes who value animal life more than humans who also may be financially supporting dangerous agricultural practices and the land that needs to be cleaned out to make room for crops.


Eat what you want. Be omnivorous for optimisation and peak performance on a more consistent level. Be Vegan if you have ethical objections to eating animals with complex and sophisticated nervous systems.

Both are fine and reasonable choices. Why can’t people respect people they disagree with?

 

[Jose Beehive]

Eat what you want don’t be a dick about it.

Meat eaters may be engaging in unethical practices or at least supporting financially livestock practices that are unnecessarily in humane.

Vegans may be self righteous assholes who value animal life more than humans who also may be financially supporting dangerous agricultural practices and the land that needs to be cleaned out to make room for crops.


Eat what you want. Be omnivorous for optimisation and peak performance on a more consistent level. Be Vegan if you have ethical objections to eating animals with complex and sophisticated nervous systems.

Both are fine and reasonable choices. Why can’t people respect people they disagree with?

LOL, I don't value animals over Humans(we are animals)... And most of that dangerous agriculture you talk of, is for the Livestock.

Do you not think it's important to try and spread the awareness of and prevent inhumane actions? We'd still have slavery with that mentality.

 

[Uber_Noober]

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[PunchKicker]

I think they'd have to be banging the cows.

Why? Their god didn't ban them from sexing with women and only allowing for boys.

 

[Jarvan]

There aren't that many serious vegan athletes. That said, Chris Paul went vegan recently and had a significant uptick in his performance.

The "vegans are weak" thing is a myth perpetuated by a generally stupid culture. There's zero evidence to back up these claims. Of course skinny vegan kids that only eat candy and never workout aren't strong, but people on balanced plant based diets perform as well as anyone else.

I said tell me 10
and you gave me one

How about name me 1 UFC mma champion that is vegan?

Where is YOUR evidence?

 

[PunchKicker]

I can say that i think though, that it's kinda weird (although not surprising) how much some people hate on vegans for basically wanting to make the world a better place.
Going vegan would imply that people who used to eat meat would have to stop it and thus dramatically change something which they've been used to, but the same thing goes for those who're preaching for people to not buy clothes made in child labor or by people who're enslaved to do so, yet i don't see as many people complaining about those being preachy.

See thats the thing. Vegans are hypocrites too just like everyone else. For a vegan to act like they are making the world a better place, it is implying the world isn't good enough because they aren't a vegan. In fact most vegans still use animal products in some form or fashion. Also growing enough vegan material to eat with and use for materials will require a shit ton of land and resources (aka pollution) to make, so you just removing one human problem (farm land wiping out forests, etc) and replacing it with another.

Also why are vegans so happy to kill plants, but so vehemently against it for animals? Another hole in their logic, unless they only ever eat the fruit of the plant and never harvest the plant while it is growing, which is never the case. Plants are living organisms just like animals. If you cut a hole in a tree, the tree absolutely 'feels' it and makes adjustments to try and repair itself.



So in the end vegans are full of shit and turn a blind eye to other areas besides the eating of animals. So thats why people hate on others who try to act all high and mighty on their mighty high horse.

 

[The UFC Brander Collector]

why is this in ufc discussion

who cares about this guy

Wtf else is there to talk about?
Go on the first page and give me one more fun thread

 

[Yep]

@Jose Beehive do you have pets? Do you subscribe to the movement to have vegan pet food?

 

[Luthien]

I can agree with Ido that a few too many Vegan clients
that I've worked with tend to make the easiest thing complicated.

 

[Jose Beehive]

@Jose Beehive do you have pets? Do you subscribe to the movement to have vegan pet food?

I don't... I think it's a super complicated area, but essentially i'm anti breeding and pro rescue as things currently are.

In terms of Pet food i'm also not sure, i'd have to do more research on the side effects of feeding animals that are typically meat eaters (Like Cats) none meat diets. I've heard it's possible with Dogs, no idea what problems may arise if any.

 

[RichyN]

I think its bull shit, it all comes down to your genetic make up. Yes diet has a role, but you can get supplements/proteins on a vegan diet that would make your diet comparable to a regular person's diet.

Look at gorillas and chimps, they are pure muscle on grass, bamboo, and fruit. And they don't even work out.

Genetics boys and girls. Genetics.

 

[PunchKicker]

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Could you elaborate on that?
I don't think i understand what you mean here (seriously).

I can say that i think though, that it's kinda weird (although not surprising) how much some people hate on vegans for basically wanting to make the world a better place.
Going vegan would imply that people who used to eat meat would have to stop it and thus dramatically change something which they've been used to, but the same thing goes for those who're preaching for people to not buy clothes made in child labour or by people who're enslaved to do so, yet i don't see as many people complaining about those being preachy.

I mean that there is what the majority has always done in society. Then some trend starts and say 5% opts for an alternative model. The majority talks shit about the alternative and the proponents of the alternative talks shit about the majority. What I offer to you is that the 5% has a bigger burden in the discussion. We are not opposing "equals". The majority by definition is expected to be louder. So I do not accept your premises.

And no people don't hate on vegans for wanting the world to be a better place. Please, that is cheap rethorics. Being vegan has shortcomings such as the lack of certain vitamins. So they feel a little bit antagonised when people like you go around with the loaded "making the world a better place" bit, while at the same time ignoring the shortcomings.

 

[Yep]

I think its bull shit, it all comes down to your genetic make up. Yes diet has a role, but you can get supplements/proteins on a vegan diet that would make your diet comparable to a regular person's diet.

Look at gorillas and chimps, they are pure muscle on grass, bamboo, and fruit. And they don't even work out.

Genetics boys and girls. Genetics.

I would also agree with this. I also believe it’s the future of meds to really get your genetic makeup and dose to it. And that includes nutrition. I am not vegan. I have nothing against vegans. I’m open to hear other people’s experience. I also get the religion comparison. Anything that gets preachy can be annoying. Including atheism and omnivores. I appreciate the conversation and perspectives. I do find vegan dog food really weird tho lol. And @Jose Beehive dogs are wonderful creatures who have extraordinary abilities. And adoption is a great way to add what can be an extremely healthy and emotionally fruitful relationship to your life. Cheers, guys. good conversation.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Why?

Well, i just don't see why in some cases mentioned, natural is equated to something being good and in some cases it isn't a criteria at all.

You are shooting next to the target, sorry. Phones are not good and should be avoided. Yet current modern society makes it increasingly difficult to live without a phone.

A diet that lacks essential elements should be avoided. Current society makes it very easy for one to decide on one's diet.

So both can and should be avoided, from a purely health perspective, not sure what is your point.

And lastly, yes natural is inherently better. I believe in the natural and for something artificial to be better I am going to need some haaaaaard facts.

Modern medicine is not natural but it is good for us when needed. That is beyond discussion. Antibiotics save lives and so does chirurgical interventions. Does not mean that one should take antibiotics when not sick and that one should cut himself up for fun.

IDK what you are trying to achieve with that sort of logic, man, totally lacks common sense. Yet I know you as a good poster. Weird.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Eating meat is probably ideal for athletics, but totally understand people being vegan/vegetarian for ethical reasons.
The food industry and factory farming are a moral atrocity.

thats my take. i do feel a little better eating meat. the reason i dont eat it is because i dont want to kill anyone and eat them.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Eat what you want don’t be a dick about it.

Meat eaters may be engaging in unethical practices or at least supporting financially livestock practices that are unnecessarily in humane.

Vegans may be self righteous assholes who value animal life more than humans who also may be financially supporting dangerous agricultural practices and the land that needs to be cleaned out to make room for crops.


Eat what you want. Be omnivorous for optimisation and peak performance on a more consistent level. Be Vegan if you have ethical objections to eating animals with complex and sophisticated nervous systems.

Both are fine and reasonable choices. Why can’t people respect people they disagree with?

"Why can't people respect people they disagree with"
And therein lies the problem. I don't have a problem with someone who is vegan but when the group of vegans wants to ban eating meat and claim eating meat is a danger to the planet then we have a problem. They seem like they mean well but lose me when they want to change the world and force their way of life on others. If their way was so good you don't need force.

 

[Human Bass]

Most people in western society don't need meat to survive, there are thousands and thousands of examples of this.
No ethics without individuals is debatable.
So again just because we did something, doesn't mean we have to now.

That's a good question, and some people discuss the idea of preventing death in the wild, it's a different conversation.

I need meat to live to my fullest. I wont have a miserable life eating some soy shit so some technocrats can feel good about this "new phase of humanity".