Ido talking about not training with vegans

[Jose Beehive]

I would also agree with this. I also believe it’s the future of meds to really get your genetic makeup and dose to it. And that includes nutrition. I am not vegan. I have nothing against vegans. I’m open to hear other people’s experience. I also get the religion comparison. Anything that gets preachy can be annoying. Including atheism and omnivores. I appreciate the conversation and perspectives. I do find vegan dog food really weird tho lol. And @Jose Beehive dogs are wonderful creatures who have extraordinary abilities. And adoption is a great way to add what can be an extremely healthy and emotionally fruitful relationship to your life. Cheers, guys. good conversation.

Oh I have lived with and grown up with dogs and cats, my mother has one I love to bits.. I just think the relationship we had in the past when they were more a mutual ally rather than owned is far closer to how i'd ideally like them be... I don't think we need to use them as tools anymore(perhaps some do), or should use them as some sort of surrogate baby, imo in an ideal world they are just free and choose to come chill with us... I detest breeders who profit from bringing life into the world when all the rescue centres are basically in an emergency situation with how many they get it, especially now during Covid times!
I also feel weird about our genetic splicing and dicing to fit our wants and needs, we have made them domesticated so they are very much our responsibility now, they cannot be free like they once were, same with most of the animals we farm.

 

[GaryEric]

Yes, they are hard core raw vegans.

I found between plant based and light fasting my energy level is good. One just has to just try it, to find out, how it affects them. I trust in what my body tells me or I will listen to what others tell me. All I know is that when I do it I get great results for energy level.

I also found, from what others have told me, that they get bad results from plant based diet. Many stories about long, mid, and short term problems with the plant diet. Especially the long term diet problems.

I like to follow how I feel and play with it. See what works and does not work. But, Science is there for a reason too. I guess it all depends who or what you trust. But, I recommend following how your body feels first.

If you start getting tired, upset, or just not the same as when you first started your diet when you felt good maybe the affect was more of a fasting feel. I would make sure your levels of energy stay in the right spot because I hear so many times people starting off good then falling off the cliff like they wanted to hold on then finally let go. Just tweak it here and there so you can maintain something that works for you.

 

[Jose Beehive]

I need meat to live to my fullest. I wont have a miserable life eating some soy shit so some technocrats can feel good about this "new phase of humanity".

You know most Soy goes towards feeding the Cows used for Beef and Milk? If you can't prioritise a living animal being killed against it's will over getting satisfaction on your tastebuds then I don't know what to tell you.
My idea of a full life is very different.

 

[Yep]

Oh I have lived with and grown up with dogs and cats, my mother has one I love to bits.. I just think the relationship we had in the past when they were more a mutual ally rather than owned is far closer to how i'd ideally like them be... I don't think we need to use them as tools anymore(perhaps some do), or should use them as some sort of surrogate baby, imo in an ideal world they are just free and choose to come chill with us... I detest breeders who profit from bringing life into the world when all the rescue centres are basically in an emergency situation with how many they get it, especially now during Covid times!
I also feel weird about our genetic splicing and dicing to fit our wants and needs, we have made them domesticated so they are very much our responsibility now, they cannot be free like they once were, same with most of the animals we farm.

That’s an interesting take. My argument is that you’re talking about a pack animal with dogs. They’re never truly free. They’re bound by their own genetics. I would argue that a dogs best life would be with someone that gives them a job and has room for them to run. Maybe not necessarily an urban environment.

 

[Jose Beehive]

"Why can't people respect people they disagree with"
And therein lies the problem. I don't have a problem with someone who is vegan but when the group of vegans wants to ban eating meat and claim eating meat is a danger to the planet then we have a problem. They seem like they mean well but lose me when they want to change the world and force their way of life on others. If their way was so good you don't need force.

Who is forcing you? And it's facts that most of the cut down Rainforest in Brazil is being used for creating agriculture to feed animals for factory farms... If Destroying a large provider(largest?!) of Oxygen to feed enslaved Animals which go on to cause the leading cause of death in the US and UK (and likely other places) isn't destroying the planet then I don't know what is.

If you felt that something deserved to live and people were lazily and problematically killing said life, then you'd probably have a pretty strong opinions too.

 

[textwarrior]

I don't think they are vegan but avoid meat as much as they can. In one of the embedded/countdown episodes he was eating fish tacos.

In the past, I read a personal testimony from Nate Diaz about being a vegan. It said something like...He tried being a vegan(maybe because of nick?) one time.... then went back to eat how he did before but felt horrible. Also, Doing a press conference interview when asked about being a vegan... but Nate said, "google it" showing he was a vegan but did not want to answer the question. Last, I can remember a video on Nate saying eat your vegetables.

I read up that both were vegans. Heard Nate say he was but not so much with Nick but I read about Nick being a strong vegan. I read once time they are both raw vegans. That is pretty brutal but they say their energy levels are much higher doing it and feel better for fights.

There is a documentary on being a vegan called "Game Changer" ...it makes you want to be a vegan. I do not think being a vegan works for every one personally. It works for me but I hear too many people saying they had problems. I mean like after doing it for long periods. I told them maybe they should have ate meat once a month? ...I would listen to your body. Don't judge it until its been a month or two, and then Judge how you feel. I eat meat and fish once in awhile just because I like to.. But the rest is vegan.

 

[chance mccoy]

Imagine feeling threatened by people who don't kill animals.

Lots of animals are killed harvesting grains and vegetables

 

[Jose Beehive]

That’s an interesting take. My argument is that you’re talking about a pack animal with dogs. They’re never truly free. They’re bound by their own genetics. I would argue that a dogs best life would be with someone that gives them a job and has room for them to run. Maybe not necessarily an urban environment.

It's a good point!
But who are we to dictate this, most animals get on fine without our interference. Or would without us initially tampering in the first place leading to a necessity of meddling.
Essentially I think (and this does sound hippy dippy) we all share the planet and nothing is above or below anything else, many believe intelligence or might gives us a right to meddle, but I don't know, Mankind is a baby species, shit was going okay before we tampered.

Kudos for your reasonable approach to conversation

 

[Jose Beehive]

Lots of animals are killed harvesting grains and vegetables

Most grains and vegetables are grown to feed non human animals.

 

[chance mccoy]

Most grains and vegetables are grown to feed non human animals.

The ones vegans eat are also

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Oh I have lived with and grown up with dogs and cats, my mother has one I love to bits.. I just think the relationship we had in the past when they were more a mutual ally rather than owned is far closer to how i'd ideally like them be... I don't think we need to use them as tools anymore(perhaps some do), or should use them as some sort of surrogate baby, imo in an ideal world they are just free and choose to come chill with us... I detest breeders who profit from bringing life into the world when all the rescue centres are basically in an emergency situation with how many they get it, especially now during Covid times!
I also feel weird about our genetic splicing and dicing to fit our wants and needs, we have made them domesticated so they are very much our responsibility now, they cannot be free like they once were, same with most of the animals we farm.

So thats basically the same as priests being religious leaders to god yet still love banging boys?

Who is forcing you? And it's facts that most of the cut down Rainforest in Brazil is being used for creating agriculture to feed animals for factory farms... If Destroying a large provider(largest?!) of Oxygen to feed enslaved Animals which go on to cause the leading cause of death in the US and UK (and likely other places) isn't destroying the planet then I don't know what is.

If you felt that something deserved to live and people were lazily and problematically killing said life, then you'd probably have a pretty strong opinions too.

Nobody is forcing me to eat vegetables only now but some would like to. You make a huge leap assuming i'm for factory farming. I made a post on here against corporate food/farming. If you are saying there isn't a sector of vegans interested in banning meat I would disagree.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...at-be-banned-save-planet-new-laws-environment

 

[Jose Beehive]

The ones vegans eat are also

Vegans the only dudes who eat Vegetables and Grains? lol

Alas you are right though, and it is very much a problem, but a much smaller one.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Nobody is forcing me to eat vegetables only now but some would like to. You make a huge leap assuming i'm for factory farming. I made a post on here against corporate food/farming. If you are saying there isn't a sector of vegans interested in banning meat I would disagree.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...at-be-banned-save-planet-new-laws-environment

Good, well you made a huge leap from saying "the group of vegans" and then using a source you were referring to.

No that's not what i'm saying. I would ban meat though as I don't think the consumers are the victims but the animals.

 

[JustBleed69]

nothing atrocious about killing animals, we are only here because our ancestors weren't all a bunch of vegans. I've killed dozens of chickens and I felt nothing much like they didn't feel anything when they ate insects

Notice how I said factory farming, not killing animals for food. Two different things.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Good, well you made a huge leap from saying "the group of vegans" and then using a source you were referring to.

No that's not what i'm saying. I would ban meat though as I don't think the consumers are the victims but the animals.

"I would ban meat though"
LOL. Who would give you that power and why do you deserve it? That's why normal people (vegans are outside the norm) are skeptical and hold most vegans in contempt. We are not forcing you to eat meat but you want to force your way of life on us. The "I know better mentality" has a dark history. If your way of life was so great people would follow you and want to be like you. Michael Jordan doesn't force anyone to buy his shoes or clothes.

 

[Jose Beehive]

"I would ban meat though"
LOL. Who would give you that power and why do you deserve it? That's why normal people (vegans are outside the norm) are skeptical and hold most vegans in contempt. We are not forcing you to eat meat but you want to force your way of life on us. The "I know better mentality" has a dark history. If your way of life was so great people would follow you and want to be like you. Michael Jordan doesn't force anyone to buy his shoes or clothes.

Zeus would, hypothetically of course.. Are you worried?
I am not forcing you to do anything, just saying I would vote on the side of 'Ban Meat'... You know like how most rational decisions are made.

 

[Brock Sapp]

Well off the top of my head I cant think of too many powerful vegans in MMA...uhh Jake Shields, the Diaz Brothers?

Gotta Ubereem up on horse meat man!

 

[Jose Beehive]

Well off the top of my head I cant think of too many powerful vegans in MMA...uhh Jake Shields, the Diaz Brothers?

Gotta Ubereem up on horse meat man!

They keep it secret, it's their secret weapon... Gives them the edge.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Well off the top of my head I cant think of too many powerful vegans in MMA...uhh Jake Shields, the Diaz Brothers?

Gotta Ubereem up on horse meat man!

Diaz brothers aren't vegan. They are pesceweedatarians. They eat fish and smoke weed.

 

[TidWell]

Various, the one I currently take is pretty cheap, Holland & Barrats own brand. It's 500µg and I take 2 a day.

I've put on weight(which is good for me), and muscle mass has increased slightly, though i've not put much effort into trying to bulk or anything.
Lol your Girlfriend is/was a nutter, how can taking supplements *with no animal products in* remotely challenge veganism.

I don't see much room for hardcore or not, it's simply just following:
" Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
Nothing more, nothing less.

You've got to do it because you want to, not because someone else is making you do it, when does that ever go well?

I think the options and information are improving by the day, there are things like Challenge 22 where they will help you find a balanced Vegan diet. Every time I go in a shop the Vegan alternatives have a new addition, it's great.

The way I see it is can you survive in the wild with a vegan diet alone and no fortified food or supplements? I know you can survive and get enough nutrients from a omnivore diet with wild caught game and veggies, nuts and berries.
So thats pretty much why I go with my diet today, I don't eat much red meat though but I still do like 3 times a month max. I mostly eat salmon, chicken and eggs. I eat a lot of bean soup though.