Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[DoctorTaco]

So they are keeping them busy when not needed for other things.

At least we can both agree they are not needed.

 

[oldshadow]

I thought you Trumpers were all about efficiency and cutting waste, but here we are paying the national guard to do janitorial work.

They have to be there to clean up the democrats crap anyway so I guess that includes picking up all trash including this stuff.

 

[oldshadow]

At least we can both agree they are not needed.

Those guys wete not needed at the time so they had them picking up trash while the others were picking up a different kind of trash.

 

[avenue94]

They have to be there to clean up the democrats crap anyway so I guess that includes picking up all trash including this stuff.

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you were in DC? Why not just have the NPS handle this. Oh right, we slashed their budget.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you were in DC? Why not just have the NPS handle this. Oh right, we slashed their budget.

Your TDS is getting out of hand bro.

 

[Hog-train]

If it's a mistake, the administration was and continues to be free to argue for that status to be changed in court. Until then, it stands. That's how laws and judicial rulings work.

They already rectified it as ordered by the judge. They facilitated his return. Now he'll be legally deported to Uganda.

Why are you so insistent on making an ass of yourself by repeatedly stressing that you didn't read the ruling.

First paragraph of the ruling: "The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal."

Additionally: "The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador"

Ok I'm mistaken there. But they facilitated his return. Now time to get deported the right way.

It can be done much faster than that. Most immigrants don't have the same issue as this case and can be sent back to their country of origin. Hire more lawyers and judges, it's that simple.

And odd you're complaining about housing even though deportations drive up the cost of housing (hint: illegal labor subsidizes construction costs heavily).

No it can't be done much faster because most migrants have false asylum claims - 2.4 million or more all claiming they're in some kind of political danger of being sent back.

Don't give a shit if a lot of construction is done by underpaid and undocumented illegals. If you require a permanent underclass being exploited in an industry, that industry needs to change. We need to pay more for construction.

Lol at your goal of deporting 11 million illegal immigrants. You might as well wish for the moon to be made of cheese.

I don't think we can realistically deport 11 million people, but I want to get as close as possible to it. Some reports show Biden let in 10 million during his four years.

And again, expedited removal was not what caused a due process violation. What caused it was the government botching a simple deportation and then doubling and tripling down.

Yea I know they fucked up by sending him to El Salvador initially. I'm talking about what's happening NOW.

Sending him to Uganda. The US already gave him due process to deport him years ago and they have a legal right (as affirmed by the Supreme Court) to send to a third party country.

So what due more due process does he need? It's established he will be deported already. And it's established they can send to a third party country.

He has no legal right to demand what country he's sent to.

So residents have a right to free speech but not to due process? Make it make sense.

The hell does this mean. Yes residents and anybody have a right to free speech. This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Again, I never argued expedited removal is inherently violation of due process. It still requires due process asnd adequate notice. I know you didn't read AARP v Trump, but come on, at least be familiar wtih that ruling.

You've clearly indicated more than once he didn't "have much notice" to contest his deportation. You're essentially complaining about expedited removal.

 

[avenue94]

Your TDS is getting out of hand bro.

I'd explain to you how Washington agonized over deploying troops to put down the Whiskey Rebellion or how MacArthur's participation in using the military to end the Bonus Army's push into DC was a stain on his record, but you're quite literally too stupid to grasp basic American civics and history.

America is unique in its removal of the military for domestic affairs, and Trump continues to erode that to embrace wannabe fascist ploys.

 

[avenue94]

They already rectified it as ordered by the judge. They facilitated his return. Now he'll be legally deported to Uganda.

Sure, they have their day in court to make their case for it.

Ok I'm mistaken there. But they facilitated his return. Now time to get deported the right way.

Were you mistaken because of mendacity or because you didn't read the decision but insisted you knew its content?

Don't give a shit if a lot of construction is done by underpaid and undocumented illegals. If you require a permanent underclass being exploited in an industry, that industry needs to change. We need to pay more for construction.

We have a massive homeless problem as well as a housing shortage and you want to literally spend that. WTF

Make up your mind: Do you want less homelessness (lower housing costs) or more homelessness (higher construction costs). Those are contradictor goals, you can't have both.

I don't think we can realistically deport 11 million people, but I want to get as close as possible to it. Some reports show Biden let in 10 million during his four years.

What's the point of doing that, besides your survivorship bias? Are we going to let in 10 million legal immigrants to compensate for that incredible economic drag you propose?

Yea I know they fucked up by sending him to El Salvador initially. I'm talking about what's happening NOW.

Sending him to Uganda. The US already gave him due process to deport him years ago and they have a legal right (as affirmed by the Supreme Court) to send to a third party country.

So what due more due process does he need? It's established he will be deported already. And it's established they can send to a third party country.

He has no legal right to demand what country he's sent to.

Well the government has its chance to make that case in court and in appeals if needed. Again, a more competent administration could have avoided this whole mess by just going through the proper legal channels, instead of giving him a chance to apply for asylum again because he's not back in the country.

The hell does this mean. Yes residents and anybody have a right to free speech. This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Both rights are in the constitution. I'm pointing out that you are cravenly picking and choosing which constitutional rights to apply in which situation. The constitution isn't a choose your own adventure, you take all of em of none of them if you're serious about living in a democracy with civil rights.

You've clearly indicated more than once he didn't "have much notice" to contest his deportation. You're essentially complaining about expedited removal.

I direct to yet another court ruling you plainly have not read, Trump v JGG, which applies o the AEA, an even stronger tool than expedited removal.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdf
"More specifically, in this context, AEA detainees must receive notice after the date of this order that they are subject to removal under the Act. The notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs"

 

[Hog-train]

Sure, they have their day in court to make their case for it.

They already made their case for it.

Were you mistaken because of mendacity or because you didn't read the decision but insisted you knew its content?

Just wording. I already acknowledged the government fucked up multiple times and it was an administrative error. Go reread what I said.

Make up your mind: Do you want less homelessness (lower housing costs) or more homelessness (higher construction costs). Those are contradictor goals, you can't have both.

That's a false strawman. We're not going to get more homelessness because contractors can't underpay and exploit undocumented labor.

What's the point of doing that, besides your survivorship bias? Are we going to let in 10 million legal immigrants to compensate for that incredible economic drag you propose?

The vast majority of the millions Biden let in under his term are a huge financial drag. We were surviving fine before 10 million new illegals came in during the last 4 years.

You're trying to falsely portray it like we're facing economic collapse if those all get deported.

Well the government has its chance to make that case in court and in appeals if needed. Again, a more competent administration could have avoided this whole mess by just going through the proper legal channels, instead of giving him a chance to apply for asylum again because he's not back in the country.

You obviously know nothing about how asylum works. He already got rejected for asylum years ago because you need to apply within one year of entering the country.

So he already got due process for his deportation and his asylum claim.

Both rights are in the constitution. I'm pointing out that you are cravenly picking and choosing which constitutional rights to apply in which situation. The constitution isn't a choose your own adventure, you take all of em of none of them if you're serious about living in a democracy with civil rights.

I already told you this multiple times. He already got his due process for his deportation. Choosing what country he wants to go to is not a thing nor legal right - at all.

I direct to yet another court ruling you plainly have not read, Trump v JGG, which applies o the AEA, an even stronger tool than expedited removal.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdf
"More specifically, in this context, AEA detainees must receive notice after the date of this order that they are subject to removal under the Act. The notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs"

This is still being litigated and in appeals. Hence due process.

You're complaining there's no due process as they're getting due process.

 

[avenue94]

They already made their case for it.

And now we wait for the judge to rule. You are consistency surprise pikachu face when I explain fundamentals of American civics to you.

Just wording. I already acknowledged the government fucked up multiple times and it was an administrative error. Go reread what I said.

I don't know how you misread to that extent, but you do you. It's ok to just admit you didn't read the ruling in the first place and relied on AI.

That's a false strawman. We're not going to get more homelessness because contractors can't underpay and exploit undocumented labor.

You'll get higher housing costs, and homelessness is primarily caused by high cost of living. Guess what population subsidizes the cost of groceries and housing the US?

The vast majority of the millions Biden let in under his term are a huge financial drag. We were surviving fine before 10 million new illegals came in during the last 4 years.

You're trying to falsely portray it like we're facing economic collapse if those all get deported.

Economic collapse is dramatic, but you have a rather obvious inability to think more than a year or 5 years down the road. It takes time to trade labor or get people paying in the system. If you want SS payments or elder care in the future, you got to start now.

I already told you this multiple times. He already got his due process for his deportation. Choosing what country he wants to go to is not a thing nor legal right - at all.

And again, his case is now in court again and up to the judge to decide, because that's how due process works. Due process isn't a checklist item you check off once and you're good for 5 years, it's inherent to every stage.

This is still being litigated and in appeals. Hence DUE PROCESS.

Which wasn't what I'm referring to.

You've clearly indicated more than once he didn't "have much notice" to contest his deportation. You're essentially complaining about expedited removal.

 

[Hog-train]

And now we wait for the judge to rule. You are consistency surprise pikachu face when I explain fundamentals of American civics to you.

I'm talking about due process for the deportation. They already had it years ago. Now it's just activist judges interfering and trying to throw in legal roadblocks everywhere.

Due process for deportation - check.
Due process for legal ability to deport to a third country - check.

You'll get higher housing costs, and homelessness is primarily caused by high cost of living. Guess what population subsidizes the cost of groceries and housing the US?

Too bad. You just have to pay more for fruit and construction costs. If you have to rely on severely underpaying illegals with zero safety and protection, there is something wrong with the industry.

That's not a legit argument - "We have to pay more for our smoothies!"

And I contest that homelessness would rise if they aren't allowed to exploit undocumented labor. The cost in social services, ER visits, food stamps and ESL schooling for their children FAR outpaces any savings we get for undocumented labor.

If you didn't have to subsidize all these illegals, all that money could go to solve homelessness. New York City alone was 8 billion in the red in one year just due to the migrant surge from Texas. That's 8 billion that could have been used for homelessness.

Economic collapse is dramatic, but you have a rather obvious inability to think more than a year or 5 years down the road. It takes time to trade labor or get people paying in the system. If you want SS payments or elder care in the future, you got to start now.

Most illegals still don't pay taxes. They work under the table, just send most of the money home and are a net financial drain.

Food stamps for their children, they have no insurance so just go to the ER which we all pay for, all the labor costs for pregnant illegals are shouldered by taxpayers, when they get into car accidents the victims don't get paid because most illegals don't have insurance, ESL schooling for their children, etc.

And most stay under the poverty line their entire lives here. So no we don't need them. They're a net drain.

And again, his case is now in court again and up to the judge to decide, because that's how due process works. Due process isn't a checklist item you check off once and you're good for 5 years, it's inherent to every stage.

Which wasn't what I'm referring to.

You're complaining there's no due process as they're actively getting due process in the Trump vs JGG case.

 

[Source]

It is a matter of time until states start prosecuting agents for unlawful activities.

 

[Hog-train]

Abrego Garcia applies for asylum AGAIN when he was already rejected in 2019. You're only allowed to apply for asylum within one year of entering the country and he entered in 2012.

This is just another attempt to muck up the courts so he can stay.

Abrego Garcia Requests Asylum in the United States

The request is another possible path for the Salvadoran man, who has already been deported and returned by the Trump administration, to remain in the country.

www.nytimes.com

 

[avenue94]

Abrego Garcia applies for asylum AGAIN when he was already rejected in 2019. You're only allowed to apply for asylum within one year of entering the country and he entered in 2012.

This is just another attempt to muck up the courts so he can stay.

Abrego Garcia Requests Asylum in the United States

The request is another possible path for the Salvadoran man, who has already been deported and returned by the Trump administration, to remain in the country.

www.nytimes.com

I have doubts about if the tactic will work, but he did just enter the country within the last year. So unless the law says it's a one time opportunity, which I suspect it doesn't.

I'm talking about due process for the deportation. They already had it years ago. Now it's just activist judges interfering and trying to throw in legal roadblocks everywhere.

Due process for deportation - check.
Due process for legal ability to deport to a third country - check.

Again, due process is required at every relevant stage. We already established this: due process was not afforded to him when he was deported to CECOT. If you feel the urge to relitigate it, write the Supreme Court for all I care.

Too bad. You just have to pay more for fruit and construction costs. If you have to rely on severely underpaying illegals with zero safety and protection, there is something wrong with the industry.

That's not a legit argument - "We have to pay more for our smoothies!"

And I contest that homelessness would rise if they aren't allowed to exploit undocumented labor. The cost in social services, ER visits, food stamps and ESL schooling for their children FAR outpaces any savings we get for undocumented labor.

If you didn't have to subsidize all these illegals, all that money could go to solve homelessness. New York City alone was 8 billion in the red in one year just due to the migrant surge from Texas. That's 8 billion that could have been used for homelessness.

Except almost every credible economic study shows more being paid in than being paid out. Their children are citizens, so idk why you insist on including them. And NYC didn't lose 8 billion, the government repaid them.

Construction and agriculture have always relied on underpaid labor, period. It's impractical to deport all of them, so you might as well create a path to citizenship.

Most illegals still don't pay taxes. They work under the table, just send most of the money home and are a net financial drain.

What part of the country is this where social security and sales taxes don't exist? Let me know so I can move there.

You're complaining there's no due process as they're actively getting due process in the Trump vs JGG case.

No, they're getting due process only after their cohort was denied it. The courts had to force the executive to observe it here, because the executive was trying to avoid it. Hence there are actually 2 court cases on this matter (AARP v Trump being the other).

If you're an executive who wants the judiciary to leave you alone, follow the rules and stop fucking with other branches. It's that simple.

 

[Hog-train]

I have doubts about if the tactic will work, but he did just enter the country within the last year. So unless the law says it's a one time opportunity, which I suspect it doesn't.

LOL that's complete bullshit. You can't get rejected for asylum, get deported and then apply for asylum AGAIN if you sneak back in. The rule is you can only get to apply for asylum if done within one year of your FIRST TIME ENTRY into the country. That's literally the law and always has been.

Some illegals have re-snuck back in multiple times after deportation. You're saying they can apply for asylum every time?

Stop being retarded for the sake of argument. You and I both know that is freaking stupid.

Again, due process is required at every relevant stage. We already established this: due process was not afforded to him when he was deported to CECOT. If you feel the urge to relitigate it, write the Supreme Court for all I care.

Again, the sending to CECOT was already dealt with because he was returned.

And you don't get due process for multiple asylum claims which are BS and fraudulent.

Except almost every credible economic study shows more being paid in than being paid out. Their children are citizens, so idk why you insist on including them. And NYC didn't lose 8 billion, the government repaid them.

Yea bullshit. I've seen plenty of studies saying the opposite.

All those "studies" you reference are done by pro-immigration organizations and only account for the minority - those paying taxes. Never takes into account social services used, ER hospital bills never paid, their anchor kids now getting food stamps, etc.

Construction and agriculture have always relied on underpaid labor, period. It's impractical to deport all of them, so you might as well create a path to citizenship.

AKA it's ok to exploit millions of undocumented labor forever because it's impractical. Let's have indentured servitude.

What part of the country is this where social security and sales taxes don't exist? Let me know so I can move there.

Only a portion of the millions of illegals are forced to pay into Social Security. It's because they work for a company that takes it out of their paycheck. No one willingly pays social security tax if they could avoid it.

There are literally millions of illegals that get paid under the table in cash - You think they pay social security tax on their own? LMAO.

No, they're getting due process only after their cohort was denied it. The courts had to force the executive to observe it here, because the executive was trying to avoid it. Hence there are actually 2 court cases on this matter (AARP v Trump being the other).

If you're an executive who wants the judiciary to leave you alone, follow the rules and stop fucking with other branches. It's that simple.

Bro if you can't see that this guy is trying to muck up the court process to delay his deportation, you're completely biased.

He ALREADY got rejected for asylum. AND he is not eligible because it has to be done within one year of entering - period.

Now he's applying AGAIN. WTF is that nonsense. So you get unlimited asylum tries?

 

[avenue94]

LOL that's complete bullshit. You can't get rejected for asylum, get deported and then apply for asylum AGAIN if you sneak back in. The rule is you can only get to apply for asylum if done within one year of your FIRST TIME ENTRY into the country. That's literally the law and always has been.

Some illegals have re-snuck back in multiple times after deportation. You're saying they can apply for asylum every time?

Well it appears there's nothing stopping one from applying again if circumstances changed. In this case, he would argue that he was tortured at CECOT. Whether that will fly in court, that's up to a judge.

Again, this is on the government for fucking up what should have been an easy process.

Again, the sending to CECOT was already dealt with because he was returned.

And you don't get due process for multiple asylum claims which are BS and fraudulent.

And that's what the judge is now receiving. Civics 101.

Yea bullshit. I've seen plenty of studies saying the opposite.

All those "studies" you reference are done by pro-immigration organizations and only account for the minority - those paying taxes. Never takes into account social services used, ER hospital bills never paid, their anchor kids now getting food stamps, etc.

AKA it's ok to exploit millions of undocumented labor forever because it's impractical. Let's have indentured servitude.

Let me guess, it's form CIS, which no serious scholar takes as credible. That's been refuted to death already on how bad the math is. We've even talked about it and you ran away because you couldn't' string together an argument or understand how economic studies work.

Like I said: provide a path to citizenship, it's the least we can do to the millions of laborers that citizens exploit in their daily lives via consumption. I'm personally willing to pay more for food, but plainly most Americans aren't (you're talking an double digit percentage increase in food costs alone by moving to all legal labor).

Only a portion of the millions of illegals are forced to pay into Social Security. It's because they work for a company that takes it out of their paycheck. No one willingly pays social security tax if they could avoid it.

There are literally millions of illegals that get paid under the table in cash - You think they pay social security tax on their own? LMAO.



Bro if you can't see that this guy is trying to muck up the court process to delay his deportation, you're completely biased.

He ALREADY got rejected for asylum. AND he is not eligible because it has to be done within one year of entering - period.

Now he's applying AGAIN. WTF is that nonsense. So you get unlimited asylum tries?

Congrats on yet another revelation. Yes, SS is mandatory, traditionally half comes from employer, half form withholdings. Immigrants almost always pay the former, and frequently pay the latter.

Do people working under the table not pay sales tax? Here's a hint: millions of citizens don't pay income taxes either, most of their taxation is similar to migrants, from sin taxes, sales, etc.

ro if you can't see that this guy is trying to muck up the court process to delay his deportation, you're completely biased.

He ALREADY got rejected for asylum. AND he is not eligible because it has to be done within one year of entering - period.

Now he's applying AGAIN. WTF is that nonsense. So you get unlimited asylum tries?

I can't hate a guy for playing a game for keeps when he's faced with being deported after already being tortured. It is what it is. If the government wants to win, do it court. They sure as heck have way more resources and advantages.

Why don't you read up on the asylum regulations you plainly have never read. Just like all those court cases you feign familiarity with but have never read.

My two cents: I won't lose sleep if he's deported after losing in court. But I also wouldn't lose sleep if he stays in America after the government violated his civil rights and sent him to a foreign prison to be tortured.

 

[Hog-train]

Well it appears there's nothing stopping one from applying again if circumstances changed. In this case, he would argue that he was tortured at CECOT. Whether that will fly in court, that's up to a judge.

Again, this is on the government for fucking up what should have been an easy process.

No it doesn't because it doesn't change the thing that eliminated his eligibility in the first place.

You have to apply for asylum WITHIN ONE YEAR of first entry. That's why it was immediately rejected in the first place. No circumstance will change that barrier.

You keep saying I don't know civics when it is you being obtuse. What don't you understand about this? You need to apply within one year of first entry.

And that's what the judge is now receiving. Civics 101.

Let me guess, it's form CIS, which no serious scholar takes as credible. That's been refuted to death already on how bad the math is. We've even talked about it and you ran away because you couldn't' string together an argument or understand how economic studies work.

I didn't reference CIS at all.

Like I said: provide a path to citizenship, it's the least we can do to the millions of laborers that citizens exploit in their daily lives via consumption. I'm personally willing to pay more for food, but plainly most Americans aren't (you're talking an double digit percentage increase in food costs alone by moving to all legal labor).

They can do a seasonal guest worker program with full protection, safety standards and fair pay any worker should get. As long as they follow up and made to return if they overstay their visa.

Congrats on yet another revelation. Yes, SS is mandatory, traditionally half comes from employer, half form withholdings. Immigrants almost always pay the former, and frequently pay the latter.

Do people working under the table not pay sales tax? Here's a hint: millions of citizens don't pay income taxes either, most of their taxation is similar to migrants, from sin taxes, sales, etc.

Sales tax is a tiny pittance compared to Social Security tax. Significantly more.

Way to completely ignore my point that millions of illegals get paid in cash under the table.

My step dad is a contractor in NY - literally all the illegals get paid under the table. Same with busboys, cooks, gardeners, painters, etc.

LMAO @ you thinking all those people are paying taxes.

I can't hate a guy for playing a game for keeps when he's faced with being deported after already being tortured. It is what it is. If the government wants to win, do it court. They sure as heck have way more resources and advantages.

That's the thing. It has already been done in court. He got rejected. You don't get unlimited tries. This is judicial activism.

Why don't you read up on the asylum regulations you plainly have never read. Just like all those court cases you feign familiarity with but have never read.

My two cents: I won't lose sleep if he's deported after losing in court. But I also wouldn't lose sleep if he stays in America after the government violated his civil rights and sent him to a foreign prison to be tortured.

You're the one who hasn't read anything about asylum rules. And then spouting off some ignorant bullshit.

It's very clear.

If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for asylum affirmatively or defensively, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within 1 year of your arrival to the United States.

Questions and Answers: Affirmative Asylum Eligibility and Applications | USCIS

If you were placed in expedited removal proceedings, you received a positive credible fear determination, and USCIS retained your asylum application for further consideration in an Asylum Merits Interview, please visit our Asylum Merits Interview with USCIS: Processing After a Positive Credible...

www.uscis.gov

 

[DoctorTaco]

Federal agents arrest firefighters working on WA wildfire

Two people fighting the Bear Gulch fire on the Olympic Peninsula were arrested by federal law enforcement Wednesday, in a confrontation described by firefighters and depicted in photos and video.

www.spokesman.com

Jesus

 

[Hog-train]

There's a tsunami of migrants still stuck in Mexico right at the border. Waiting for Trump's administration to be over.

 

[Osculater]

Federal agents arrest firefighters working on WA wildfire

Two people fighting the Bear Gulch fire on the Olympic Peninsula were arrested by federal law enforcement Wednesday, in a confrontation described by firefighters and depicted in photos and video.

www.spokesman.com

Jesus