Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[MrShady]

My position is that any actual errors are blown up and repeated by useful idiots, on top of a there being a barrage of straight up lies people like you repeat, and that there are people in the government actively working against America’s interests.
Your position is that we should submit to leftist terrorists because of optics. We aren’t the same.

I asked you a simple question and you're off on a tangent. Its a yes or no.

Has ICE made false arrests?

If your assertion is no, then I may as well be talking to a bot, because factually, that would be false, correct?

 

[sanguinius]

I asked you a simple question and you're off on a tangent. Its a yes or no.

Has ICE made false arrests?

If your assertion is no, then I may as well be talking to a bot, because factually, that would be false, correct?

You asked for my position and I gave it.

 

[MrShady]

You asked for my position and I gave it.

Has ICE made false arrests? Yes.

Will that false arrests cost taxpayers money? Yes.

Is that an efficient or effective use of taxpayer funds? No

Is ICE being effective or efficient? By the stats, no. Conservatives are actually mad deportations arent happening faster. By the false arrests, no.

If you're smart, you'll see what I'm getting at. ICE is making too many mistakes. And you're excusing them for it.

Theres nothing liberal or conservative about it. It's just math and facts at this point. I'll let you have your last emoji reaction and nonsensical post, I made my point and I'm moving on.

 

[sanguinius]

Has ICE made false arrests? Yes.

Will that false arrests cost taxpayers money? Yes.

Is that an efficient or effective use of taxpayer funds? No

Is ICE being effective or efficient? By the stats, no. Conservatives are actually mad deportations arent happening faster. By the false arrests, no.

If you're smart, you'll see what I'm getting at. ICE is making too many mistakes. And you're excusing them for it.

Theres nothing liberal or conservative about it. It's just math and facts at this point. I'll let you have your last emoji reaction and nonsensical post, I made my point and I'm moving on.

Oh, you'll allow me to post? How magnanimous of you. You're a liberal talking liberal talking points, repeating liberal lies, making excuses for liberals. Not a single one of your posts is about anything other than trump or ICE, you are an online RINO trying to sow discord, and that's the saddest thing that I've ever seen.
ICE is doing great work, and god bless them, even if they piss off the invaders and the evil people that allow them in.

 

[MrShady]

Oh, you'll allow me to post? How magnanimous of you. You're a liberal talking liberal talking points, repeating liberal lies, making excuses for liberals. Not a single one of your posts is about anything other than trump or ICE, you are an online RINO trying to sow discord, and that's the saddest thing that I've ever seen.
ICE is doing great work, and god bless them, even if they piss off the invaders and the evil people that allow them in.

And here you are in another topic, defending leftist terrorists and the activist judges that allow them to exist, in a topic about activist judges doing the very thing in a different situation.

The DOJ dropped the charges lmao, I didnt know the DOJ is liberal too

You could save a lot of time by not mentioning things you don’t know.

The move came after federal prosecutors filed a motion to dismiss their own case.

 

[lsa]

Well this is a bit funny

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt's relative detained by ICE

The mother of Leavitt's nephew is subject to deportation, sources said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Stoic1]

Well this is a bit funny

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt's relative detained by ICE

The mother of Leavitt's nephew is subject to deportation, sources said.

www.nbcnews.com

No one is above the law (tm).

But going after her for "suspicion of battery"? Telling me all the MS13, cartel members and gangbangers are gone? This is some low hanging fruit there, fellas.

 

[MrShady]

@sanguinius



Hopefully you're next

 

[ShadowRun]

@sanguinius



Hopefully you're next

There is more to it, of course....


A CBP spokesperson described the incident as: "During a traffic stop, a U.S. citizen, who was driving her illegal alien boyfriend's car, refused to comply with repeated lawfully given orders by law enforcement to identify herself. She was removed from the vehicle and briefly held while her identity was confirmed. She was promptly released once her identity was confirmed.

edit to add more context, of course the media wants to paint it a certain way

 

[MrShady]

There is more to it, of course....


A CBP spokesperson described the incident as: "During a traffic stop, a U.S. citizen, who was driving her illegal alien boyfriend's car, refused to comply with repeated lawfully given orders by law enforcement to identify herself. She was removed from the vehicle and briefly held while her identity was confirmed. She was promptly released once her identity was confirmed.

edit to add more context, of course the media wants to paint it a certain way

You're telling me in the state of FLORIDA, an illegal was able to register a car? Ok, I'll go with that.

Why was she stopped? ICE agents can't do traffic stops for solely traffic violations. They can stop a car and demand ID only if:

They have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that the OCCUPANTS are breaking immigration law, but this must be based on SPECIFIC, OBJECTIVE facts rather than appearance alone.

So, where was their probable cause that THIS occupant was violating immigration law?

"after she refused to present her driver's license and roll down her window when stopped"

This is so common practice but it's not legal. They can't ID you because they found out the car was registered to an illegal, supposedly, AFTER the initial stop because surely you would ask what was the reason for the stop in the first place, yes?

Notice how they said traffic stop, not traffic violation. And even then, as I said before, ICE can't do traffic stops unless for warrants or PC for the specific occupants inside.

A good lawyer would have a field day with this, imo.

 

[ShadowRun]

You're telling me in the state of FLORIDA, an illegal was able to register a car? Ok, I'll go with that.

Why was she stopped? ICE agents can't do traffic stops for solely traffic violations. They can stop a car and demand ID only if:

They have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that the OCCUPANTS are breaking immigration law, but this must be based on SPECIFIC, OBJECTIVE facts rather than appearance alone.

So, where was their probable cause that THIS occupant was violating immigration law?

"after she refused to present her driver's license and roll down her window when stopped"

This is so common practice but it's not legal. They can't ID you because they found out the car was registered to an illegal, supposedly, AFTER the initial stop because surely you would ask what was the reason for the stop in the first place, yes?

Notice how they said traffic stop, not traffic violation. And even then, as I said before, ICE can't do traffic stops unless for warrants or PC for the specific occupants inside.

A good lawyer would have a field day with this, imo.

My understanding on this is no, agents don't need probable cause to pull you over just reasonable suspicion for immigration related stops.

This was part of an ongoing immigration sweep in the Key Largo area (and broader Florida Keys) that has been active for several weeks. Maybe they knew the car and plates were the boyfriends and were looking for it ??.. What is dumb is the media trying to play the narrative, American girl gets arrested by ICE with no other details. To demonize ICE which doesn't help, no one. The flip side hardcore MAGA chuds won't believe some of the mistakes and harsh things ICE have done because of media credabitilty..

She got detained for not cooperating, nothing new there. I use to have to drive through a border patrol check point everyday I worked/ That was 40 miles from the border and had to show ID, open the trunk at times, pull over let them search with dogs at times as well.

 

[MrShady]

My understanding on this is no, agents don't need probable cause to pull you over just reasonable suspicion for immigration related stops.

You are correct, which is why I said

"They have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that the OCCUPANTS are breaking immigration law, but this must be based on SPECIFIC, OBJECTIVE facts rather than appearance alone."

This was part of an ongoing immigration sweep in the Key Largo area (and broader Florida Keys) that has been active for several weeks. Maybe they knew the car and plates were the boyfriends and were looking for it ??.. What is dumb is the media trying to play the narrative, American girl gets arrested by ICE with no other details. To demonize ICE which doesn't help no one.

I'm surprised in the state of FLORIDA an illegal is able to have registered plates...

Ok. The car is registered to an illegal Male. What about the occupant specifically allowed ICE to stop, detain and ID?

She got detained for not cooperating, nothing new there.

Does she have to cooperate? Objectively, do you have to cooperate IF you are not breaking the law? I'm asking in the context of an immigration check/check point.

I use to have to drive through a border patrol check point everyday I worked/ That was 40 miles from the border and had to show ID, open the trunk at times, pull over let them search with dogs at times as well.

Actually, you DON'T have to show ID, open the trunk. You chose to do that and cooperated.

But if you know your laws, your rights, it's your choice if you want to "cooperate" and give up your rights and make their job easier.

 

[ShadowRun]

You are correct, which is why I said

"They have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that the OCCUPANTS are breaking immigration law, but this must be based on SPECIFIC, OBJECTIVE facts rather than appearance alone."



I'm surprised in the state of FLORIDA an illegal is able to have registered plates...

Ok. The car is registered to an illegal Male. What about the occupant specifically allowed ICE to stop, detain and ID?



Does she have to cooperate? Objectively, do you have to cooperate IF you are not breaking the law? I'm asking in the context of an immigration check/check point.



Actually, you DON'T have to show ID, open the trunk. You chose to do that and cooperated.

But if you know your laws, your rights, it's your choice if you want to "cooperate" and give up your rights and make their job easier.

Yea I'm not sure, I guess she will get her day in court if she didn't need to show ID to prove her status as a legal citizen .


As for my dealing in the past I am not sure that's true about not having to show ID or pop the trunk at the border patrol check point. I never pressed the issue you may be right. Is that the sovereign citizens type of points? I never see it work out in their favor.

 

[MrShady]

Yea I'm not sure, I guess she will get her day in court if she didn't need to show ID to prove her status as a legal citizen .


As for my dealing in the past I am not sure that's true about not having to show ID or pop the trunk at the border patrol check point. I never pressed the issue you may be right. Is that the sovereign citizens type of points? I never see it work out in their favor.

Let me preface this with, sovereign citizens are retarded. But when you are going through border patrol check points, I'm almost certain you actually don't have to prove your citizenship. And, as we discussed before, they cannot do traffic stops unless directly related to you violating immigration law, which they need reasonable suspicion for. So, the whole interaction seems to be a 4th amendment issue.

Now, if you ask me, what makes your time and situation easier? Of course, you show ID when asked, right? "If you're innocent, what do you have to be afraid of" is the prompt many officers are trained to operate by when dealing with civilians.

But if you're asking me if you have to give up your 4th amendment and rights in order to prove your status/citizenship when at a checkpoint ? Fuck no.

 

[ShadowRun]

Let me preface this with, sovereign citizens are retarded. But when you are going through border patrol check points, I'm almost certain you actually don't have to prove your citizenship. And, as we discussed before, they cannot do traffic stops unless directly related to you violating immigration law, which they need reasonable suspicion for. So, the whole interaction seems to be a 4th amendment issue.

Now, if you ask me, what makes your time and situation easier? Of course, you show ID when asked, right? "If you're innocent, what do you have to be afraid of" is the prompt many officers are trained to operate by when dealing with civilians.

But if you're asking me if you have to give up your 4th amendment and rights in order to prove your status/citizenship when at a checkpoint ? Fuck no.

Interesting i thought it was more of a gray area in some of that especially with local cops, county , state and Feds . @Darkballs good sir what do you think of this discussion, if you don’t mind.

 

[Andy Capp]

Well this is a bit funny

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt's relative detained by ICE

The mother of Leavitt's nephew is subject to deportation, sources said.

www.nbcnews.com

Not really. It looks like Leavitt's brother sicked ICE on her so he could get full custody of the kid since he's with another woman now.

 

[Darkballs]

Interesting i thought it was more of a gray area in some of that especially with local cops, county , state and Feds . @Darkballs good sir what do you think of this discussion, if you don’t mind.

I'd have to break out the old law books to give you an answer on this one.

Are you talking about that one gal who got pulled out of her car while yelling she's a citizen? I only saw clips of that one.

 

[ShadowRun]

I'd have to break out the old law books to give you an answer on this one.

Are you talking about that one gal who got pulled out of her car while yelling she's a citizen? I only saw clips of that one.

I’ll try to rehash

For this she was pulled over in an ice zone where they been doing checks … the car belonged to her illegal bf, they pull her over she doesn’t want to show ID, doesn’t cooperate. They force her out and arrest her which is the video . She is let go.

Now to add this discussion with me and sir @MrShady

About having to show ID , Feds pulling you over vs cops . Border patrol check points like I’ve experienced… see below and thanks for the reply

Yea I'm not sure, I guess she will get her day in court if she didn't need to show ID to prove her status as a legal citizen .


As for my dealing in the past I am not sure that's true about not having to show ID or pop the trunk at the border patrol check point. I never pressed the issue you may be right. Is that the sovereign citizens type of points? I never see it work out in their favor.

Let me preface this with, sovereign citizens are retarded. But when you are going through border patrol check points, I'm almost certain you actually don't have to prove your citizenship. And, as we discussed before, they cannot do traffic stops unless directly related to you violating immigration law, which they need reasonable suspicion for. So, the whole interaction seems to be a 4th amendment issue.

Now, if you ask me, what makes your time and situation easier? Of course, you show ID when asked, right? "If you're innocent, what do you have to be afraid of" is the prompt many officers are trained to operate by when dealing with civilians.

But if you're asking me if you have to give up your 4th amendment and rights in order to prove your status/citizenship when at a checkpoint ? Fuck no.

 

[Darkballs]

I’ll try to rehash

For this she was pulled over in an ice zone where they been doing checks … the car belonged to her illegal bf, they pull her over she doesn’t want to show ID, doesn’t cooperate. They force her out and arrest her which is the video . She is let go.

Now to add this discussion with me and sir @MrShady

About having to show ID , Feds pulling you over vs cops . Border patrol check points like I’ve experienced… see below and thanks for the reply

Things like these tend to play out on a case-by-case basis.

For this one: The Constitution only requires "reasonable articulable suspicion," for the stop. So if the Feds knew they were stopping a car registered to an illegal, I'd say they were within their rights to ask for ID if the driver met the description of the guy they were looking for. Since this is a white chick, her argument would be they didn't have reasonable articulable suspicion that she had committed a crime, therefor she didn't have to show them anything. The Feds argument would have to be that because she was driving a car registered to an illegal, that maybe she was involved in something criminal. But the Constitution requires that stop to be no longer than necessary to determine whether or not a crime had been committed.

Regardless of how that went, the Feds would also be required to release the girl the moment they can't articulate a possible crime. So I'm not sure how they would argue that they needed to ID her because, maybe in the vague sense she was committing a crime by assisting an illegal?

This is one of those things that's kinda right on the line, and would depend on how good each side is argued in court. Anyway, that's my quick read of it, assuming I've got the basic facts right.

 

[heloder]

Reminder that these fascist cunts are still out here tearing families apart while assaulting and disappearing people off American streets:

Vancouver family says ICE agents ran over man as he was being detained