I Truly Hate the Supplement Industry

Mihow said:
Calcium Citrate, Cellulose Gel, Magnesium Oxide, Talc, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Croscarmellose Sodium, Titanium Dioxide (artificial color), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Magnesium Stearate, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol), Mineral Oil, Sodium Borate, Manganese Gluconate, Cupric Gluconate, Triethyl Citrate, Polyethylene Glycol, Corn Starch, Polysorbate 80, Soybean Oil, Carnauba Wax.

compared to say:

Dicalcium phosphate, Cellulose, Titanium Dioxide (Natural Mineral Whitener), Vegetable Acetoglycerides

You tell me, which products look like you want to use it more? These are the 'other ingredients' listed on the label (italics on the top one are the actual calcium, magnesium, zinc and vit d so ignore them as line #2 only shows how the pill is made). Top one is Kirkland bottom one is from a scummy, socialist, pig company.
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capitalist pig company, not socialist.


I noticed that Kirkland has a long list of "non-vitamin" ingredients, as does Muscle Milk. Both of which Madmick loves. Interesting.
 
Mihow said:
No, you did not. And no, I did not. Look at all your posts ... the hateful attitude towards me is disgusting. I'm a person who enjoys his work and you're calling me butthurt over things you said where I'm just pointing out how incredibly wrong you have been on every post. Most people are incredibly wrong when they hate on GNC but this is the first time someone has been incredibly hateful, ignorant and unwilling to even have a discussion.
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Wrong about what? That you get more fish oil for your dollar at Costco, or that it doesn't require a prescription to get? Oh, that's right...you= pwned; GNC= pwned.

Get over your butthurt. You ran into someone who knows more than you and is willing to call you on your bullshit. I don't require your input as you have nothing to teach me. Costco is socialist in your fucked up brainwashed world.

I noticed that Kirkland has a long list of "non-vitamin" ingredients, as does Muscle Milk. Both of which Madmick loves. Interesting.
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Most of those are delivery agents. Remember what I said about enteric-coated and time-released? GNC simply doesn't specify the exact compounds it uses: only that there are "Vegetable Acetoglycerides." Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, for example, is derived in exactly the same manner as vegetable acetoglycerides (from cellulose). The very name "Acetoglyceride" indicates that the compound is semi-synthetic, not organic. Anyone with a background in chemistry will immediately identify this. They've replaced the hydrogen group with an acetyl group. GNC boy, here, is ignorant...and his ignorance is part of the machine.

Here's more info on the subject (I'm a bit loathe to post this page as its source material is the charlatan Mindell's Vitamin Bible, but the cursory information is grounded and well-organized):
A tablet binder and all those other non-active ingredients in supplements.

And Oyaji, I don't know what your deal with Muscle Milk is, but you need to get over it.
 
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ElKarlo said:
That's make one then:icon_chee

But for real, a skinny-fat Indian guy is not the kinda guy that you want pushing health products.
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I totally agree with you. I look around and I'm embarassed at the people that are working for GNC. I know a hell of a lot more about fitness and nutrition than my own boss. All they teach you when you get hired at GNC is what's in the products they want you to push. You don't need to know shit to be a good salesman at GNC. I'm the only sales associate that educates the customers about nutrition.
 
livingdeadmoose said:
I totally agree with you. I look around and I'm embarassed at the people that are working for GNC. I know a hell of a lot more about fitness and nutrition than my own boss. All they teach you when you get hired at GNC is what's in the products they want you to push. You don't need to know shit to be a good salesman at GNC. I'm the only sales associate that educates the customers about nutrition.
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blah blah blah. Go to college and be a nutritionist if you feel that strongly about a subject. GNC is a sales position at every level. Saying you know more than your boss means nothing ... do the job you're hired to do.

EDIT: If this wasn't in the dieting/supplementation tab of the website Madmick would have been banned for the his posts. What a joke.
 
Mihow said:
blah blah blah. Go to college and be a nutritionist if you feel that strongly about a subject. GNC is a sales position at every level. Saying you know more than your boss means nothing ... do the job you're hired to do.

EDIT: If this wasn't in the dieting/supplementation tab of the website Madmick would have been banned for the his posts. What a joke.
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I do my job very well but I have every right to complain about my job. Don't know why you have to respond like that when I am trying to have a civil discussion. And no, I didn't go to school to be a nutritionist, but I went to school to get certified as a personal trainer and am very knowledgeble about nutrition. I was just saying I wish the entire supplement industry, not just GNC, would shape up.
 
livingdeadmoose said:
I do my job very well but I have every right to complain about my job. Don't know why you have to respond like that when I am trying to have a civil discussion. And no, I didn't go to school to be a nutritionist, but I went to school to get certified as a personal trainer and am very knowledgeble about nutrition. I was just saying I wish the entire supplement industry, not just GNC, would shape up.
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He's just crying because he likes to think he's a nutrition expert when he couldn't even pass a community college Chem 101 course, and he got called on it. Shake it off; don't pay attention to posters like him. They have nothing to offer the rest of us.
 
livingdeadmoose said:
I do my job very well but I have every right to complain about my job. Don't know why you have to respond like that when I am trying to have a civil discussion. And no, I didn't go to school to be a nutritionist, but I went to school to get certified as a personal trainer and am very knowledgeble about nutrition. I was just saying I wish the entire supplement industry, not just GNC, would shape up.
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You're not complaining about your job. You're complaining about how other people in your position do your job and I agree with you for the most part so me and you are not at odds. But Madmick is just being dumb. He's says he's been calling me out on things I don't or can't understand but he's just been blabbing very un-civiliy about random shit no one but he has brought up.
 
DragonofMetsu said:
Mihow, how much is GNC paying you for this defense?
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Their not. Their paying me to do my job, which I do and enjoy. But the hate that GNC receives is laughable and I enjoy pointing out how absolutely wrong most of the GNC criticism really is.
 
livingdeadmoose said:
I totally agree with you. I look around and I'm embarassed at the people that are working for GNC. I know a hell of a lot more about fitness and nutrition than my own boss. All they teach you when you get hired at GNC is what's in the products they want you to push. You don't need to know shit to be a good salesman at GNC. I'm the only sales associate that educates the customers about nutrition.
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Yeah that just doesn't make sense. Why would people want to buy stuff from people obviously in obvioulsy terrible shape? It's a health store for crying out loud!
Back in MoCo I only knew of one store where they guy didn't read the label at me.
 
Madmick said:
Most of those are delivery agents. Remember what I said about enteric-coated and time-released? GNC simply doesn't specify the exact compounds it uses: only that there are "Vegetable Acetoglycerides." Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, for example, is derived in exactly the same manner as vegetable acetoglycerides (from cellulose). The very name "Acetoglyceride" indicates that the compound is semi-synthetic, not organic. Anyone with a background in chemistry will immediately identify this. They've replaced the hydrogen group with an acetyl group. GNC boy, here, is ignorant...and his ignorance is part of the machine.

Here's more info on the subject (I'm a bit loathe to post this page as its source material is the charlatan Mindell's Vitamin Bible, but the cursory information is grounded and well-organized):
A tablet binder and all those other non-active ingredients in supplements.
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thanks for the link, and the tips.



Madmick said:
And Oyaji, I don't know what your deal with Muscle Milk is, but you need to get over it.
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Madmick, you're all hyped up after storming back into the D&S and tangling with a GNC employee. I'm sure Muscle Milk is a fine product, and you seem to enjoy it on a personal level. But it's a bit expensive. Granted, it's not ridiculously expensive like Primal Fuel, but the website I buy from with the cheap shipping doesn't sell it. Therefore, a jug of MM costs double with shipping. Therefore, I can't afford to it - which is all I have said about it.
 
Mihow said:
Their not. Their paying me to do my job, which I do and enjoy. But the hate that GNC receives is laughable and I enjoy pointing out how absolutely wrong most of the GNC criticism really is.
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I just complain about the people they hire and their care salesman attitude which I am completely against, not the GNC products themselves. I don't mind my job, I certainly like the discounts :icon_chee, but I will have to quit once I pick up more clients.
 
Moose: NP, you should stop defending yourself by the way against someone frothing at the mouth.

Mihow: That's cool that they're not paying you for this, but disproving false GNC claims and mudslinging need not go hand in hand and makes your position look weaker.

Oyaji: How is Primal Fuel expensive? It's derived from the FINEST ingredients, and Grok would've certainly scarfed it down.(lol)
 
^I think you're overdefending yourself against Mihow when I didn't find nothing wrong with your posts
 
oyaji poi said:
Madmick, you're all hyped up after storming back into the D&S and tangling with a GNC employee. I'm sure Muscle Milk is a fine product, and you seem to enjoy it on a personal level. But it's a bit expensive. Granted, it's not ridiculously expensive like Primal Fuel, but the website I buy from with the cheap shipping doesn't sell it. Therefore, a jug of MM costs double with shipping. Therefore, I can't afford to it - which is all I have said about it.
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You're right, I'm a bit worked up. It's hard not to get a bit frustrated when someone insists how much he likes to put people in their place over GNC arguments (at the very moment said person is being absolutely throttled in a GNC argument). Out of curiosity, what is the website you use? You found a better deal than Bulk Nutrition? When I was on a string budget, I always went to them for protein in a bag (it's not like I don't have a million empty plastic canisters lying around, lol). I'm always open-minded to deals, OP, I can tell you that.

Anyways, sorry for being a dick. I was unfairly conflating your post in the poll thread with the poster who added the video that implied a link between Muscle Milk and metrosexuality (and you know how much I hate metrosexuals, bro). Cost is a major factor in supplement decisions. As you can see, I'm angry over all the dollars the supplement industry bamboozled from me in college and high school.
 
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And in any case, the most informative post in this thread is Sinister's at #27. As usual, I'm 100% with my old homie. All regulation does is allow the big corporations to squeeze out egdy but useful cutting edge technology marketed by their competitors; one need only pick up a single book on the relationship of the FDA to the pharmaceutical machine to realize this (I recommend this one: Amazon.com: Inside the FDA: The Business and Politics Behind the Drugs We Take and the Food We Eat (9780471610915): Fran Hawthorne: Books). They advocate consumer choice only insofar as it doesn't cut into their profits.

I'm pro-Capitalist and anti-regulation as a rule (although everything in this world has exceptions and context).

But if I leave this thread with any underlying message: it's that, IMO, Costco is a great example of the best face of Capitalism while GNC is an example of the worst.
 
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Madmick said:
You're right, I'm a bit worked up. It's hard not to get a bit frustrated when someone insists how much he likes to put people in their place over GNC arguments (at the very moment said person is being absolutely throttled in a GNC argument). Out of curiosity, what is the website you use? You found a better deal than Bulk Nutrition?
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No worries. I shop at iherb.com. For where I live the shipping is about half the cost and twice as fast (Japan).

I just checked BN, they won't ship MM to Japan. vitacost will though, but the shipping for a 5lb tub is $30 and takes 1-2 weeks. 5lb of whey from iherb costs $14 for shipping and takes usually only a few days.
 
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