I thought North Korea was the ****ed up side?

[Rex Kwon Do]

So, nothing economy building then? I've read a lot on Korean history, so I know how the miracle on the Han came about.

Well I'd say keeping the populace fed and importing raw materials for industry definitely falls under economy building. Plus, didn't we give them favorable trade deals that they would have been less competitive, economically, without?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Almost as well as Maduro's Venezuela that you never fail to stick up for.
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Number of countries Venezuela has invaded and turned into shit: 0

Number of countries the US has invaded and turned into shit: Dozens. Probably close to triple digits.

 

[ironwolf]

I'm talking the creation of it's economy . Not the existance of the state .

The reason why some Koreans are resentful of America is that the only economy America contributed to is prostitution , which didn't exist before America's insistence . They didn't have nothing to do with economic infastructure and the building of the south korean economy though . But don't get me wrong , post war aide and military aide were indeed to credit the states existence but i'm talking primarily how it became the most successful economic story in history and that wasn't because America .

Prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. I'm sure it was in Korea long before America showed up.

 

[Rod1]

I'm talking the creation of it's economy . Not the existance of the state .

The reason why some Koreans are resentful of America is that the only economy America contributed to is prostitution , which didn't exist before America's insistence . They didn't have nothing to do with economic infastructure and the building of the south korean economy though . But don't get me wrong , post war aide and military aide were indeed to credit the states existence but i'm talking primarily how it became the most successful economic story in history and that wasn't because America .

You cant possibly claim that prostitution didnt existed in Korea before the US, thats ridiculous, prostitution is the oldest profession there is.

Even Saudi Arabia has prostitution.

South Korea is one of the few countries in the world that cant under any circumstance claim that they were shafted by the US, the US freed you from Japan and then freed you from the Soviets.

Thousands of Americans died to protect South Korean.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

So the political party under which these Korean atrocities occurred was defeated in war and has now been outlawed in the country?

Too stupid for words.

 

[ironwolf]

Prostitution has existed everywhere for all time. Claiming otherwise smacks of exceptionalism and I don't accept it. Facets of it may have changed, but as long as there has been something worth exchanging men have exchanged it with women for sex.

That's pretty "first world problem" if Koreans are resentful of Americans, 37,000 of whom died not to defend their own country but South Koreans', because some girls ended up becoming hookers for them. If there was widespread raping and pillaging I'd understand, but if they were having sex willingly and were being compensated, then meh. I support the legalization of prostitution so I don't see it as some great evil. Much ado (and taboo) about nothing.

Also, the US imported hundreds of thousands of tons of food to feed the population in the late 40s, many who would have starved to death otherwise.

As far as aid, the US gave $1.75 billion in the period of 1953-1960. The UN's Korean assistance fund, in comparison? $120 million. That's about 15 times more aid from the US than the entire "community of nations." By the late 50s a whopping 70% of imports were funded by foreign organizations, which we've already seen were dominated by the US. That included essentials like food as well as raw materials necessary to help build the country.

America definitely invested in South Korea, financially. Did it taper off? Of course, and rightfully so. You invest the most when the nation is fledgling, not when it's getting its shit together. South Korea needed to walk on her own two feet eventually, and she did. But she would have starved to death or had been a slave before that was possible without both military and economic aid.

It's true. In China, people deny pro situation exists up and down....yet there are literally hundreds of whore houses in every city here.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Because economic success trumps human atrocity. Spoken like a true conservative.

By the time the 80's rolled around they still had very little time in self governance. They were the buffer between China and Japan, both used Koreans. Japan occupied Korea until the the end of WW2 then became a divided nation. It was not that long after WW2 that South Korea was invaded. In the 60's grass roofing was still common and dirt roads were common in many urban areas.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

People tend to forget that North Korea wasn't always the retarded child of the two Koreas. Until the late 1970's, it was actually the better developed part of the Korean Peninsula. It was only after the collapse of the Soviet Union that they turned into a total bizzaro state that they are today. South Korea was ran by an authoritarian government until massive protests forced political reforms in the 1980's. The South Korean military-junta did their fair share of human right abuses back when it was in power.

North Korea was still evil in the 50's, 60's, and, 70's. South Korea was a nation recovering from two invasions and trying to find itself while also trying to maintain security.

 

[Banchan]

You cant possibly claim that prostitution didnt existed in Korea before the US, thats ridiculous, prostitution is the oldest profession there is.

Even Saudi Arabia has prostitution.

South Korea is one of the few countries in the world that cant under any circumstance claim that they were shafted by the US, the US freed you from Japan and then freed you from the Soviets.

Thousands of Americans died to protect South Korean.

Prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. I'm sure it was in Korea long before America showed up.

There were no brothels or prostitutes .

You had concubines for the elite but not actual prostitution .

It was a specific grievance by American military and the government had to create the industry for American troops .

I think you have no idea how conservative korean society was .

 

[Banchan]

It's true. In China, people deny pro situation exists up and down....yet there are literally hundreds of whore houses in every city here.

You can read about it yourself . There are books on the subject and all support the statement that it just did not exist . Even western literature supports this . If you were wealthy you had concubines . Thats about it .

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

There were no brothels or prostitutes .

You had concubines for the elite but not actual prostitution .

It was a specific grievance by American military and the government had to create the industry for American troops .

I think you have no idea how conservative korean society was .

There was not much left of Korean society after so much occupation being a buffer zone. My Korean mother was around during the occupation in the 40's. She also thought the North Koreans were even more in Seoul than the Japanese were.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

There were no brothels or prostitutes .

You had concubines for the elite but not actual prostitution .

It was a specific grievance by American military and the government had to create the industry for American troops .

I think you have no idea how conservative korean society was .

Actually there were but they were small in number. Many of the women that would have been the right age were scattered and it would take a long time to remedy itself.

 

[Thurisaz]

I've stated previously I enjoy your posts, this one I don't understand. We have free will, and exercising it is appropriate. I see things different probably on issues like pornography, from the Christian viewpoint it's seen as lustful. However I don't see many people lust for the individual. I could even argue that one lusts for their wife or significant other since it's sexual desire. It's natural to procreation.

I didn't think it through that much when I wrote it. But the point is that I've seen some of those guys who self select a Darwin award rather than put their ego on the line, because porn is that much easier, and the dudes who choose that never amount to anything. They become Onan from the Bible in all but name. Despite what Kinsey and other perverts have claimed for a long time now jacking off isn't good for you. It saps one's motivation, energy and turns the brain into mush. It is a drug addiction. It is also ubiquitous, which is another problem, especially for those who have kids.

I really don't know what could be the best answer to porn. I only know it's poison.

 

[indo80]

I didn't think it through that much when I wrote it. But the point is that I've seen some of those guys who self select a Darwin award rather than put their ego on the line, because porn is that much easier, and the dudes who choose that never amount to anything. They become Onan from the Bible in all but name. Despite what Kinsey and other perverts have claimed for a long time now jacking off isn't good for you. It saps one's motivation, energy and turns the brain into mush. It is a drug addiction. It is also ubiquitous, which is another problem, especially for those who have kids.

I really don't know what could be the best answer to porn. I only know it's poison.

Will still hand bang

 

[Orgasmo]

North Korea was still evil in the 50's, 60's, and, 70's. South Korea was a nation recovering from two invasions and trying to find itself while also trying to maintain security.

Does that excuse the South Korean military junta abusing human rights somehow?

 

[Rod1]

There were no brothels or prostitutes .

You had concubines for the elite but not actual prostitution .

It was a specific grievance by American military and the government had to create the industry for American troops .

I think you have no idea how conservative korean society was .

So you are telling me that no korean pays for sex? its all the americans doing so?

 

[Rod1]

You can read about it yourself . There are books on the subject and all support the statement that it just did not exist . Even western literature supports this . If you were wealthy you had concubines . Thats about it .

It did not exist usually means it was not written on records, like prostitution in devout muslim countries.

 

[indo80]

So you are telling me that no korean pays for sex? its all the americans doing so?

I did a quick google search and wiki does state they never had brothels prior to 1860's. It stated they had a caste of women who served the wealthy and i guess acted like concubines. I'm not sure if they were prostitutes or if multiple women served the same guy throughout life.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Does that excuse the South Korean military junta abusing human rights somehow?

That junta is long gone and as far as behavior for other countries that have gone through the same thing it was pretty mild. Look at human behavior though out the world. This was nothing. All these people had known in there lifetimes was occupation. Not much of a chance for examples to follow.

 

[Thurisaz]

Will still hand bang

Thanks for informing me.