I don't think Poatan would ever beat Izzy again...

[LouDee16]

Alex was up 3-0 against Izzy and was winning the fight until he got careless (props to Izzy for setting up the counter and capitalizing), and now he can't win another fight against Israel?

Recency bias is strong on Sherdog

he was winning nothing.. he lost the first round on all scorecards and izzy was winning the 2nd easy

 

[BFG]

Let them both take another fight and Alex should probably move up...but he has a lot of wear and tear on him and we've seen some guys who went from great to shot pretty quickly after a KO like that.

 

[Lee_]

If I had to pick, I would say Izzy, but it is close.

 

[Dionysian]

TS is suggesting that changing to "bully Izzy" is what won him the fight. What won him the fight was the exact opposite of bullying... it was being defensive and baiting Alex in to then counter-strike him.

Just weird two fans can watch the same fight and draw polar opposite conclusions.

 

[ComfortablyNumb55]

LOL I guess Izzy is the only fighter with very high fight IQ that takes 4 fights to figure out a fighter.

Size and power differential has to be overcome with a high IQ.

Izzy's only chance is being smarter.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Its only poor if hes going in recklessly for the kill. Before that Poatan was picking Izzy apart from range with leg kicks, while Izzy could not land the one two combo that was his only effective punch on the first fight. And he tried it many times, hes just not good at leading.

All Poatan has to do to win next time is keep on the leg kick game until Izzy cant stand no more, and THEN go for the kill on the later rounds. Or if he wants to be super conservative, just outpoint him to a decision.

If only Pereira had the fight IQ you do, he could’ve easily won <45>

 

[jitzmonkey]

First kickboxing fight was very close. It was not a robbery. He was KO'd by Poatan in their final kickboxing fight. He was winning the first MMA fight yes, but easily? no it wasn't easy. His legs were getting chewed up and he was getting hit.

They're very evenly matched. Izzy is the better striker, but Alex is the bigger guy who hits way harder. If they fought 10 times in MMA I'd guess it would be 5 - 5 or maybe 6 - 4 either way. Izzy would be a favorite in the trilogy but that's in no way a gimme fight for him.

A lot of fans still don't understand the effect of leg kicks; or how kickboxers are accustomed to taking them.
Watching Izzy (a pretty high level kick boxer) lightly limp back to his corner after the 2nd round is very telling for anyone who has a general understanding of predominately stand up martial arts.

 

[jitzmonkey]

If only Pereira had the fight IQ you do, he could’ve easily won <45>

He appears to have gotten overzealous.
We all knew that Izzy's hand speed and movement would be what got it done.
We also all saw how Pereira was able to slow down Adesanya's movement via attacking the legs and corner the champ against the cage.

Not sure what Alex's thought process was; but after 3 victories, he literally let his guard down.

 

[VAfan]

Alex was up 3-0 against Izzy and was winning the fight until he got careless (props to Izzy for setting up the counter and capitalizing), and now he can't win another fight against Israel?

Recency bias is strong on Sherdog

this. sherdog just gets stupid with the exaggerations after recent fights. a few days ago alex couldn't lose. now he can't win.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

He appears to have gotten overzealous.
We all knew that Izzy's hand speed and movement would be what got it done.
We also all saw how Pereira was able to slow down Adesanya's movement via attacking the legs and corner the champ against the cage.

Not sure what Alex's thought process was; but after 3 victories, he literally let his guard down.

Yeah I mean I get saying maybe he got a bit overconfident.

I think a lot of people are oversimplifying it though, by basically saying Pereira could’ve easily made a slight adjustment and handily won the fight which is just cope.

They’re extremely evenly skilled and Izzy KO’d Pereira the same way he almost did in the first fight. People are just doing their best to take as much credit away from Izzy as possible… remember that same pressure is what got Pereira the KO in the first fight.

 

[stacrafty]

Size and power differential has to be overcome with a high IQ.

Izzy's only chance is being smarter.

did you miss where Alex also got lit up in every other fight and had to be saved by the ref and the bell to even make it to the 2nd rounds

Where he was "3-0" but still the betting underdog

Where even his countryman Gilbert Burns picked against him...

And to make it worse, it all came true for Alex, in the worst way possible.

Alex has never been ahead, hes been living off charity the last 7 years - the charity of the ref, the charity of the UFC and Izzy fast tracking him
Now that that's run out, he had nothing to save him this time, and looks like he might have to actually have work for a title rematch.

 

[asdf122345]

Age is up there with him also he can't beat the wrestlers in the division. Its over.

 

[jitzmonkey]

Yeah I mean I get saying maybe he got a bit overconfident.

I think a lot of people are oversimplifying it though, by basically saying Pereira could’ve easily made a slight adjustment and handily won the fight which is just cope.

They’re extremely evenly skilled and Izzy KO’d Pereira the same way he almost did in the first fight. People are just doing their best to take as much credit away from Izzy as possible… remember that same pressure is what got Pereira the KO in the first fight.

Absolutely not taking away from Izzy.
I’m saying that Izzy is too fast/precise to pressure early like that.
In the first fight, he’d already hampered the champ’s movement with those nasty leg kicks.
Over eager might be the better word; although overconfident in his ability to evade a fresh Izzy’s faster hand speed seems to be a fairly accurate statement.
Alex Carrie’s his power better late which aids him when he’s tired.
izzy relies on speed which is hard to maintain over the course of 25 minutes.

You dig?

*Also, what’s with using the term “cope” as though regular people are emotionally invested in the outcome of a sporting event?

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Yeah I mean I get saying maybe he got a bit overconfident.

I think a lot of people are oversimplifying it though, by basically saying Pereira could’ve easily made a slight adjustment and handily won the fight which is just cope.

They’re extremely evenly skilled and Izzy KO’d Pereira the same way he almost did in the first fight. People are just doing their best to take as much credit away from Izzy as possible… remember that same pressure is what got Pereira the KO in the first fight.

Pereira did not put on that kind of pressure until the later rounds of the first UFC fight. He literally waited until the last round to go for the finish.

This time, he tried to go for the finish in the second round, and was baited into a counter right.

Izzy's knockout of Costa was also in the second round, with Costa coming after him.

Izzy's knockout of Whitaker was also in the second round, with Whitaker coming after him.

Pereira should've continued to chop and Izzy's legs, throw kicks to the head, and more right hands.

But he should've softened Izzy up more, as he did the last time, before going in for the kill. Izzy is clearly a dangerous counterstriker early. Not so much later.

 

[EYEKICKFACES]

Your boy was the underdog despite being 3-0 up.

Nothing to figure out, just needed to take the ref and the bell out of the equation.

Alex can watch his wins back, watch himself being put on loopy street twice and have to be saved by ref and the bell.

Izzy can watch his one back... and see none of that.

They fought 4x but only one win is clean, compelling and undeniable.

My boy? Never followed him before. You seem upset peewee, everything okay?

Also 1 win is clean? Is it this one?

 

[djacobox372]

He looked better than ever in that loss, he just got caught because he failed to respect Izzy.

 

[Ares Black]

My boy? Never followed him before. You seem upset peewee, everything okay?

Also 1 win is clean? Is it this one?

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You should watch that fight.

 

[EYEKICKFACES]

You should watch that fight.

Seen it, it ended with one guy needing oxygen. You're in the wrong forum cupcake, this isn't WMMA.

 

[OldCasualBoxer]

Actually, given Alex seems a fighter that listens to his team, he would have a great change of beating him again.
With a more calculated approach, continuously targeting the legs and removing Izzy's mobility, he would have a great chance for success in the later rounds.