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I don't dispute that Khabib is an all time great, but how can fans justify his legendarily shameful ducking of GSP? Perhaps the most shameful ever.

AndrewGolota48 said:
Khabib would not even agree to a catch weight fight against a way past his prime, ultra inactive GSP. He demanded that GSP cut to 155 for the first time in his entire life at nearly 40 years old.

To put this into perspective, look at how much shit Sherdoggers have given Jones for beating up on Stipe recently, because Stipe was old and inactive. But at least Jones moved up to Stipe's weight class and did it. Just imagine if Jones demanded that Stipe cut to LHW for the first time in his career in order for the fight to take place! It would be absolutely disgraceful!

And then imagine Stipe agreed to a catch weight fight and said ok Jon, I will fight you at 215 lbs, and Jones still answered with a resounding no! That's not good enough Stipe, your old past time inactive ass must cut all the way down to 205 if you want to fight me.

It would be mind-blowingly disgusting to all MMA fans across the world. It would be ridiculed for years to come. I simply can't understand how anyone can defend Khabib for doing the same thing to GSP.

They are VERY similar situations, all four are considered GOAT level in their weight classes, and Stipe was super old and inactive just like GSP, with the younger more active fighter being from the lower weight class. The difference is Jones moved up happily and destroyed Stipe with ease, while Khabib chose to make the fight not happen at all due to his ridiculous and unreasonable demands.

And yet JONES is somehow the one that took more flack for it, exposing the disturbing emotional bias that blinds rationality of most MMA fans, reducing them to the level of children thinking of Jokes as the diabolical supervillain and Khabib as their favorite superhero: one can do no right and the other can do no wrong.

Edit: by the way, major respect for Islam who was chomping at the bit to fight the 170 champion in their prime (Leon), without a second thought.
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You can't duck anyone who isn't competing in your division


That's a hard and fast rule for me, I'm afraid. Not a lightweight? Can't duck him.
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
GSP threw out 155 in general, and then when Khabib wanted him at 155, GSP walked back to say that would be too much of a disadvantage to himself.

Sound familiar?

Funny how it works out to be Khabib ducking. But i guess that's the benefit of calling facts you don't like "irrelevant"
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Cool, good thing I'm not arguing that GSP was perfect and should've cut to 155.... I'm saying Khabib was the younger fighter in his prime vs the old inactive guy and wouldn't make any concessions. That's why I compared it to Jones vs Stipe... it would've been shameful for Jones to want the fight at LHW. He could've made a lame argument like hey Stipe was just as light as me at LHW when he got super lean to fight DC etc.

It's just is what it is. I don't expect every fighter to be BJ Penn and move up to get his ass kicked, I'm not even expecting Khabib to move up and fight prime Usman or anything like that...but against 39 year old inactive GSP, it was egregious.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
Cool, good thing I'm not arguing that GSP was perfect and should've cut to 155.... I'm saying Khabib was the younger fighter in his prime vs the old inactive guy and wouldn't make any concessions. That's why I compared it to Jones vs Stipe... it would've been shameful for Jones to want the fight at LHW. He could've made a lame argument like hey Stipe was just as light as me at LHW when he got super lean to fight DC etc.

It's just is what it is. I don't expect every fighter to be BJ Penn and move up to get his ass kicked, I'm not even expecting Khabib to move up and fight prime Usman or anything like that...but against 39 year old inactive GSP, it was egregious.
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Right you're just saying it was the champ's responsibility to not defend his belt, but actually take the detour for name's sake only, because despite the fact a contender did exist in his division, he  should have fought the guy that you are trying to  undersell as old and inactive.

Oh wait, sorry, not even that, since this fight was never a serious discussion. You're saying he should have PRETENDED that he would move up to not defend his belt, but actually take the detour for name's sake only, because despite the fact a contender did exist in his division, as if a fight (that we all knew wasn't going to happen) was actually going to get signed between him and someone you called old and inactive.

Right. Super egregious of him. I'm insulted by Khabib's lack of grandstanding the way I want him to grandstand
 
One of the reasons I've long said that Khabib can't be considering among the all-time greats is that he was never willing to test himself at a different weight class.
 
joy2day said:
Khabib did make those demands initially, but you are right that there were politics with the UFC around the fight that made it more difficult to happen. It wasn't only that demand that stopped the fight.
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Either way the OP's blathering post about DUCKING is irrelevant. No fighter can "Duck" another fighter. Only a champion can duck as they are the only one who are Obligated to fight another fighter. Khabib wasn't a champion when Dana was trying to lure him back for one last fight with GSP.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
Khabib would not even agree to a catch weight fight against a way past his prime, ultra inactive GSP. He demanded that GSP cut to 155 for the first time in his entire life at nearly 40 years old.

To put this into perspective, look at how much shit Sherdoggers have given Jones for beating up on Stipe recently, because Stipe was old and inactive. But at least Jones moved up to Stipe's weight class and did it. Just imagine if Jones demanded that Stipe cut to LHW for the first time in his career in order for the fight to take place! It would be absolutely disgraceful!

And then imagine Stipe agreed to a catch weight fight and said ok Jon, I will fight you at 215 lbs, and Jones still answered with a resounding no! That's not good enough Stipe, your old past time inactive ass must cut all the way down to 205 if you want to fight me.

It would be mind-blowingly disgusting to all MMA fans across the world. It would be ridiculed for years to come. I simply can't understand how anyone can defend Khabib for doing the same thing to GSP.

They are VERY similar situations, all four are considered GOAT level in their weight classes, and Stipe was super old and inactive just like GSP, with the younger more active fighter being from the lower weight class. The difference is Jones moved up happily and destroyed Stipe with ease, while Khabib chose to make the fight not happen at all due to his ridiculous and unreasonable demands.

And yet JONES is somehow the one that took more flack for it, exposing the disturbing emotional bias that blinds rationality of most MMA fans, reducing them to the level of children thinking of Jokes as the diabolical supervillain and Khabib as their favorite superhero: one can do no right and the other can do no wrong.

Edit: by the way, major respect for Islam who was chomping at the bit to fight the 170 champion in their prime (Leon), without a second thought.
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bj penn fought matt hughes and gsp with no 2nd thought...
 
Trabaho said:
Same way GSP didn´t do the catch weight Anderson Silva fight or didn´t want to defend his belt at MW. His paper belt.

Guys like fighting smaller opponents. Smaller guys don´t have to accept a fight vs the guy from the division above.
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GSP said UFC stopped him and Anderson, not him.
 
Khabib stood a better chance at beating GSP than GSP beating Anderson. Neither scenario would happen anyway.
 
tritestill said:
GSP said UFC stopped him and Anderson, not him.
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I don't know for sure what happened... but GSP did fly to Abu Dhabi for UFC 112 in 2010 and he was shown on camera and announced during the broadcast that he was there to challenge Anderson
(i think... it is an old memory st this point) and have a post fight face off.

Then Anderson did his whole hiding behind the ref and acting like a jackass routine , Dana had a big old man-child temper tantrum and we never heard about the GSP vs Anderson fight again and as far as I can tell they tried to bury any evidence that what I just mentioned happened, including I believe removing the times they mentioned it from the footage from UFC 112 fights

* that last part COULD just be me being a big old copper foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, but I think it is in fact true and they did a 1984, mandella effect type rewriting of history and removed the footage



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the fight was never going to happen because GSP wanted a 3rd belt and UFC, already getting burned by him when they allowed him to fight Bisping for the MW title, shut down any talks of GSP fighting for 155lb belt. because of that i think GSP lost interest and i doubt Khabib really wanted it anyway.
 
Khabin retired. His mom wanted it. He achieved money and titles. The GSP talk was after Khabib was retired. Would if been a bad ass fight.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
Cool deflection, anything substantive you want to say? No? Just personal insults and dodging? Sadly that's what is expected.

Very simple, is what I said true or not?
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No it's not true. It wasn't "Shameful ducking". Super fights get talked about all the time, and mostly never come to fruition. Deflection...?....um...no. Personal insults? What lol? Grow a pair buddy if you want to create shitty hater threads. You're just wrong and created a clickbait thread that you can't back out of gracefully. Suck it.
 
jsbx45 said:
No it's not true. It wasn't "Shameful ducking". Super fights get talked about all the time, and mostly never come to fruition. Deflection...?....um...no. Personal insults? What lol? Grow a pair buddy if you want to create shitty hater threads. You're just wrong and created a clickbait thread that you can't back out of gracefully. Suck it.
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None of what you said is relevant or addresses the issue. But good job posturing as some kind of edgy trash talking tough guy. What is this, Def Comedy Jam bro? 😂
 
Was it really outside Khabib’s weight class when he fought at welterweight multiple times in his career, and failed several weight cuts.
 
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