I’m so sad we never got rumble vs potan

[Edward Henry Greb]

I've never understood why people felt Poatan matched up well against Prime Rumble. On paper he is a challenging stylistic match-up. The dude never got finished by strikes (other than eye pokes) across his entire UFC career and never even got knocked down despite having something like 20 UFC bouts. Once he got his weight dialed in, his chin was very solid.

He had arguably the most terrifying touch-of-death LHW has ever seen and was a crazy explosive puncher early in fights to the point that I think even a dynamo like Pereira would be forced to give him a modicum of respect on the feet. When you add in his underrated kicking game along with a very real takedown threat (people seem to forget that Rumble wasn't afraid to shoot on dudes and make fights boring on a whim)... I think he holds more cards than Alex does.

Pereira is a fantastic fighter who has greatly exceeded my expectations, but he is not some untouchable defensive mastermind. Guys have survived three rounds with him and landed good shots of their own. He's been hurt, put on the back foot, and even KO'd at times. He also concedes at least one takedown plus some control time per fight to those who make an attempt to actively ground him (though to his credit he is quite defensively savvy on the mat).

I think Poatan has a path to victory if he could survive the early storm of Rumble's striking and wrestling to drag him into deep waters before working the big man's body & legs to win a Decision or late finish (assuming a five-rounder). But I think Anthony just has more paths to victory, more weapons, arguably greater finishing potential in the early part of the bout. I'd favor AJ like 60-65% of the time.


No, Rountree doesn't have the same power as Rumble did in his prime... nor is his skillset more well-rounded. For one, Rumble actually grapples offensively.

wah wah wah waaaaahhhh

you cant take criticism of your favorite fighter and it shows in your overly emotional juvenile tirade.

im a fan of both Poatan AND Rumble. get that through your dense noggin. i just think if they ever fought, Rumble has the better chance of KOing Poatan than vise versa. regardless of accomplishments. a fight is a fight, and we've seen time and time again that lesser fighters on paper beat better fighters on paper. i dont give a fuck about belts or championships or whatever when it comes to PURELY watching a fight. i watch for entertainment first. and both Poatan and Rumble are/were very entertaining exciting fighters.

the fact that you cant deal with another reasonably stated opinion belies your true nature. your ride is here, go ahead and get in ----->

You can't take reality ... and root for the dead, non-(never-was) Champion.

Losers stick together ... as do winners.

 

[Safton]

You can't take reality ... and root for the dead, non-(never-was) Champion.

Losers stick together ... as do winners.

Your inability to make a cogent counter-argument is noted, as is your weird compulsion to resort to mocking a deceased veteran of the sport while lobbing juvenile insults.

But then again, I'm not sure what I expect from a guy who feels the need to turn every post into his personal blog with multicolored ADHD text where he shits on professional fighters who accomplished more in 15 minutes than he did in decades of posturing from behind the comfort of his keyboard.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Your inability to make a cogent counter-argument is noted, as is your weird compulsion to resort to mocking a deceased veteran of the sport while lobbing juvenile insults.

My counter-argument is based on FACT: (1) Anthony Johnson **FAILED** to make Champion, on every effort. (2) He is dead and gone.

By contrast, Alex Pereira **SUCCEEDED** in making Champion ... EVERY TIME HE TRIED ... in TWO DIVISIONS ... across TWO DIFFERENT PLATFORMS ...

Yours is the juvenile idolatry of a dead man who "hit hard" ... but who actually didn't achieve a thing of note.

Mine is the reasoned following of a consistent winner and dependable Champion.

But then again, I'm not sure what I expect from a guy who feels the need to turn every post into his personal blog with multicolored ADHD text where he shits on professional fighters who accomplished more in 15 minutes than he did in decades of posturing from behind the comfort of his keyboard.

Oh shut up, you punk geek.

I have more scars, and more war stories, of actual events in my life than your dumb ass has of your fantasies (and imagined match-making) in your pathetic, done-nothing life.

 

[Safton]

My counter-argument is based on FACT: (1) Anthony Johnson **FAILED** to make Champion, on every effort.

You mean in a grand total of two efforts against the same fighter, a fighter who posed a very different stylistic challenge to Poatan and who many would also pick to defeat Pereira in their respective primes?

(2) He is dead and gone.

What even is this? Muhammad Ali is dead and gone, too, but I'd still pick him in his prime to beat Dillian Whyte.

By contrast, Alex Pereira **SUCCEEDED** in making Champion ... EVERY TIME HE TRIED ... in TWO DIVISIONS ... across TWO DIFFERENT PLATFORMS ...

Irrelevant. Different stylistic challenges, different time periods, different fighters.

Yours is the juvenile idolatry of a dead man who "hit hard" ... but who actually didn't achieve a thing of note.

Yours is the juvenile idolatry of a man who rose to the top of two shallow divisions against match-ups that were largely favorable for him, yet you accuse Johnson of being the only one who didn't achieve anything of note. You've yet to actually address any of my points regarding how they match up, but would rather hide behind Pereira's belts as if he could carry them into the cage and use them as a shield to block Anthony's punches or something.

Mine is the reasoned following of a consistent winner and dependable Champion.

Except you don't actually believe your own bullshit, or if you do you're a victim of your own cognitive dissonance. Here, let me help you:

That's me stating that I believe Gane would narrowly beat Alex if the two would ever met up at Heavyweight. Literally every argument you've made about Johnson can also be applied to Ciryl (except he's not "dead and gone"). Ciryl has tried and failed multiple times to become UFC Champion, in somewhat embarrassing fashion at times. Some have accused him of ducking challenges and lacking mental fortitude. He is, stylistically speaking, a better match-up for Alex on paper. Hasn't faced or beaten the same level of competition as either man.

Yet... you agreed with me. You complimented me on my take.

Oops.

Oh shut up, you punk geek.

I have more scars, and more war stories, of actual events in my life than your dumb ass has of your fantasies (and imagined match-making) in your pathetic, done-nothing life.

Ah yes, the insurance claims investigator who has scars from his many knife fights and regularly faces danger headfirst in his thrilling life of adventure. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten. I know you're full of shit because anyone who had actually seen and done half of that would have hopefully developed some semblance of humility. He certainly wouldn't feel the need to mock professional fighters (especially those who are dead and gone) on a daily basis or try and dox himself whenever people on a karate forum make him angry. I deal with actual hard men and killers on a daily basis and the legitimate ones don't act like man-children the way you do every time you vomit all over your keyboard.

 

[GolovKing]

To an RNC from a kickboxer? Rumble never crumbled once in the standup! Except maybe that eye poke…

LHW Rumble does exactly the same thing to Alex as he did to his mentor!

That rnc says more about rumble than just his bad submission defense. Rumble lacked heart. He had a good chin but if Alex caught him with a good shot, landed some good low kicks, even if they didn't stop rumble right away, it's hard to imagine rumble wouldn't have gotten discouraged and looked for a way out

 

[Safton]

That rnc says more about rumble than just his bad submission defense. Rumble lacked heart. He had a good chin but if Alex caught him with a good shot, landed some good low kicks, even if they didn't stop rumble right away, it's hard to imagine rumble wouldn't have gotten discouraged and looked for a way out

I can absolutely see that happening, but it's also assuming a largely one-sided exchange. We've seen Alex be forced to cede ground to other primary strikers in exchanges and I would argue that none of them were as dangerous or as proven as a fresh AJ, who also brings a bigger takedown threat to the table than any of them did.

I think it would be competitive and wouldn't be overly surprised if Pereira won -- especially in a five-round environment -- but IMO Johnson just matches up well enough with him to make it sufficiently dangerous in the early going to pull out the win more often than not.

 

[tymikeson]

Weak AF comparison ... Rumble against a tiny, feather-fisted, carrot-topped pretender.

Has fugging NOTHING TO DO with facing a MASSIVE, TACTICAL, 6'4" ASSASSIN like Pereira ... with 10x the legit kickboxing background as Johnson. Nothing. Nada.

RUMBLE would CRUMBLE.

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what part of "unrelated" did you not understand.

 

[Ser das Trevas]

It's incredible that even after so much time, Alex Pereira is underestimated.

 

[AstralPanda]

Crumble would've crumbled.

I dunno

Prime rumble was a beast. The version who dismantled Phil Davis would be a problem for almost anyone.

He was a bit of a head case at times though, I suppose it depends which version.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

It's incredible that even after so much time, Alex Pereira is underestimated.

I don't think I underestimate him, but we haven't really seen him having to deal with getting wrestlefucked, everyone continues to stand with him pretty much.

The first fight I saw of him in the UFC he did get taken down for a fair while against a jiu jitsu guy (name escapes me). Though the next round he KOd him with a flying knee ha ha, maybe he does know this MMA thing.

 

[mkt]

I don't know if I'd call Rich Clementi or Vitor Belfort wrestlers and they both still beat him. If the fight were to happen, I'd imagine the first round would be fireworks but if AJ couldn't get the KO in that first round, he'd be mincemeat in the very next.

Nope. No one ever KO'd Rumble or beat him by decision by outstriking him. The opposite happened. His weakness was the ground, but Poatan is zero threat there. Poatan is very impressive, but not like Rumble was.

Crazy Stat about Rumble at LHW

I posted this elsewhere, but thought it was worth its own thread. Rumble KO'd Glover, prime Gus, Bader and Little Nog (who was coming off wins over Tito and Rashad) in less than 5 minutes if you count all the fights. You could fit all that in a single round. Put another way, that's 4 KO/TKO's...

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I'm not saying Poatan couldn't win, but if he got KO'd by Izzy, Rumble definitely would have a shot. And Rumble fought much better at LHW and didn't have the early gassing issues like he did at WW and MW.

 

[mkt]

Weak AF comparison ... Rumble against a tiny, feather-fisted, carrot-topped pretender.

Has fugging NOTHING TO DO with facing a MASSIVE, TACTICAL, 6'4" ASSASSIN like Pereira ... with 10x the legit kickboxing background as Johnson. Nothing. Nada.

RUMBLE would CRUMBLE.

/ Thread

Yeah, look at Overeem and his totally legit K-1 champ background. Comes to the UFC and gets KO'd by "elite" strikers Travis Browne, Rothwell and Bigfoot pronto.

Or Cro-Cop, a K-1 fighter who went back to K-1 and won another championship after getting KO'd by guys like Gonzaga, Schaub and Mir in the UFC.

 

[Tnellie30]

Anthony Johnson's last fight in the UFC: April 8, 2017
Alex Pereira's first fight in the UFC: November 6, 2021

Just sayin'. How sad can you really be?

 

[VinceArch]

I'm not saying Poatan couldn't win, but if he got KO'd by Izzy, Rumble definitely would have a shot. And Rumble fought much better at LHW and didn't have the early gassing issues like he did at WW and MW.

He was also a head case and seemingly gave up whenever he couldn't go in and bulldoze right through his opponent and based on that, I'd definitely favor Pereira to win. Yes, he was KO'd by Izzy at 185 but at 205 he's definitely a different animal.

 

[AstralPanda]

Nope. No one ever KO'd Rumble or beat him by decision by outstriking him. The opposite happened. His weakness was the ground, but Poatan is zero threat there. Poatan is very impressive, but not like Rumble was.

Crazy Stat about Rumble at LHW

I posted this elsewhere, but thought it was worth its own thread. Rumble KO'd Glover, prime Gus, Bader and Little Nog (who was coming off wins over Tito and Rashad) in less than 5 minutes if you count all the fights. You could fit all that in a single round. Put another way, that's 4 KO/TKO's...

forums.sherdog.com

I'm not saying Poatan couldn't win, but if he got KO'd by Izzy, Rumble definitely would have a shot. And Rumble fought much better at LHW and didn't have the early gassing issues like he did at WW and MW.

Honestly, poatan looks pretty decent rolling against glover and danis

I wouldn't be surprised if he tapped Rumble tbh, lol

 

[StewDogg11]

My counter-argument is based on FACT: (1) Anthony Johnson **FAILED** to make Champion, on every effort. (2) He is dead and gone.

By contrast, Alex Pereira **SUCCEEDED** in making Champion ... EVERY TIME HE TRIED ... in TWO DIVISIONS ... across TWO DIFFERENT PLATFORMS ...

Yours is the juvenile idolatry of a dead man who "hit hard" ... but who actually didn't achieve a thing of note.

Mine is the reasoned following of a consistent winner and dependable Champion.



Oh shut up, you punk geek.

I have more scars, and more war stories, of actual events in my life than your dumb ass has of your fantasies (and imagined match-making) in your pathetic, done-nothing life.

Why do you talk like this? Lmao at “making champion”

 

[StewDogg11]

I don't think I underestimate him, but we haven't really seen him having to deal with getting wrestlefucked, everyone continues to stand with him pretty much.

The first fight I saw of him in the UFC he did get taken down for a fair while against a jiu jitsu guy (name escapes me). Though the next round he KOd him with a flying knee ha ha, maybe he does know this MMA thing.

The one time he actually fought a guy who could grapple just a little bit he won a coin flip split decision.

 

[Blastbeat]

You can't take reality ... and root for the dead, non-(never-was) Champion.

Losers stick together ... as do winners.

i thought i told you to stop whining

 

[Bork Neslar]

Please move this to the fantasy matchup forum.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

If Rumble wanted to take this fight to the ground he'd do so at will.