Economy Huawei News & Discussion: BT Will Build UK’s Emergency Network with "High-Risk Vendor" Huawei

[ShinkanPo]

This is particularly amusing, consider that the U.K's own Oversight Board has just concluded that Huawei's equipment carries "significant security risks".

Other European countries are mostly along the line of "yeah, there are risks, but we could probably mitigate them with strong oversight, plus their equipments are so cheap!"

Well, good luck with that, boys. If you want to play with fire, it's best to have that ointment ready.

No one makes better oinment tha chinese.

Dr.Wu's good for burns and alergies trusted since 1911!

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Huawei needs to swept the fuck out of the West. Every last piece of hardware, every single atom of silicon, silver, gold, and copper that Chinese State fingers have even maybe touched.

Do you have anything to say about it, or did you just want to cut and paste a news article? I'm not trying to be critical, but that's not how a thread is supposed to go.

You would think someone with such credentials would know the rules in regards to posting threads then.

Weird.

An appeal to authority when the authority is a bunch of idiots where the majority think a reality star with multiple felons in his administration is a capable president.

lol what a fuckin joke, follow the rules for starting a thread and you wouldn't have been called out.

 

[NoDak]

Huawei needs to swept the fuck out of the West. Every last piece of hardware, every single atom of silicon, silver, gold, and copper that Chinese State fingers have even maybe touched.

The investment restrictments and export controls that have been placed on them get me rock hard and throbbing. I would take it further, so much further than that and look to outright crush at least a half dozen of their "national champion" corporations; would also quite likely cause the CCP serious political instability and disruption.

 

[loyalyolayal]

The investment restrictments and export controls that have been placed on them get me rock hard and throbbing. I would take it further, so much further than that and look to outright crush at least a half dozen of their "national champion" corporations; would also quite likely cause the CCP serious political instability and disruption.

They've tasted the luxury of capitalism and it's going to crush them.

 

[Arkain2K]

One of our facilities was planning to upgrade their security camera system and some of this equipment was on one of the proposals . . . needless to say it wasn't purchased.

Was it significantly cheaper than other bids?

The problem that Germany, France, the U.K, Italy, et al, are facing now is that they have already built their 4G infrastructure on Huawei equipments, which makes it more economical to simply upgrade to Huawei's 5G. An evolution, rather than revolution.

If they were to switch to the 5G offerings from Nokia or Ericsson now, then they will have to spend billions more to replace a lot more equipments.

At the end, it will be Security vs. Bottom lines.

 

[computer fogie]

Come back to me on how to make a productive discussion thread after your fellow WR posters vote for you for Best TS five years in a row.

Well then you must have made better threads than this one, since anyone can copy and paste a mainstream news article without saying anything.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

The investment restrictments and export controls that have been placed on them get me rock hard and throbbing. I would take it further, so much further than that and look to outright crush at least a half dozen of their "national champion" corporations; would also quite likely cause the CCP serious political instability and disruption.

 

[Arkain2K]

I think he usually gets votes for worst mod, so there's that.

Judging on the insightful on-topic contributions he made thus far to the discussion at hand, I can see how he got that dubious honor.

I suppose we can't expect every Mods to be great contributors like @Lead , @Zankou , @Madmick , or @panamaican after all.

 

[NoDak]

No one makes better oinment tha chinese.

Dr. Wu's good for burns and alergies trusted since 1911!

General Tso is fucking legendary as well.

Spoiler

 

[DespicablePeep]

US is losing the 5G war and is pressing hard for allies to ban Huawei. This nothing but propaganda to win the war.

Its just funny US acussing competitors of spying considering they do it through every american it company.

 

[NoDak]

US is losing the 5G war and is pressing hard for allies to ban Huawei. This nothing but propaganda to win the war.

Its just funny US acussing competitors of spying considering they do it through every american it company.

It was actually Australia who went at Huawei first and Canberra has enough issues with the CCP to have done that on their own volition. Given the dependency Huawei still has on US tech components, it wouldn't be too difficult to cripple their global operations with an export ban.

PRC still has a single digit percentage of industrial high tech market share after decades of number one bullshit tactics and failure. It's not fear, it's being a cut throat curb stomper - and a patriot? I don't give a fuck about them, hit the highway face first.

 

[NoDak]

@ElKarlo What have we here?

Anybody remember Arkain2K's thread on Micron IP theft?

Bloomberg: Caught in America's Assault

For a sense of the damage the United States can inflict on China with export controls, take a trip to the city of Jinjiang on the country’s southeastern coast.

That’s where Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Co. built a $6 billion plant to produce semiconductors as part of China’s goal of making the country a self-sufficient technology powerhouse. But after the U.S. President barred exports to the company, its dream is now in tatters with consultants from American suppliers gone, the factories silent and workers rattled.

Less than a month ago, Jinhua was full-speed ahead on an enormous undertaking financed by the local government that blanketed its corner of the city with bristling power plants, hulking workers’ dormitories and modern research labs. It was within months of a deadline to kick off full-scale production of some 60,000 wafers a month, a key step to giving China a competitive producer of memory chips used in smartphones.

Then the U.S. Justice Department accused it of stealing American technology, and Commerce slammed the door on purchases of the chipmaking gear it needed to hit that milestone. Expansion work halted as its American and even European suppliers skipped town. Now, uncertainty shrouds a company President Xi Jinping’s touted as one of three future domestic champions of chipmaking.

The day the U.S. announced its ban, Applied Materials Inc. staff packed up and left, according to people familiar with the matter. The American company had shipped components to Jinhua as recently as Sept. 20, according to an airway bill seen by Bloomberg. KLA-Tencor Corp and Lam Research Corp. also recalled their engineers, the people said. Even Dutch giant ASML Holding N.V. -- whose EUV machines are the linchpin in next-generation chipmaking -- pulled out within days, abandoning work on a second assembly line. The once-smooth influx of equipment ground to a halt. On a windy afternoon in November, a giant plot of land adjoining Jinhua’s campus earmarked for its second facility stood vacant, not even a bulldozer in sight.

So rapid was the exodus that, in many cases, Jinhua employees had no inkling of the departures till they were gone, one person said. Only a smattering of the foreign-employed engineers bothered to inform their peers before catching flights to Shanghai and Taipei, the person said. “They didn’t even give us time to say goodbye,” one person said.

From a broader perspective, the speed with which the U.S. squashed Jinhua’s ambitions underscores the extent to which China -- despite well-publicized intentions of becoming a global tech superpower by 2025 -- remains reliant on American innovation. Jinhua was to spearhead the transition for a country beholden to giants from Intel Corp. to Micron Technologies Inc. It’s an effort that’s become critical as the rivalry between the world’s two largest economies deepens. Indeed, It was Micron that first accused Jinhua and UMC of purloining its trade secrets, setting events in motion.

“Memory chips are cement for the entire IT industry, so China is eager to break the international monopoly and improve its own power of discourse in the world,” said Roger Sheng, an industry analyst with Gartner Research.

Jinhua was a key cog in a campaign to move away from chip imports -- an influx that surpasses China’s annual spending on oil. Now that vision’s in jeopardy. To some, it seems a matter of time until the Trump administration targets the other two designated national champions: Tsinghua Unigroup’s Yangtze River Memory and Hefei Changxin, run by the government of central Anhui province.

 

[RetiredSlave]

It seems irrelevant to me. If I was concerned about it Id be more concerned about governments spying domestically. Just as long as its not China hey?

 

[ElKarlo]

Man this 5G thinf is getting nuts. I am not sure about what is going to happen and who will win. Plus these back doors inside of backdoor is making things less clear.
Anyhow hopefully US tech prowess will be able to stem China's ability to spy

 

[NoDak]

 

[NoDak]

It seems irrelevant to me. If I was concerned about it Id be more concerned about governments spying domestically. Just as long as its not China hey?

I care a lot more about their theft of intellectual property and trade secrets from US industrial tech firms who conduct the vast majority of their operations stateside (including manufacturing). One could say, "Oh, but 'Murica does it too!" Like hell it does, from who? The US brought the IC industry into existence.

Plus the Chinese already have pics in their possession of my porn star quality cock through other avenues.

 

[ShinkanPo]

General Tso is fucking legendary as well.

Spoiler

I heard he was too chicken to fight though.

 

[ShinkanPo]

I care a lot more about their theft of intellectual property and trade secrets from US industrial tech firms who conduct the vast majority of their operations stateside (including manufacturing). One could say, "Oh, but 'Murica does it too!" Like hell it does, from who? The US brought the IC industry into existence.

Plus the Chinese already have pics in their possession of my porn star quality cock through other avenues.

General Tso be like why is it so big!!!

 

[VivaRevolution]

Come back to me on how to make a productive discussion thread after your fellow WR posters vote for you for Best TS five years in a row.

That's funny, this just made me realize that one of the rules of the WR, in having to have a op, is actually very damaging to having a good thread many times.

 

[NoDak]

I heard he was too chicken to fight though.

PEAK FORM.

General Tso be like why is it so big!!!

But this is not a NSFW forum and I don't want the handle getting banned. The future of America's economic security, national defense and technological leadership hangs in the balance and people don't even know what the fuck is going on. Gheyz, Trannies, Moslems, Oh My!