However you feel about it, UFC is redefining itself as a stylized MA org.

[UJustGotChaeld]

Sounds like a guy speaking from experience.

I am, women would never let me do anal on them without lube. I am also experienced with the amount of butthurt OP has had since Okami was cut.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Obviously you love the Dong.

I do love the Dong. I was in sheer ecstacy when I saw that KO.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Its not just about sport and lineage, its also about the simple fact, guys like Okami are better than guys like E Silva.

And there we have it folks .. the threads true purpose. Okami butthurt.

 

[The Real Pedro]

For some people, every day is the end of MMA as we know it.

The Palhares cut will have minimal impact on anything related to MMA or the UFC.

 

[ethanfranklin]

I am, women would never let me do anal on them without lube. I am also experienced with the amount of butthurt OP has had since Okami was cut.

Are you actually trying to get banned?

Thats NSFW, sexually explicit, off topic, abusive, trolling the OP, again.

If one of these viewers reports you, you might well regret that one.

Youre also conflating issues. Okamis cut highlighted a trend, which is being commented on, as a bigger picture here.

Some of us are able to do that. Some of us can see the bigger picture.

You seem a bit fixated on Okami and male health products bro.

For some people, every day is the end of MMA as we know it.

The Palhares cut will have minimal impact on anything related to MMA or the UFC.

Thats a weak hand. Your logic would suggest no one mark a decline, because its not hit rock bottom yet.

You sound like a man who jumped off a cliff, and said so far so good, all the way down.

And there we have it folks .. the threads true purpose. Okami butthurt.

Nope, its just a straw man.

Youre not fooling anyone, trying to tell other posters what they think.

Okami was a stupid cut, because it exemplified a trend, not because it was singularly aberrant.

 

[Sherm]

I would argue that the judges rewarding lay n pray and wall n stall are "stylized ma", and not real combat.

When you press a guy against a fence and land zero strikes, you have accomplished nothing in real terms, but judges will often give that guy a win because of his supposed "aggression" and "octagon control". These are totally artificial preferences that have nothing to do with actually beating someone up. And really, how much control do you really have, if you're forced to cling to the other guy so closely that you can't even throw a strike out of fear of being reversed.

 

[ethanfranklin]

I would argue that the judges rewarding lay n pray and wall n stall are "stylized ma", and not real combat.

When you press a guy against a fence and land zero strikes, you have accomplished nothing in real terms, but judges will often give that guy a win because of his supposed "aggression" and "octagon control". These are totally artificial preferences that have nothing to do with actually beating someone up. And really, how much control do you really have, if you're forced to cling to the other guy so closely that you can't even throw a strike out of fear of being reversed.

Thats a very interesting argument.

"The stuff thats cut, is the stuff that gets in the way of MMA."

I disagree, but itl be interesting what others think.


From my perspective, the talent is being diluted and im not quite sure why.

Guys like shields are annoying some times, but do you know how skilled that guy is, to neutralize Maia on the ground and beat him at the sport of MMA?

Jake is supposedly under threat, when he is in fact, one of the finest fighters in the sport.

Its becoming fabricated sport imho.

The nicest perspective, is its becoming a stylized mess, as bruce lee would say.

Its not about "what works", its about "what looks pretty and sells ever more stylized fights"

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Okami was a stupid cut, because it exemplified a trend, not because it was singularly aberrant.

Every post you make comes back to Okami. Seriously, let it go. It was obvious when you made the post, and you proved it by talking about Okami. For your own mental health, I recommend you take a break.

 

[A Muse of Fire]

Its becoming fabricated sport imho.

The nicest perspective, is its becoming a stylized mess, as bruce lee would say.

Its not about "what works", its about "what looks pretty and sells ever more stylized fights"

does pushing against the cage really "work" though? How about the soft strikes Shields is known for? Those techniques lack aggression and commitment like that. I feel like those techniques are not effective in a martial sense as. well as being boring. I don't know any style of fighting or combat sport that rewards clinching to a stands still. Wrestling and Judo emphasize pins and top control, but the ref will break up excessive clinching and both guys want to go to the mat.

Also leg looks are mostly discouraged in grappling as is holding on to locks after ref steps in. that is more like pro wrestling where the ref doesn't matter lols

 

[masterofthetap]

One of my favorites I'll miss his leg locks in the UfC, anytime he fought it was guaranteed to be exciting. Such a master of such a devastating submission. Reminds me of Rousey with her arm bars. WSOF?

 

[ethanfranklin]

Every post you make comes back to Okami. Seriously, let it go. It was obvious when you made the post, and you proved it by talking about Okami. For your own mental health, I recommend you take a break.

Every time you post, you try to shoe horn okami into an argument about bad sporting practice.

Youre not the worlds greatest advocate.

It would be like OJ simpson humming smooth criminal at his own trial.

 

[hto63]

By going to war with dominant wrestling, banning one of the best leg specialists in the world, and presumably edging towards recriminations against point striking, and holding on the fence, - all these things are taking out elements of effective martial arts, that are constituents of MMA.

Whatever you feel about it, it creates an undeniable reality, of a stylized MA org, in place of the traditional broad roof, MMA free for all.

I feel very good about because that is what is called evolution.
The UFC is making progress, they are at the forefront of MMA and they lead it into a better and brighter future.

Palhares is a danger to his opponents (in a way not contractually agreed upon by professional athletes).

I don't understand what you are trying to say about point striking and holding to the fence. Maybe the language barrier idk, holding the fence is stupid though.



And I really don't see why people have a problem with getting rid of boring wrestlers.

There are so many exciting wrestlers who legitimately win fights, there is no reason to keep the lazy safety first fighters on the roster as long as the old and outdated rules allow them to be declared a winner even though they came nowhere close to actually winning the fight.

 

[ethanfranklin]

I feel very good about because that is what is called evolution.
The UFC is making progress, they are at the forefront of MMA and they lead it into a better and brighter future.

Palhares is a danger to his opponents (in a way not contractually agreed upon by professional athletes).

I don't understand what you are trying to say about point striking and holding to the fence. Maybe the language barrier idk, holding the fence is stupid though.



And I really don't see why people have a problem with getting rid of boring wrestlers.

There are so many exciting wrestlers who legitimately win fights, there is no reason to keep the lazy safety first fighters on the roster as long as the old and outdated rules allow them to be declared a winner even though they came nowhere close to actually winning the fight.

It seems more like bad eugenics than natural selection bud.

Unfortunately this skews the relevance of what we are seeing, into fantasy, progressively less related to the evolution of "all-in" fighting

What they are breeding is a stylised version of fighting, based on what looks good on tv.

Bruce Lee could have told you that was bullshit, over 40 years ago.

Palhares had to go, i agree. But its still a bad thing for the diversity of MMA.

Point fighting and holding people against the fence are obvious targets for the ire of the org, even though they are effective forms of attack/defense irl, and in MMA.

People want the best fighters.

Others want the most telegenic.

Thats the core of the issue.

Sport is about the best, not the brightest.

 

[315MMAFighter]

They are too busy banning suspicious off topic troll accounts with 7 posts from 2010.

1. Doesnt like thread.

2. Actually gets offended someone has a different idea than him on the internet.

3. Clicks thread to bump it.

The English Language has 1,013,913 words, and none of them strong enough to aptly describe your level of fail.

So heres a picture instead bud.

Go have some ice cream.

Lmao, thts a fkd up pic

 

[315MMAFighter]

Flexwave's post nailed it, the more mainstream the more $, Dana,Fertitta's, everyone @Zuffa, just want to make $, the more mainstream the more $, $ =root of all evil

More cuts will be coming, and if you are employed by Zuffa, you best watch what you do, hell, even if your on a win streak you can get cut,

 

[spunkbun**]

Nevertheless, they have taken out one of the premier leg lock specialists in the game. He represented an asset in the diversity of fighting, however much he earned his exit.

Palhares was money, as well.

Not if you consider the loss of money from fighters whose knees Palhares could have ruined after the fights were finished.

 

[ethanfranklin]

Not if you consider the loss of money from fighters whose knees Palhares could have ruined after the fights were finished.

Lot of Pierce fans out there...

You are correct essentially. Fighters have a legit reason to swerve the guy, and when that happens, you have a problem.

 

[Frank Edgar]

Okami and Palhares were cut for 2 very different reasons. And using the recent cuts to argue that UFC is trying to become a "stylized MA org" is a very weak argument.

They could just as easily change the rules of fights. They could do a restart when fighters wind up clinching on the fence to hinder wrestlers, get rid of ground elbows, or get rid of Sub of the Night if they just wanted brawls .

Your conjecture has very little evidence

 

[hto63]

Unfortunately this skews the relevance of what we are seeing, into fantasy, progressively less related to the evolution of "all-in" fighting

Point fighting and holding people against the fence are obvious targets for the ire of the org, even though they are effective forms of attack/defense irl, and in MMA.

true reality-based "All in"- Fighting wouldn't have a time limit. There would be no judges. There would be no stalling in top position to win a decision.

And you don't win a fistfight irl by point-fighting, there's also no cage around most of the time. In other orgs, especially in Asia they had only ropes and fights were reset in the middle of the ring when it moved to the ropes, the cage is not at all a necessary part of MMA.

In fact it's just a pretty unnecessary advantage for certain styles and actually encourages fighters to just grind their opponents against the fence which is stupid and too often doesn't lead to anything but both guys being totally gassed and putting up an even worse fight for the remainder...

People want the best fighters.

Others want the most telegenic.

Thats the core of the issue. [/quote

Sport is about the best, not the brightest.

It's actually not an issue at all because the best fighters are usually also very telegenic. The best fighters are the ones who not only have the technique to better their opponent but also the guts to go for the kill. You know, the way you actually win a fight by incapacitating your opponent.


There is a reason DHK himself said his spectacular KO win over Silva makes him more proud than all of his previous wins combined (so boring he doesn't even watch them himself he said)

 

[MrKilroyT]

I just don't think Palhares has the mental capacity to compete in MMA. Even his manager said that he doesn't understand that he's doing anything wrong. If that's really the case and he doesn't understand that trying to destroy someone's knee after the fight is over is a bad thing, he shouldn't be fighting anywhere.