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How Yoel Romero won - Full Breakdown

Izzy's chin is good, but it's not as "iron" as you think it is. Even that shot in the first round had a relatively low amount of upper body rotation in it, it was rather an arm punch, and it also landed on the temple, instead of the chin.

If you're watching slow-motions of all the (supposed) meaningful exchanges, you'll see that most of Yoel's strikes did not land as clean as one might think upon watching it live.

This is another good example for that:
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Live, it seemed like Romero landed three, or at the very least two really big shots, bit it was only the last strike that connected.


I don't know man. Its not only Romero's 3 punches in question. Fatselum turned Izzy's head into a ballon, 20 big shots to the head. Izzy's head was bouncing up and down, back and forth, yet he was never wobbled.
 
I don't know man. Its not only Romero's 3 punches in question. Fatselum turned Izzy's head into a ballon, 20 big shots to the head. Izzy's head was bouncing up and down, back and forth, yet he was never wobbled.
On that fight he was close to being stopped. I remember watching it, and i didn't know who was going to fall first... But he was close to falling i can assure you that.
 
I applaud the effort TS. I appreciate you going through the trouble of not just stating your case but providing gifs to illustrate your points.

Doubt you'll change anyone's mind but good effort nonetheless. This fight was such a letdown. So much hype for so little payoff.
 
I don't know man. Its not only Romero's 3 punches in question. Fatselum turned Izzy's head into a ballon, 20 big shots to the head. Izzy's head was bouncing up and down, back and forth, yet he was never wobbled.
Well, but as gogogoalex has mentioned below, there was a point where Gastelum could've potentially stopped Israel.
I don't remember the exact round (think it was the third or fourth), but Adesanya was hurt, and when Gastelum stood in front of Adesanya who had his back against the cage, Gastelum decided to go for a takedown, instead of continueing to pour it on Israel.
On that fight he was close to being stopped. I remember watching it, and i didn't know who was going to fall first... But he was close to falling i can assure you that.
 
Nice breakdown and 1, 2, 5 Yoel is not really in doubt in my mind. Yoel is the #2 middleweight of all time in my mind.
 
I applaud the effort TS. I appreciate you going through the trouble of not just stating your case but providing gifs to illustrate your points.

Doubt you'll change anyone's mind but good effort nonetheless. This fight was such a letdown. So much hype for so little payoff.

Actually, I don't think that this fight was a letdown, in the sense that it was predictable, kind of.
Both apanyents are essentially counter strikers. Romero's strength is decapitating his apanyent with a counter hook during an exchange. Israel's strengh is striking from range and staying there.

In a way it was kind of logical that it would play out like that.
 
Adesanya did more with leg kicks that round than Romero with his strikes, many of which did barely land.
In the following instance for example, when watching it live, it seemed like Romero connected on three strikes, whereas he only connected the third one really:
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It's Izzy's round.
Thanks for the slow motion gif, now we can see another eye poke from Adesanya, no points deducted, the paralelism with Jones is indeed huge.
 
Actually, I don't think that this fight was a letdown, in the sense that it was predictable, kind of.
Both apanyents are essentially counter strikers. Romero's strength is decapitating his apanyent with a counter hook during an exchange. Israel's strengh is striking from range and staying there.

In a way it was kind of logical that it would play out like that.

100% agree.

it unfolded how we all knew it would and wanted. Yoel landed the hard shots he’s known for. It wasn’t enough to put Izzy away and as a result, people are upset. Izzy fought safe against a power puncher and Yoel waited for windows to explode. They both did what they’re known for. This result shouldn’t be a mind blower.
 
1,2,5 Yoel is how I scored it again after the rewatch, and this thread just proves it. If the roles were reversed and UFC was behind Yoel this would be pretty obvious.

I still do blame Yoel for not being more focused on the take down. There were at least two occasions in those gifs where he was only focused on landing strikes instead of really securing the TD and if he just had that Khabib mindset he would have won.
 
SCORE ROUND 5
Sal D'Amato - Israel Adesanya - 10-9 (Yoel 47-48 Israel)
Chris Lee - Israel Adesanya - 10-9 (Yoel 46-49 Israel)
Ron McCarthy - Israel Adesanya - 10-9 (Yoel 47-48 Israel)
Me - Yoel Romero - 10-9 (Yoel 48-47 Israel)

All that and you've done is confirm that he lost. 3 actual judges gave it to Adesanya but if we include you as an actual honorary judge then it's still 3-1 to Adesanya and Yoel lost.

MMA decisions media scores have it 11 for Adesanya, 6 for Yoel and 1 draw so include them too and it's still an Adesanya win.

Of course none of this matters anyway as who won is just determined by the 3 actual judges and all 3 of them gave round 5 and the fight to Adesanya.
 
Striking>Grappling>Aggression/Control

Its not that confusing at all, if a winner cant be determined by striking you move down the pecking order.If a winner of the round cant be determined from the criteria the round is determined a draw.

Pretty simple if you ask me.

Purely based on your rd 5 analysis, if Rd 5 is 14-12 strikes in Yoels favour, as a judge in the moment Id probably score it a draw in terms of striking.It then comes down to grappling and then aggression/octagon control.

Where do the rules mention the number of strikes?

The new rules are here https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/11...-mma-but-not-same-grounded-fighter-definition but there's no mention of 14 vs 12 mattering at all.
Effective striking is not a numbers game or that would be what the rules say and they'd get rid of judges and just use Compustats or something similar which despite it's name is just people looking at a fight and giving an opinion on whether a strike landed and how hard it landed. It's weird that in a fight like this the judges are wrong but the people who give an opinion on the strikes are right.

e. Effective striking is judged by determining the impact/effect of legal strikes landed
by a contestant solely based on the results of such legal strikes. Effective
grappling is assessed by the successful executions and impactful/effective
result(s) coming from: takedown(s), submission attempt(s), achieving an
advantageous position(s) and reversal(s).

2. Impact: A judge shall assess if a fighter impacts their opponent significantly in the round,
even though they may not have dominated the action. Impact includes visible evidence such as
swelling and lacerations. Impact shall also be assessed when a fighter’s actions, using striking
and/or grappling, lead to a diminishing of their opponent’s energy, confidence, abilities and
spirit. All of these come as a direct result of impact. When a fighter is impacted by strikes, by
lack of control and/or ability, this can create defining moments in the round and shall be
assessed with great value.
 
Grab a seat and a cup of coffee

There’s been a good amount of anger at some decisions of late (Jones vs Reyes, Felder vs Hooker). And after watching this fight (muted). I thought it was the perfect subject to analyse. (Although after some research, Lewis vs NGannou would probably be better).

Why, you ask? Because neither fighter did anything, and so breaking it down is so much easier.
This venture did however take a detour when I realised just how bad the judging criterias are, and MORE IMPORTANTLY how they are actively not followed.
So before we can correctly judge the fight, we have to figure out just what the fuck the rules are:

On November of 2018 the Nevada State Atheletic commision adopted, but did not adopt (wtf) the new Unified Rules of MMA. Further making it the NOT unified rules of MMA. confused yet? don’t worry, it gets worse. The new unified rules favors damage more than anything, although they don’t really call it that. it has a more classy name such as “effective striking”. But regardless. Nevada adopted most of these rules except the one concerning grounded opponents (yeah, that whole cluster fuck). Let’s have a look at the current Judging Criteria for Nevada (or just skip it if it’s boring):





Did you find a lot of weird stuff? me too! let’s break them down.

Well, that doesn’t sound like damage at all. Effective grappling? and it has the /. So that means effective striking and effective grappling are equal? Only one of those things cause damage. Confusing.

Oh, wait, this is interesting. So takedowns do matter. You could argue it’s the results from a takedown, but then we’re just back to effective striking (or a submission). It's not what Khabib does WITH his grappling, this scores his grappling as well as his ground and pound. Also, a horrible way of structuring a sentence. “Assessed by the successful executions and impactful results coming from a takedown.” fire this person, please, thank you.

Now this is probably the biggest gripe I have with the entire judging criteria:


If you haven’t watched MMA, you’d read this and start scoring rounds 10-7. Usman and Khabib should have scoreboards full of 10-7. They should be given out nightly. yet 10-7 are MORE rare than 10-10 which the rule books specifically points out as “RARE”.

Now, if we as MMA tourists are confused, imagine what this is doing to the 50-year-old state employee who had one crash course with Big John and got thrown into the limelight.

Here’s my theory. They’re kind of just winging it, aren’t they? I mean a lot of them know what they’re doing, and judging without replays and from one angle is hard. But it’s pretty clear a lot of them are kind of just watching a round going: “I feel that guy won this round.” and most of the time those two definitions overlap. Because the MMA criteria is pretty close to “who would you not want to be after that round.” Regardless, and enough rambling. Let’s have a look at the Adesanya vs Romero fight:


ROUND 1
Adesanya 2 Strikes
Romero 4 Strikes
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The infamous start. It’s not hard to see what the game plan was: Force the counter-striker to lead. Yoel might be standing still, but Israel is just dancing around him. moving backwards even though the opponent is stationary. SMH.

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Okay, Yoel is not helping his case. Israel finally advances, and Yoel Immediately retreats.

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This moment right here is the problem of the entire fight boiled down into a 2 second gif:
Yoel feints, to were israel moves back. Then Yoel proceeds to do the slowest spin ever in the history of MMA. Hopefully on purpose to draw Israel in, but Israel doesn't bite. The 42 year old man is GIVING YOU HIS BACK! and you go "naw." At this point the shit show is a fact. Both fighters are to blame for this.

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First actual strike. Looks like a decent calf kick.

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Leg kick back. didn't connect, but I'll leave it in, because the reaction it got from Israel could fool the judges into thinking it did.

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Blocked head kick, but at least we're getting somewhere.

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This is the one: Israel finally loses his patience and does exactly what Yoel has been training for. the result is a solid overhand that gets a good reaction from Israel. Better not do that again.

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israel goes back to working on the outside. Another leg kick. this one looks a bit more solid.

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I feel like this is Yoel trying to win the round. A burst of energy, flashy. It lands while Israel's retreating. A bit of a stumble too.

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Inside leg kick. Israel moves away from it, but it still looks scorable.

SCORE ROUND 1
Sal D'Amato - Yoel Romero - 10-9
Chris Lee - Yoel Romero - 10-9
Ron McCarthy - Yoel Romero - 10-9
Me - Yoel Romero - 10-9


they robbed romero
you are goddamn right my friend
 
Send this to joe rogan and dana white
 
ROUND 5
Adesanya 12 Strikes
Romero 14 Strikes

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Blocked high kick

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Oblique kick partially lands as Yoel throws a straight that lands.

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Another oblique kick.

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Jab

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Leg kick

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Straight

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That overhand again. Blocked by Israel.

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Tyron Woodley would be proud. Second hook lands.

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Hook to the midsection, Israel moving out of the way.

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Leg kick.

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Weak ass calf kick.

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Kick to the mid-section.

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Snap jab.

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Straight.

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Grabbing the leg, and a push straight. The optics here are awful: Israel stumbles and runs away across the whole octagon.

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Second jab lands, Hook partially lands.

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Blocked head kick.

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Leg kick city.

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Important moment. 3 strikes that all connect? Israel is visibly shook. That's the round winner right there.

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Yoel ends the round walking Israel down.


SCORE ROUND 5
Sal D'Amato - Israel Adesanya - 10-9 (Yoel 47-48 Israel)
Chris Lee - Israel Adesanya - 10-9 (Yoel 46-49 Israel)
Ron McCarthy - Israel Adesanya - 10-9 (Yoel 47-48 Israel)
Me - Yoel Romero - 10-9 (Yoel 48-47 Israel)

Last round was the easiest to score if you ask me.
And there you have it. The new champion Yoel Romero.

Israel kept kicking Yoel's legs, but Yoel kept hitting Israels face. I've tried to keep as many of the strikes in so you can see them for yourself. The only ones omitted are the ones that did not connect. Lastly to note; I'm not a fan of either fighter. MW hasn't really grabbed my attention, if I were to chose a fighter to root for it would be Hermansson. But it is an interesting exercise into how fights are judged vs how they are supposed to be judged.


Yes, I have no life.
Yes, this was too long to read, bro.
On the night I gave Yoel rounds 1 and 5 but in the end I think he took round 2 as well.

That said, I'm glad the judges gave Izzy the last round because for most of the fight Izzy was feinting, testing, trying to make something happen.... but Yoel was crafty and just shelled up and waited for Izzy to wade into his preferred range to launch his singular weapon of that stunning overhand left. That's all Romero wanted to do all night.

He avoided engagement until the 5th, when he knew his gas tank wouldn't be an issue. He lulled us all asleep by not doing anything. He didn't respond to any of Izzy's feints or new angles. He just shelled up.

To me, we don't want a champ who wins by shelling up and doing nothing, who often doesn't make weight, and who is 42 yrs old. I admit these are not scoring criteria. But I'm glad the judges found some criteria by which to give Izzy the 5th, because Izzy's fights are, by and large, more exciting than Yoel's and Izzy makes weight, and he was TRYING to fight the whole time Yoel was AVOIDING the fight.

Not much happened but that's largely Yoel's fault.

That said, I do agree that Yoel might have won on the scorecards. Tbh, I think the judges were just fed up with him by the 5th round and were not going to give it to him. Hard for him to complain after that performance.

Weird fight. Bring on attacking Costa and let's get it on!!
 
ROUND 5
Adesanya 12 Strikes
Romero 14 Strikes

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Blocked high kick

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Oblique kick partially lands as Yoel throws a straight that lands.

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Another oblique kick.

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Jab

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Leg kick

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Straight

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That overhand again. Blocked by Israel.

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Tyron Woodley would be proud. Second hook lands.

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Hook to the midsection, Israel moving out of the way.

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Leg kick.

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Weak ass calf kick.

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Kick to the mid-section.

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Snap jab.

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Straight.

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Grabbing the leg, and a push straight. The optics here are awful: Israel stumbles and runs away across the whole octagon.

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Second jab lands, Hook partially lands.

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Blocked head kick.

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Leg kick city.

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Important moment. 3 strikes that all connect? Israel is visibly shook. That's the round winner right there.

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Yoel ends the round walking Israel down.


SCORE ROUND 5
Sal D'Amato - Israel Adesanya - 10-9 (Yoel 47-48 Israel)
Chris Lee - Israel Adesanya - 10-9 (Yoel 46-49 Israel)
Ron McCarthy - Israel Adesanya - 10-9 (Yoel 47-48 Israel)
Me - Yoel Romero - 10-9 (Yoel 48-47 Israel)

Last round was the easiest to score if you ask me.
And there you have it. The new champion Yoel Romero.

Israel kept kicking Yoel's legs, but Yoel kept hitting Israels face. I've tried to keep as many of the strikes in so you can see them for yourself. The only ones omitted are the ones that did not connect. Lastly to note; I'm not a fan of either fighter. MW hasn't really grabbed my attention, if I were to chose a fighter to root for it would be Hermansson. But it is an interesting exercise into how fights are judged vs how they are supposed to be judged.


Yes, I have no life.
Yes, this was too long to read, bro.

You are legend✊
And , your name is Kel also...so that's extra credit
 
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LOL, after all that and I actually read it......no, Izzy won that fight exactly how it was scored.
 
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