How is it different? I mean, in the big scheme of things the point of sewage removal is to reduce our exposure to potential pathogens. Where do these pathogens come from? Uhhhh, us, often.
But sewage does has a significant effect on health improvement.
Its not the same to remove vast amounts of pathogens than removing insignificant amounts, does sewage works? indeed there is evidence of that.
Does spraying alcohol on a toilet seat works?
Pretty unnecessary to understand basic disease communication. Modes of disease transmission are: human -> fomite -> human, fecal-oral, oral-oral, aerosol, etc, etc. If you're innoculating a fomite with potential pathogens on a daily basis, and they are accumulating, then you're increasing your risk.
So we should live in bubbles? there is a difference between potentially disease carrying concentration of pathogens is key.
Does people care about 1 or 2 CFU landed on meat when they eat? no, then why does meat industry has such high standards? Because the concentration upon contamination =/= concentration upon consumption.
A gi may have a few pathogens but their concentrations may not present any risk, just like money, public transport and shaking hands at the end of class carries pathogens. Do you know shake the hand of your teammates at the end of class?
If a gi is properly dried and aereated there is no time or risk of CFU to actually develop into full fledged colonies, SPECIALLY when sweat itself carries powerful antiseptics.
I.e. you don't have to do a scientific study to know that if you stick your dick in a blender it hurts. Just like you don't need to do a study specifically about BJJ and Gi's to know that cotton is a fomite, and washing reduces infectious disease load. There are studies that prove both of those things--in fact, cotton swabs are often used as a fomite in microbiology labs and our cotton lab coats are required to be washed after microbiology loabs! Herp derp!
Comparing the level of sanitation required in a lab or a hospital to the level of sanitation of real life is like comparing mall security to a military base. DERP DERP.
Yes, you do require an study before telling people they need to start living in spacesuits and spraying alcohol everywhere.
MYSOPHOBIA look it up.
In hospitals you have a lot of immune compromised people and high level of concentration of pathogens, plus a lot of personal mobility so sanitation is higher.
In the meat industry sanitation is extremely important when fresh meat is going to spend days before being consumed and pathogens have the potential to procreate, at a restaurant? not so much. That's why we can eat shellfish out of the sea, because concentration of pathogens in a healthy clam is low, have that clam dead for 2 days and its a bio weapon.
You also don't need to be Einstein to know that force=mass*acceleration.
Strawman, you really wont get far in medicine unless you treat it with respect.
And, since you're the person suggesting that something "isn't" dangerous, the burden of proof is on YOUR side! The risks of doing what you suggest are higher than doing what we suggest.
For someone pulling ad hominem you really suck
The null hypothesis is that there is no correlation between washing the gi everyday and a lower incidence of skin disease, the NULL hypothesis is the one that needs to be disproven, not the other way around. That's why nobody respects the FDA anymore.
What seems logical its not always so.
I can do the same thing
"defense soap kills bacteria, therefore defense soap is better than regular soap, its logical so its true, no need to prove".
No, my education means I understand scientific articles AND disease processes, transmission, etiology, etc. Your education means that you know how to read scientific articles and environmental science issues.
Again, evidence > ad hominem.
My education also trained me and more specially my wife into how to make clean processes in order to be able to pass standarization processes like HACCP. My education specially allowed me to see, that lab =/= real life.
As much as you believe in you, Hospitals are still controlled enviroments where special considerations are to be made, there needs to be a zero tolerance to pathogens. That its not the real world.
Burden of proof is on you, since you're advocating what are widely considered to be unsafe actions. I don't need to prove well-established knowledge o_0
Grappling is a widely considered unsafe actions and we dont know if the gi factor is independent of training, so yes, you would have a point (still needs to be proven) if we compared people who didnt grappled and used gis (aereated but not washed every session) compared to people who didnt grappled and used gis washed every session, that means a completely unrealistic scenario.
Really, its looking better to be a physician, you dont need to prove shit, you simply say, it has some logic so its true and to prove it would cost millions so simply hear me.
We who actually have to prove things with expensive time consuming and redundant sounding experiments actually have to prove stuff with field experiments.
Yep. That's true. Antibacterial soaps aren't doing you any good people. You're killing off normal flora and allowing for opportunistic infection. But, your Gi isn't your skin and washing with soap isn't the same as washing with antibiotic soap.
Im merely pointing out a flaw on an otherwise "logical" sounding theory.
So, keep your Gi clean so as not to expose yourself to potential pathogens, and don't kill the protective normal flora of your skin, allowing for opportunistic infections from bacteria such as strep and staph, or fungal tinea infections.
You literally have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry, bud, but it's the truth.
So asking for a piece of evidence when the empirical evidence (people from country where they dont wash judogis everyday are not more prone to infections) says otherwise?
If Americans are so clean, why is that in every single gym there is staph or ringworm?
I don't have time to read your article, but it's really nothing new that our body produces antibiotics. We've known that for ages. Just because a novel antibiotic was discovered doesn't mean that innate and acquired immunity to pathogens is a novel concept--it's not. And, if you're so awe-struck with our own natural defenses, I suggest that if you ever get a nasty case of MRSA or cellulitis you let them do their thing without any synthetic antibiotic therapy.
Cool, so you bring an Ad Hominem, claim that your Alternative hypothesis doesnt bears the burden of the proof as its fairly logical and then dismiss an article that shows that sweat (like saliva) has powerful antiseptic properties? Yes, you are such the great researcher. Good thing medicine is so hard to experiment well on, too much room for lazy researchers.
Nutrition is more complex than infection risk. In addition, people get stuff wrong... such is life. Environmental "scientists" like yourself convinced Australia that they had severe droughts coming b/c of climate change.
Actually that's meteorologists, im not a meteorologist.
What happens? Uhh, they just had some of the worst flooding in recent history. Am I to discredit all environmental science now?
You can discredit meteorology, but i have yet to hear about a meteorology to talk in absolutes as you have, they in fact love to bring a lot of mathematical modelling into the fray, talking to a climatologists is like talking to a mathematician that loves when mathematics are wrong, because the weather because of its inmensity its the only field where the normal distribution doesnt applies because everything is a part of a cycle of a cycle of a cycle.
Do it. But, you're advocating potentially dangerous behavior, not me. So, you provide the proof that wearing dirty clothes doesn't increase your risk of infection in an environment where close contact is common. And, for your sake, I'll pretend I've never heard about all of the many nosocomial infections we see in hospitals due to people having unsanitary practices, or fomite transmission.
I dont have to prove a null hypothesis, that's why its called null hypothesis, you are also claiming that a cloth that was sweated by a healthy man and properly aereated is "dirty" when does a cloth starts being dirty to begin with? if my training session is 1 hour and i finish and then train an hour the other day when i start is it dirty? so if i train 2 hours i have to take my "dirty" gi? you make no sense whatsoever.
