How much weight is cut on average? How much water weight do fighters cut?

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Hasn't the CSAC adopted the 15% body weight rule for rehydration?

Yes, 14%. They're told to either move up, or work with CSAC to get their license renewed at that weight.

Ladd chose the latter. https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/27927044/ufc-aspen-ladd-suspension-lifted-csac.

Costa did neither. So he's un-licensed in CA at 185. But since other states don't seem to be respecting this (it's not a 'suspension', which they would respect), he can just fight elsewhere.

 

[kellier]

Yes, 14%. They're told to either move up, or work with CSAC to get their license renewed at that weight.

Ladd chose the latter. https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/27927044/ufc-aspen-ladd-suspension-lifted-csac.

Costa did neither. So he's un-licensed in CA at 185. But since other states don't seem to be respecting this (it's not a 'suspension', which they would respect), he can just fight elsewhere.

I assumed NSAC would uphold another commission's decision not to license a fighter.

I think 1st offence is a warning and educational support, with monitored periodic weight loss for next bout. 2nd offence they "recommend" you move up.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

I assumed NSAC would uphold another commission's decision not to license a fighter.

I think 1st offence is a warning and educational support, with monitored periodic weight loss for next bout. 2nd offence they "recommend" you move up.

Well, Sodiq Yusuff has fought twice in Nevada since being warned by CSAC. So who knows.

That being said, I have tried to stick to facts in this thread, and I will admit I don't understand the ins and outs of this rule across states.

 

[Miokink026]

going from 300lbs to 265lbs through a training camp is not cutting. cutting is dehydration, which is done in the final 2-3 days before the weigh-ins.

losing weight is not the same thing as cutting weight, and is completely irrelevant to fighting. someone trimming down 20lbs of fat through cardio has absolutely no relevance to this debate.

That's because he changed the factors involved in the debate.

He originally believed 300 lb men are too big to cut to 265. It's logical to assume he meant under regular circumstances and NOT under 24 hours, which is ridiculous.

Are all Sherdoggers like you two?

• Yeah it is like even on steroids the body is limited. I maintain the ideal HW would be 6"6 to 6"10, and weigh 270lbs to 300lbs. Semmy Schilt is 6"11, weighed 300lbs in his prime in Kickboxing. Imagine if he was actually ripped or jacked he would of been probably 320lbs lol and imagine if he trained wrestling?
• But 300lbs is too big to make UFC HW cap of 265lb. But a 6"8, 280lb, juiced but relatively lean guy is probably most ideal for HW. He would have height and realistically reach on all current HW, and wouldnt be the heaviest but would be leanest at at a higher weight.

This is his original comment. He literally thought 300 lbs is too big for 265. Period. He didn't mention pre fight night weight being 300 lbs, he didn't mention octagon weight. He simply stated 300 lb men are too big for 265.

I mean, either you're his alt or you're so retarded you can't comprehend he added "water weight" here and never mentioned it in the other thread.

 

[randomg1t]

That's because he changed the factors involved in the debate.

He originally believed 300 lb men are too big to cut to 265. It's logical to assume he meant under regular circumstances and NOT under 24 hours, which is ridiculous.

Are all Sherdoggers like you two?

• Yeah it is like even on steroids the body is limited. I maintain the ideal HW would be 6"6 to 6"10, and weigh 270lbs to 300lbs. Semmy Schilt is 6"11, weighed 300lbs in his prime in Kickboxing. Imagine if he was actually ripped or jacked he would of been probably 320lbs lol and imagine if he trained wrestling?
• But 300lbs is too big to make UFC HW cap of 265lb. But a 6"8, 280lb, juiced but relatively lean guy is probably most ideal for HW. He would have height and realistically reach on all current HW, and wouldnt be the heaviest but would be leanest at at a higher weight.

This is his original comment. He literally thought 300 lbs is too big for 265. Period. He didn't mention pre fight night weight being 300 lbs, he didn't mention octagon weight. He simply stated 300 lb men are too big for 265.

I mean, either you're his alt or you're so retarded you can't comprehend he added "water weight" here and never mentioned it in the other thread.

i never read the other thread, nor do i give two fucks about it, or the beef you two have. i'm here talking about how much fighters cut.

and i mean actual weight cut, not some alternative meaning idiots in here attribute to the phrase because they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

 

[Miokink026]

i never read the other thread, nor do i give two fucks about it, or the beef you two have. i'm here talking about how much fighters cut.

and i mean actual weight cut, not some alternative meaning idiots in here attribute to the phrase because they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

if you have no interest, then why reply to me at all since him and I were talking about a completely different thing?

You're the type of dude who says he hates drama but actually inserts himself into drama to say it trying to get a reaction. Get a life son...

 

[El Fernas]

California reweighs fighters the day of the fight. This gives a fairly accurate picture of how much water weight fighters cut. On top of that, many fighters lose between 5 to 15 pounds during their fight camp before starting their water cut.

Some crazy numbers there, good info, too bad that is not standar procedure for the UFC, but i guess they dont want any attention on weight cut unless they get a death in the octagon or something.

Funny that weight class doesnt seem to relate with the amount some cut, in that image only one guy is a LHW and he isnt even at the top of the list, its the rest of the weight classes the one doing crazy cuts.

 

[randomg1t]

if you have no interest, then why reply to me at all since him and I were talking about a completely different thing?

You're the type of dude who says he hates drama but actually inserts himself into drama to say it trying to get a reaction. Get a life son...

because you responded to my post, and said 300lbs dudes cut to 265lbs through a training camp... which is nonsensical. you don't cut during camp, you cut in the final days before the weigh-in and rehydrate immediately after.

you inserted yourself into the debate and then got all offended when i pointed out what cutting actually means.

the fuck you on about now?

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

California reweighs fighters the day of the fight. This gives a fairly accurate picture of how much water weight fighters cut. On top of that, many fighters lose between 5 to 15 pounds during their fight camp before starting their water cut.

Where did you get that? I'd like to add it to my list of sources. Thanks.

 

[Miokink026]

because you responded to my post, and said 300lbs dudes cut to 265lbs through a training camp... which is nonsensical. you don't cut during camp, you cut in the final days before the weigh-in and rehydrate immediately after.

you inserted yourself into the debate and then got all offended when i pointed out what cutting actually means.

the fuck you on about now?

I tagged you because i had to clear my name? I simply explained he moved the goalposts. I never said I believed people could cut 50 lbs of water weight in 24 hours. You would've done the same in my shoes so don't get your panties in a twist.

And yeah, I inserted myself into a debate where the first comment was about what I believed from a man who twisted my words and made this entire thing in an attempt to discredit me. Good job.

 

[randomg1t]

I tagged you because i had to clear my name? I simply explained he moved the goalposts. I never said I believed people could cut 50 lbs of water weight in 24 hours. You would've done the same in my shoes so don't get your panties in a twist.

And yeah, I inserted myself into a debate where the first comment was about what I believed. Good job.

how many ways are there for me to say this? cutting weight means dehydrating. do you understand that? you repeatedly in this thread said people cut from 300lbs to 265lbs throughout training camps and not in the final days. that's the wrong use of the phrase cutting weight, because it's not what it fucking means.

i don't care about you clearing your name, this is an online forum, not a court house.

but if you're going to bitch and moan about it, if the original debate was about cutting, then nobody moved the goalposts when they asked about a 24h period. you just didn't know (and apparently still don't?!) what cutting weight means.

 

[El Fernas]

good point. So roughly when do people start the water-weight cut? I'm wondering how we could accurately measure that part. Compare the weigh-in weight to what it was the day before? or two days before?

I think Chael or Bisping have a couple of decent videos regarding weight cut, it seems a process of probably over a week prior to weigh-in then the final weight-cut on the last 1-2 days simply cause then cant function while dehydrated that badly, its not like they were not dehdyrating themselves, its slow at first and then they go full speed to actually make weight.

 

[Miokink026]

how many ways are there for me to say this? cutting weight means dehydrating. do you understand that? you repeatedly in this thread said people cut from 300lbs to 265lbs throughout training camps and not in the final days. that's the wrong use of the phrase cutting weight, because it's not what it fucking means.

i don't care about you clearing your name, this is an online forum, not a court house.

but if you're going to bitch and moan about it, if the original debate was about cutting, then nobody moved the goalposts when they asked about a 24h period. you just didn't know (and apparently still don't?!) what cutting weight means.

i don't care about you clearing your name, this is an online forum, not a court house.​

Then you should also not care about splitting hairs but being the hypocrite that you are, you graciously gave yourself that pass ; )

The original debate was about whether 300 lb men can make 265 lbs. No mention of cutting, whatever definition you want it to have, no mention of octagon weight. If he DID mention that it had to be on fight night, we wouldn't be here. Yes, people can't cut 30 lbs of water weight in one night. There, done.

Look, why are we even arguing? Even if I win this argument or you do, both of us will come out looking ridiculous. This is such a trivial matter to bicker about. You're fighting another man's battles without knowing what he said, me for still going on about this...

 

[Johnnny]

Where did you get that? I'd like to add it to my list of sources. Thanks.

California implemented that policy in 2017. You can google UFC and Bellator events held in California since then. For example, google images for "CSAC UFC 241 weight".

 

[randomg1t]

i don't care about you clearing your name, this is an online forum, not a court house.​

Then you should also not care about splitting hairs but being the hypocrite that you are, you graciously gave yourself that pass ; )

The original debate was about whether 300 lb men can make 265 lbs. No mention of cutting, whatever definition you want it to have, no mention of octagon weight. If he DID mention that it had to beiton fight night, we wouldn't be here. Yes, people can't cut 30 lbs of water weight in one night. There, done.

Look, why are we even arguing? Even if I win this argument or you do, both of us will come out looking ridiculous. This is such a trivial matter to bicker about. You're fighting another man's battles without knowing what he said, me for still going on about this...

the hilarious part is that in the original post of mine that you quoted, i actually said a heavyweight could probably cut 35lbs. it's an extreme cut, even for a 300lbs man, but they're the only ones conceivably capable of doing it, because their body just holds up that much water they can shed.

so even if you had claimed that they can cut 35lbs, i'd have reluctantly agreed with you that it's possible.

so yeah, i'd agree that it's trivial in this particular exchange, but it's not trivial in general when you have a bunch of morons around here saying khabib should be fighting at LHW because he's 200lbs 6 months before his fight. ignoramuses either believe the man actually dehydrates himself of 45lbs of water, or they believe that him weighing 200lbs and then dieting down to 175 somehow gives him an advantage. both those opinions are so dense they make my head spin.

it's like confusing triangles and armbars. does it matter in the grand scheme of things as far as humanity is concerned? of course not, it's a petty, trivial argument. but if some dipshit repeatedly talked about how anderson silva armbarred chael sonnen, we'd all be telling him to fuck off already. you know?

 

[Miokink026]

the hilarious part is that in the original post of mine that you quoted, i actually said a heavyweight could probably cut 35lbs. it's an extreme cut, even for a 300lbs man, but they're the only ones conceivably capable of doing it, because their body just holds up that much water they can shed.

so even if you had claimed that they can cut 35lbs, i'd have reluctantly agreed with you that it's possible.

so yeah, i'd agree that it's trivial in this particular exchange, but it's not trivial in general when you have a bunch of morons around here saying khabib should be fighting at LHW because he's 200lbs 6 months before his fight. ignoramuses either believe the man actually dehydrates himself of 45lbs of water, or they believe that him weighing 200lbs and then dieting down to 175 somehow gives him an advantage. both those opinions are so dense they make my head spin.

it's like confusing triangles and armbars. does it matter in the grand scheme of things as far as humanity is concerned? of course not, it's a petty, trivial argument. but if some dipshit repeatedly talked about how anderson silva armbarred chael sonnen, we'd all be telling him to fuck off already. you know?

Fucking hell that was... something, wasn't it? We were in agreement the whole time but my stupid ass was far too aggressive about it. Sorry, my bad but the man was so truly, amazingly dumb it really confused me for a sec.

I wouldn't even care if not for the fact that he actually made a damned thread and lied about what I said. I'm sure you can relate but still, I apologize for the attitude.

 

[randomg1t]

Fucking hell that was... something, wasn't it? We were in agreement the whole time but my stupid ass was far too aggressive about it. Sorry, my bad but the man was so truly, amazingly dumb it really confused me for a sec.

nothing to apologize about. we're good here.

 

[Poatan Power]

20 lbs is basically the going rate.

But, the different weights:

1.) Walk around weight - non-fight camp, my normal body composition if I was doing a 9-5 and hitting the weights/MMA gym 4-5 days a week

2.) Camp weight - I'm low BF %, have all my water weight, but diet is tuned in and I'm working out basically every day multiple times a day

3.) Fight weight - shredded, nothing but water weight to lose

 

[HockeyBjj]

When some people say "cut weight" they're talking to include the diet and exercise portion of training camp. These are the people who claim Dustin "cuts" from 190 pounds. As that's where he'll start 8-12 weeks out before the fight when he goes from training to training fucking hard for a fight

Others say cut weight and they mean the 24-48 hours before weigh ins where it's all water manipulation. That's about 15-20 pounds for most guys.

 

[GrantB13]

20-25 starts to become a talking point from what I remember. Like Costa being a heavyweight and cutting down to 185.