Opinion How have the current Riots affected your voting decision?

[skysolo]

Does that excuse people from burning and looting from places that have nothing to do with their cause?

I don't know man.

Did the colonist have an excuse to destroy the lands of the natives who had nothing to do with their cause? What about the collateral damage cause by the American revolution?

I'm not justifying the behavior of the rioters. I wish there was a MLK type to calm things. I wish we would listen more to people like Cornell West or Bernie Sanders.

I'm just saying, we shouldn't be surprised at the anger and violence that is happening. This country started with anger and violence.

 

[Handsome Bruce]

The riots may cause a few billion in damages.

But let me ask you this, who gave the richest of the rich upwards of 5 trillion of tax payer money during a pandemic while 40 million are out of work and there are food lines? Do you think the re-distribution of wealth to the tippy top will destroy the country more than some property damage?

The obscenely wealthy will always win regardless of the tragedy and the political party. Do you think Hillary or Biden would not have sold out to the richest of the rich?

 

[Oliver Clothesoff]

I think after this people are going to want a return to their pre-covid lives as much as possible and not elect someone who wants to institute radical changes and the "new normal" that the very vocal leftist wing of the Democrat party is demanding. For better or worse, the Dems have let themselves become the party of out of touch elites, prolonged shutdowns, homelessness, feces, Socialism, endless hoax investigations, higher taxes, crime and now, riots.

Biden is too old, too feeble, too corrupt, and too much in China's pocket. I suspect many moderates who may have been lifetime Democrats like myself, will switch parties temporarily and vote for Trump for the good of their families and community. The sad reality is, the Democrats are no longer the party that we used to support. The goals of the new left are not appealing to moderates in the middle class, and hating Trump alone just isn't going to be enough to get our votes.

 

[skysolo]

The obscenely wealthy will always win regardless of the tragedy and the political party. Do you think Hillary or Biden would not have sold out to the richest of the rich?

My bad. I thought I was clear that both sides sold us out.

When the recession happened with Obama (he didn't cause it), but the first thing he did was make sure rich people got paid first. Biden wrote the crime bill which helped police violence in black neighborhoods. Clinton the first passed the bankruptcy bill and helped shipped millions of jobs away.

CARES was passed bi-partisan support with almost no opposition (Senate 96-0 and the House 414-6). Only two members of Congress publicly opposed it before and during the time it was being passed.

 

[ElKarlo]

This reinforced my apprehension of the left. Their agenda is a radical equality by any means necessary tentamount to Communism. Stifling free speech, looting and arson. Ongoing victim Olympics. War against whites. They will turn America into sub-Saharan Africa if they need to and that's what they're doing now. I will vote Republican all the way.

This is the crux of the problem. As bad as Trump is, he isn't the left. The left is toxic reign of terror crazy.

 

[Zazen]

I'm not sure what I believe in anymore. I'm for universal healthcare and UBI but not at the cost of having our nation destroyed. I've seen anti-white rhetoric continue and it is becoming normalized by the left. I live in Philly and most of the stuff I see is black on black crime which completely destroys the narrative of left wing media

I'm also for order, seems insane to me how many people are choosing the side of rioters. I want an end to this nonsense, destroying an already hurt economy? Burning American flags while carrying a Mexican one? So much weird crap

I took social distancing and wearing a mask seriously. Now I'm racist if I don't support these "protests". Well what the fuck happened to coronavirus?

It is a wacky time to be living in. I might just sit this one out.

 

[Higus]

Read up on the Boston tea party.

Cross my heart, I'm giving it an honest effort and I'm not finding anything that makes it relevant.

 

[The Diplomat]

Cross my heart, I'm giving it an honest effort and I'm not finding anything that makes it relevant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

British East India Company.

 

[Handsome Bruce]

I took social distancing and wearing a mask seriously. Now I'm racist if I don't support these "protests". Well what the fuck happened to coronavirus?

It is a wacky time to be living in. I might just sit this one out.

That is leftard logic, my man. If you do not 100 percent completely agree with the latest fashionable cause created on a whim by some lunatics on the left, then you are not an ally and are called whatever insult or (insert name here)-phobic that is trending among the leftists for that week. Double-standards and being a hypocrite do not matter to a leftard as long as you are on the bandwagon that is trending at the moment.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

Come on, dude. It's been pretty obvious from long before he was even president that Trump's been subject to more scrutiny than anyone who's ever held the office. Obama got it too, but not to anything like the same degree.

Its likely cause he has been the worst president, the biggest liar and surrounds himself with same minded criminals. It's funny cause if Trump ever wanted Hillary to go to jail all he had to do is hire her on his staff. Sure fire way for her to end up in jail.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

That is leftard logic, my man. If you do not 100 percent completely agree with the latest fashionable cause created on a whim by some lunatics on the left, then you are not an ally and are called whatever insult or (insert name here)-phobic that is trending among the leftists for that week. Double-standards and being a hypocrite do not matter to a leftard as long as you are on the bandwagon that is trending at the moment.

Oh good another Alt account

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Its likely cause he has been the worst president, the biggest liar and surrounds himself with same minded criminals. It's funny cause if Trump ever wanted Hillary to go to jail all he had to do is hire her on his staff. Sure fire way for her to end up in jail.

Your reading comprehension is pretty bad, hey?

 

[Captain Davis]

Lol, the Confederate apologist who goes on about state's rights now is a law and order guy supporting the police crackdown. Against government overreach unless its leftist protestors and blacks under the boot. But slaving owning plantation families? T-They have the right to spark a civil war! How dare you try to free slaves without compensation!

How many people have cops pulled out of a crowd randomly to assault? People need to take responsibility for their own actions. Then the police wouldn’t be there in the first place.

mobs destroying private property and committing violence against people who had nothing to do with any police interactions with criminals.

I’m all for protests, but once one destroys someone else’s property or assaults someone not involved, that’s where I have a problem. What does looting Target and a jewelry store Have to do with police brutality?

please explain how burning apartment buildings and museums addresses police brutality?

this will not help their cause, it will only further divide and galvanize their oppressors and lose any sympathy from the people being being assaulted who have nothing to do with it.

That’s what a Confederate apologist thinks about it.

 

[Oliver Clothesoff]

I think a lot of people are realizing that they only wanted radical change right up until they got it. The Covid shutdown was an instant look at what radical change looks like in real time and how fast things can go to shit.

For a lot of us in the middle class our boring lives and steady incomes before Covid is starting to not look so bad now. Biden coming along with all his corruption, lack of coherent policy, and dementia laden drivel does not inspire confidence that he has the wherewithal to lead us out of this mess. If anything, he'd probably make it worse.

 

[Bob Sapp]

I wasnt planning on voting at all before the riots. Now I will vote for Trump after seeing how the antifa mob has been destroying America.
Im not white btw.

 

[Zazen]

How many people have cops pulled out of a crowd randomly to assault? People need to take responsibility for their own actions. Then the police wouldn’t be there in the first place.

mobs destroying private property and committing violence against people who had nothing to do with any police interactions with criminals.

I’m all for protests, but once one destroys someone else’s property or assaults someone not involved, that’s where I have a problem. What does looting Target and a jewelry store Have to do with police brutality?

please explain how burning apartment buildings and museums addresses police brutality?

this will not help their cause, it will only further divide and galvanize their oppressors and lose any sympathy from the people being being assaulted who have nothing to do with it.

That’s what a Confederate apologist thinks about it.

It's a lot worse than that too, I just watched a video of some people driving around Santa Monica in the middle of the afternoon and you just see cars randomly stop on the road, loot a store and drive again. This was happening everywhere.

People keep saying its mostly peaceful and these looters/rioters are just a few bad apples. I'm not seeing that at all.

 

[Bob Sapp]

I don't know man.

Did the colonist have an excuse to destroy the lands of the natives who had nothing to do with their cause? What about the collateral damage cause by the American revolution?

I'm not justifying the behavior of the rioters. I wish there was a MLK type to calm things. I wish we would listen more to people like Cornell West or Bernie Sanders.

I'm just saying, we shouldn't be surprised at the anger and violence that is happening. This country started with anger and violence.

So youre basically throwing all laws out the window now because of Colonists. Where do you draw the line? Or do you always that silly argument? Free for all right? Let the purge begin.

 

[Islam Imamate]

How many people have cops pulled out of a crowd randomly to assault? People need to take responsibility for their own actions. Then the police wouldn’t be there in the first place.

This all started because police don't want to take responsibility for their actions. They abuse their authority and cover for their pig friends until the public has had enough and now you want to talk about responsibility? Ha, okay.

please explain how burning apartment buildings and museums addresses police brutality?

this will not help their cause, it will only further divide and galvanize their oppressors and lose any sympathy from the people being being assaulted who have nothing to do with it.

They could probably do nothing to satisfy your nitpicking. If someone wants to protest peacefully by kneeling during the anthem or blocking a road or something then Americans like you start whining about the protests being inconvenient or infringing on their sports or whatever.

That’s what a Confederate apologist thinks about it.

Not surprised, like I said you're 100% okay with government tyranny so long as its leftist protestors and blacks under the government boot and not people who look and think like you.

 

[skysolo]

So youre basically throwing all laws out the window now because of Colonists. Where do you draw the line? Or do you always that silly argument? Free for all right? Let the purge begin.

Did you even read my entire post? I will repost it and highlight what I think you missed.

Where in my post did I dismiss the idea of the rule of law? Where did I say that I agree with destroying our own shit? Point it out please.

I don't know man.

Did the colonist have an excuse to destroy the lands of the natives who had nothing to do with their cause? What about the collateral damage cause by the American revolution?

I'm not justifying the behavior of the rioters. I wish there was a MLK type to calm things. I wish we would listen more to people like Cornell West or Bernie Sanders.

I'm just saying, we shouldn't be surprised at the anger and violence that is happening. This country started with anger and violence.

 

[TheLastSpartan]

I think the majority of those are kids with no real political backbone or moral fiber, just looking to cause mayhem because the man is bad and this is their moment to be revolutionaries on twitter and instagram.

A significant number sure, that is not up for debate. However, I think you're mis-characterizing the frustration of a whole lot of Americans who simply have had enough. Enough with the notion of a country as idealistic as this, policing its own citizens in a fashion resembling China or Russia than it does any 1st world country.

What is the real end game here?

For the actual protesters? Police reform.

What kind of legal reform would change what we have now?

*More stringent hiring standards
*Longer and more rigorous basic training
*Continuous in-service training (conflict resolution training, de-escalation tactics, combatives etc.)
*Significantly better pay in accordance with all these other directives
*Mandated body-cam usage (ideally federally set)
*Mandatory citizen review boards
*Felony charges for body-cam tampering (ideally federally set)
*Funding (at least partially) police misconduct settlements directly out of police pensions rather than city coffers
*Anonymous whistleblower protection (ideally federally set)
*Legislating the removal of unfair police protections imposed by the unions (includes getting rid of qualified immunity)
*Mandating special prosecutors for police misconduct cases (will ideally limit legal bias)
*Incentivizing community hiring
*Decentivizing quota-based policing (instead promoting community engagement performance goals, spotless disciplinary records etc)

Among other things...