How good was Fedor really? Was he truly elite?

[forsh]

Fedor is the greatest MMA heavyweight of all time.

 

[moreorless87]

I'm not your mommy bro, I'm not to hold your hand and coddle you. It is very easy to find. If you actually are interested in learning the craziness that was happening over there I again highly recommend looking up Miro Mijatovic he explains it all first hand and it is wild stuff.

Why do you think Pride died?

Also what is with your Chael obsession? The guy has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at all but you can't stop talking about him, that is getting weird.

If evidence of Pride fixing masses of fights and whats more it getting worse the longer the org went on them point me to it, the truth if you can't because it isnt and honestly I'd be surprised if you had anything but the most basic knowledge of this part of MMA history, I mention Chael because your posting reminds me very much on the generalised guff he used to troll with.

What it really comes down to is respecting the fighters, your claiming masses of fighters involved in Pride fixed matches, one of the most disrespectful things you can claim, you better have some evidence for that.

 

[Pierce 34]

Everyone is glossing Poatan for fighting bunch of times in a year, what do you think fedor did?

 

[JBJ was here]

If evidence of Pride fixing masses of fights

Let's stop right there. Of course Pride didn't fix masses of fights, at least after its first few events. Fixing masses of fights would have been profoundly stupid. The Yakuza ran the Japanese sports book when sports betting was an underground and private affair; they made their gambling money primarily taking bets on fights, not making bets on fights. Sports betting today is a ridiculously lucrative business at 5% pre-cost margins because it's a safe margin and sports betting is popular and was even in the Pride days - that's why the Yakuza was involved. Even if the Yakuza had enforcement costs that FanDuel doesn't, it didn't take much to vastly increase the return on whatever margin they were making. When your margins are 5% or even 10%, safe, and there's plenty of money involved, changing the odds for the house to win a bet from 50% to 51% is more than enough to kill for.

 

[Chayanne]

Jones prime vs Fedor Prime, Fedor wins

 

[Stixx]

Fedor was OK. Just like Muhammad Ali.

 

[Pierce 34]

I'm not being dismissive. Its just that I understand the difference between beating an all time great HW when they're at their best and in their 20s and beating an all time great HW when they're 40 years old and well past their prime.

Fedor had 23 fights in his first 4 years and became world champion by beating an all time great HW twice when he was in his 20s and at his best and out classing everyone else who was a contender. That's how many fights Stipe has in 14 years! Stipe was getting knocked out by Stefan Struve 3 years into is career.

After Fedor became the HW champion he won his next consecutive 18 fights. In those 18 fights he beat Big Nog, Mirko, Arlovski when they were at their absolute peaks and in their 20s. He also beat peak momentum Randleman who was coming off a KO win over Mirko in that 18 fight span. Not to mention he also beat guys like Sylvia and Hunt in that span and also Mark Coleman who got a fight with Fedor because he had just beaten top 5 P4P Shogun.

Stipe beat a 39 year old Werdum who went 4-5 in his next 9 fights and the average age of his next 10 opponents was damn near 40 years old.

You'd have to be so biased and dismissive to not understand the significance of this.

Stipe is still an all time great. His list of wins still looks amazing and has good wins on it but only a UFC fanboy would say his body of work was superior to Fedors. It's almost like beating fighters in their prime means nothing.

Just curious if you count Stipe’s loss to Jones as a legit loss. Because Steep was way past his prime in that fight