How does everyone feel about the spending bill?

You are aware that criticism can be made without bringing up the other party correct? Or can criticism only be made if the other option is perfect in every way?
I totally agree.

Did you read the OP in this thread? The whole premise of this thread is to shit on one party's dishonesty/hypocrisy in a comparative manner. It isn't an objective critique. I'm all for saying that either party sucks or that both parties suck. It's the "we're better than you" type of mudslinging that I can't get on board with. Something or other about living in a glass house
 
Don't tell me what to ignore!
 
I totally agree.

Did you read the OP in this thread? The whole premise of this thread is to shit on one party's dishonesty/hypocrisy in a comparative manner. It isn't an objective critique. I'm all for saying that either party sucks or that both parties suck. It's the "we're better than you" type of mudslinging that I can't get on board with. Something or other about living in a glass house

OK, thats fair. So what does that have to do with the republicans going from budget hawking to exploding deficits? As far as i know the dems have always been pretty consistent about being tax and spend.
 
So much for how great he is for the stock market. I'm pretty sure his supporters will try to spin this, but this is the train wreck the left has been saying he would be. Hopefully some of you always Trumpers can now see the light. Poor economics, poor on environmental, poor foreign relations, poor on staffing, poor immigration, and his twitter ranting is embarrassing.
 
Who was the last president with a budget surplus? Bill Clinton D
 
Conservatives are only conservatives when they aren't in charge.
 
Republicans run on Govt. not working and then get elected and prove it.
 
It's the fact that he made that statement in response to this post from me.
Argh the other side is dishonest!!11!1!!1! Raaaawwwrrrr

*Ignores blatant dishonesty from own party*

This is what partisan politics sounds like to me

I found it a little ironic that I say that heavily partisan politics sound stupid to me and he responds with "what about this one situation where my party is good and other party is bad?"

Sure, Republicans spent money after bitching about Democrats spending money. They're hypocrites. How about the way Dems relentlessly attacked the Bush administration over the wars in the middle East, but remained mostly silent about Obama continuing them for 8 years? Are they hypocrites too? Yes. Yes they are.
 
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Um, Obama got out of Iraq and was criticized for it. decided not to attack Syria, only supported the Euros in Libya, nobody can seem to get out of Afganistan,. If you want to criticize Obama re: wars, at least be accurate.
 
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From introductory macro: Output (Y) = Consumption + Investment + Government spending + Net exports (exports-imports)

When Y falls suddenly, we have deflation, unemployment, and we generally consider this unfavorable.

When Y increases suddenly, we have inflation, which is generally hard to control once it takes off.

Both of these situations are bad, and require different policy responses. This spending bill might make more sense in a situation where Y is falling, but the fact is Y has been increasing for the last 6-7 years or so. Thanks, Obama.

I've got a more current and US specific equation:

(Savings - Investment) = (Gov Spending - Taxes) + (Exports - Imports)

In other words:

(Private Sector) = (Gov Sector) + (Foreign Sector)

So, if we have a gov surplus + a trade deficit, then the private sector is running a deficit. The longer this persists, the further the private sector falls into debt. The most efficient correction here would be to increase government spending. Once the gov surplus becomes a gov deficit (assuming trade balance stays same) then the private sector moves from deficit to surplus
 
1.- US economic growth, and the use of USD as an international reserve currency itself.

2.- USD exports balance out with USD capital flow and services surplus, this is a point readily ignored by a lot of the "trade war hawks".

1) Currency and monetary policy can get a bit nuanced and abstract so I'm not gonna be a dick in this discussion. By definition, if a nation is using its own currency to supply the world with an international reserve currency, then it can't both be experiencing healthy economic growth domestically AND sufficiently supplying enough of their currency to foreign for it to function properly as a reserve currency. Refer to the Triffin Dillema I posted earlier

2) The US always has a capital account surplus precisely because the USD is backed by OPEC petro. Oil-exporters invariably end up with an enormous surplus of petrodollars, and much if not most of this surplus is then invested in US securities. So this keeps our capital account strong enough to compensate for our current account deficit so that in the end our balance of payments appears healthy. But while it looks fine on paper, it really is an artificial byproduct of the petrodollar system

Anyways, I'm not sure why we're debating this as if it's actually up for debate. Existence of the US-OPEC petrodollar system is an established fact. This system, where USDs can always be redeemed for petroleum, by definition makes the USD a commodity-backed currency


Because we're the most powerful nation in the history of the planet. Fucking duh. Our economy and military are what make the dollar. Which is obvious when you grow up a little.

Lmao have you actually read the posts itt relevant to what you just said? I'll go slow here...

- The US was insolvent and went into sovereign default, then declared its currency was worthless

- The USD somehow remained the world's reserve currency

Our economy in the 70s was crippled by stagflation, the very worst kind of economic malaise, so no it wasn't our awesome economy inspiring confidence in our now off-gold currency



Chinese exports to the US account for like 3% of their economy, they can take the hit.

Can American companies that have supply chains in China take it though?

Lower figure than I expected, but there's other means of economic warfare. The US has invested something like $500 billion into China the past 7 years. Put the kibash on that shit

We also have allies. I'm pretty sure the US trails only the EU as China's largest importer, Australia is up there too. There's a lot of Western nations who would suffer immensely if China disrupted the petrodollar so the US would have quite the coalition behind it in any action against China

Agriculture makes up 13% of China's GDP. The US pays farmers not to farm. Seems like we could make a dent in their agricultural sector, especially considering we have about 50% more arable land in the US

We could also use biological weapons on their pork herds and wipe out their strategic pork reserve. This would be an absolutely devastating blow to the PRC

Invent some legal fiction to sanction them for cybercrime or something

Finally, if worse came to worse, we could instigate military conflict with North Korea and drown China in NK refugees
 
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Can someone tell me what's happening with Trump whining that he is forced to sign a bill he doesn't like? Abs did he threaten a government shut down?

All I know it's that everyone is mocking him, including his staunchest allies.





 
Can someone tell me what's happening with Trump whining that he is forced to sign a bill he doesn't like? Abs did he threaten a government shut down?

All I know it's that everyone is mocking him, including his staunchest allies.






Means he'll be stewing about it in Maralago and probably fires Mueller to feel tough again. Thing is he was rolled by Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Basically the War Hawks and Dems joined up to get funding for military and domestic programs they respectively wanted and froze out the Freedom Caucus types.

Trump loved deal and was twitter bragging about it last night, but only after watch F&F where it was shat on, and then seeing on twitter that his far right was hating on it did he sour on it.

Trump didn't care what was in it as it was being negotiated - he thought Ryan would get him a good deal and he'd just sign it and brag about how he got things done.
 
Means he'll be stewing about it in Maralago and probably fires Mueller to feel tough again. Thing is he was rolled by Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Basically the War Hawks and Dems joined up to get funding for military and domestic programs they respectively wanted and froze out the Freedom Caucus types.

Trump loved deal and was twitter bragging about it last night, but only after watch F&F where it was shat on, and then seeing on twitter that his far right was hating on it did he sour on it.

Trump didn't care what was in it as it was being negotiated - he thought Ryan would get him a good deal and he'd just sign it and brag about how he got things done.

Lol fucking amazing
 
I totally agree.

Did you read the OP in this thread? The whole premise of this thread is to shit on one party's dishonesty/hypocrisy in a comparative manner. It isn't an objective critique. I'm all for saying that either party sucks or that both parties suck. It's the "we're better than you" type of mudslinging that I can't get on board with. Something or other about living in a glass house

Don't be mad at me that the party that campaigns on being fiscal conservative, are not in fact not fiscal conservatives. I want to know how their base can keep believing their lies. After 8 years of crying about Obama we get this.
 
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