How do you explain Poatan is in his prime while Izzy is washed?

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

We all age differently. And some styles are more based on reflexes / reaction time than others, and these fighters tend to age badly once when they reach the wrong side of 30.

Alex probably isn't in his prime anymore either, but he has so much power that he can finish fights with a single punch and get away with it. Power punchers often can last longer

 

[joy2day]

Because everyone is different?

I never really thought this was something so many people struggled with. It seems to be too much data to try to factor in damage and genetics, and to realize these factors lead to a decline for different people at different times.

A fighter that was a world-beater for years, then started losing every fight- I mean, it doesn't take a genius to make a correlation there.

All of these posts that say, "Well, fighter A is the same age, why can't they do the same thing" are hilarious- I mean that's like screaming out that you don't get the point.

Alex's good genetics is probably the most likely answer. His body has held up better than in most cases with that kind of mileage; there are probably multiple factors at work though.

It should be noted that in some cases, longevity is helped a lot by horse meat. Not saying this is Alex, but just in terms of general longevity in the fight game; there is no doubt this is true of some UFC fighters (just based on probabilities, again not accusing anyone in particular).

 

[Harlekin]

Poatan started training in 2009.
Izzy years before 1999, maybe he is more worn.

Perreira is heavier and power goes last, which he has a ton.

 

[LEWIS540]

Because everyone is different?

Lennox Lewis is older than Tyson but peaked a decade after Tyson.

I never really thought this was something so many people struggled with. It seems to be too much data to try to factor in damage and genetics, and to realize these factors lead to a decline for different people at different times.

A fighter that was a world-beater for years, then started losing every fight- I mean, it doesn't take a genius to make a correlation there.

All of these posts that say, "Well, fighter A is the same age, why can't they do the same thing" are hilarious- I mean that's like screaming out that you don't get the point.

Alex's good genetics is probably the most likely answer. His body has held up better than in most cases with that kind of mileage; there are probably multiple factors at work though.

It should be noted that in some cases, longevity is helped a lot by horse meat. Not saying this is Alex, but just in terms of general longevity in the fight game; there is no doubt this is true of some UFC fighters (just based on probabilities, again not accusing anyone in particular).

Of course......."supplements" are almost certainly more prevalent across all sports than the man on the street realises. And even then, everyone reacts differently to them as well. Some gain 5% some gain Belfort%.

 

[cmw43]

Poatan started training in 2009.
Izzy years before 1999, maybe he is more worn.

Perreira is heavier and power goes last, which he has a ton.

Izzy started in 2007 when he was 18, where are you getting 1999 from? He was a little kid then.

 

[HHJ]

Maybe Poatan would be havin a rougher go if he stayed at MW

 

[Bojka]

Pereira took up both sports later. He is not in his athletic prime though.

 

[jooohnmatrix]

Alex wasn’t punching himself in the face.

Clear the moment that Izzy ran from the trilogy that he was shook up and knew he only won a fight by fluke. He should have retired.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Izzy’s titty was his prime form

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Chama?

 

[cburm]

Izzy is a lot of people's favorite when he loses theyl say he's washed out of his prime regardless..

Izzy what made him successful was his top notch kick boxing.. but those days are over and his defense has Ben exposed Izzy's defense is real bad he pretty much just back peddles when he can with his lead hand down.. if Izzy had better boxing I feel he'd be a lot better.


He's still good he's not old he could make another title run easy..

Poaton has Ben boxing pros that are hw and lhw and grappling I think that is making him more successfull at his age

 

[188912345]

Alex has a nuclear left. A different headspace, nothing really seems to affect the guy. Stoic af. That alone makes a difference.

True. He's also not had as many years in MMA, so he has been improving his wrestling and grappling defense and mma strikig even as an older fighter. Doesn't have that many kickboxing fights as well, he started training at 22 and was turning 25 the year he made his pro debut.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Similar career and Pereira is older

Because Poatan = A MAN, a LEGIT CHAMPION

Whereas Adesanya = A FRONT-RUNNER, never a Glory Champion, now-tarnished UFC Champion

 

[whocares]

I would start by explaining that they aren't conjoined twins and go from there

 

[GolovKing]

his chin looked fine to me, it's his reaction time that is fading and with that, his ability to slip punches. but he hasn't been knocked out cold since his fight with Alex in KB. Alex on the other hand was knocked out cold by Adesanya, rocked by Jiri in their first fight, and dropped by Khalil Rountree recently.

people should be more worried about Pereira falling off a cliff more than Adesanya. Adesanya is gradually fading fighting lesser and lesser competition, Pereira is only getting older and he's facing increasingly higher and younger competition. his time is coming soon too.

He was never rocked by jiri. That's just something Joe Rogan says. He was dropped by Khalil legitimately but it wasn't that bad

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

Because Poatan = A MAN, a LEGIT CHAMPION

Whereas Adesanya = A FRONT-RUNNER, never a Glory Champion, now-tarnished UFC Champion

You = A retard

 

[GolovKing]

Alex's game is not really based on speed like adesanyas. He's a very heavy handed guy and he tries to time people with skill more than outright speed. The speed Izzy lost has affected everything from his punching power to his defense and reaction time by a significant amount

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

You = A retard

It must kill you, Sean Chowdhury, to watch your effeminate "fighter" fall apart at the seams ... way before Alex Pereira did.

In Izzy's youth, he never had the sauce to make Champion.

Only in the UFC, in the weakest MW division ever, was Izzy able to "run-and-hide" his way to a title.

In stark contrast to Alex Pereira, who has a highlight-real of KNOCKOUTS ... Izzy has a highlight reel of "FRANTICALLY RUNNING-AWAY"

Recently, Izzy has "tried" to hold his ground, and actually fight, but he is not MAN ENOUGH, to actually trade with real fighters.

Izzy doesn't have the punch to hold people back, and without the speed to evade + counter, he's basically an average palooka.

Which is 1-4 recent record accurately reflects.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

His chin has clearly declined by a good amount. Imavov doesn't have much power in his hands at all and he badly hurt Adesanya with a single shot. Imavov had never dropped anyone like that in the UFC before, despite landing plenty of clean shots on his opponents. Strickland never drops anyone with single shots, yet he dropped Adesanya with one. Bad news.

A few years ago Adesanya was taking clean shots from Pereira without going down. Now he gets hurt almost every time he gets touched.

Getting hurt by Rountree and Jiri is different than getting hurt by Imavov and Strickland. And Pereira's chin was never on the level of Adesanya's in the first place.

that would make sense had he not fought DDP in between both those fights and eaten a bunch of shots off DDP and not get dropped. DDP hits significantly harder than Imavov and Strickland. power isn't the only thing that hurts people, surprising someone does also. maybe just like you Adesanya didn't think much of their punching power and then found out.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

To be fair though his kickboxing career prior to that was obviously at a far higher level than Izzy's, if anything he started having consistently high level fights earlier than Izzy did.

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They fought in the same promotions, whether Alex was better at KB or not isn't relevant to their longevity. Israel was also in the UFC for the better part of Poaton's career.