How do Royal Marines compare to US Marines?

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Which are better?

Or are Royal Marines just the equivalent of the Marine Force Recon or their Marine Raiders (formerly MARSOC)?

The only advantage I give to the US Marines is that they have the best dress uniforms EVER... But the Royal Marines are better.

Some counter arguments I've found:

The Royal Marines are an elite infantry brigade from an organization of about 8,400 including reserves. The USMC is an expeditionary force of 243,000 with reserves which includes it's own air force.

Comparing an RM commando with a Marine rifle battalion indicates the Marines are a heavier medium weight force. Indeed, a reinforced Marine rifle battalion is probably the most powerful general purpose infantry battalion in the world. Note "infantry" not mechanized. One could argue the individual RM is marginally better and that in some specific situations would perform better. If this is true it's beside the point given the two organizations are entirely different in size and scope. Moreover, it's worth noting the 3 USMC battalions within the Marine Raiders assigned to SOCOM and the re-activated Marine Force Recon units which one can also argue are much better than the average RM.

The RM contains a specific level of capability from a very well trained group. The USMC is a much larger organization with far greater capability that also contains units with even more training. The US has a large number of units along a broad spectrum of capabilities. If the USMC was told to reduce it's size to the RM it might look more like the brigade and conversely if the RM was told to expand to 200,000+ it would not be able to keep the exact same quality in of it's current Commandos and would look more like the USMC.

The RM can spearhead a military operation. The USMC conducts military operations. The USMC is in fact larger than the active British Army and RAF of about 160,000 to 200,000.



Or from another individual:

Some of you are naturally biased and therefore are not objective. The Royal Marines are a good outfit. But you want to base your opinion on "whose better" on training and equipment. Fair enough. But, let's be real.

The Royal Marine six-month training course does not impress me. I've seen it profiled on a British documentary. I think it was titled "How to Make a Royal Marines Officer" There was no real stress-induced environment created by the instructors. No screaming at the recruits, hazing, or slight physical abuse. The recruits seemed coddled. They were given ample free time during their training. Alright, there was some great physical components to the training, but the 30-mile timed march (which culminates at the end of training) is hard, but not impressive. The Marine recruits go through an initial 3 months of Boot Camp (which has a lot of physical and mental hardships). The Drill Instructor is Satan from Day 1 to the end. Your instructors couldn't scare 3-year-old. After Bootcamp, Marines go for an additional 3 months of combat and Infantry school training. Okay, the Royal Marines are considered an elite force, but not special forces. The USMC is not considered special forces but an amphibious attack force, which as been used as such. Besides, the USMC has the Marine Raiders and Force Recon which requires much more additional training that the Royal Marines. As far as equipment, the Marines, in general, have the latest and greatest weapons. The US has a defense budget that makes the UK's look tiny.


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- US Marine Corps

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- Royal Marines


EDIT: Did the Royal Marines imitate parts of the early US Marine uniform? Can someone who knows about this topic discuss it? It looks like they did, but I have no further knowledge on the topic.

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This video compares the early parts of their respective boot camps. It seems biased but that is a BBC documentary.

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Equivalent to Battalion Recon units in my opinion. Trained with them in Tunisia in 1998. Our grunts are not that far behind them.
 
They make a big deal about the Commando designation, but every time I've seen something on Royal Marines in operations, they're kicking down doors and doing conventional infantry missions.
 
Equivalent to Battalion Recon units in my opinion. Trained with them in Tunisia in 1998. Our grunts are not that far behind them.

That's cool.

So they're pretty much like Recon Force Marines from that HBO show Generation Kill?
 
srsly, the last time the UK's military was relevant was Grenada.
and even then the US did everything.
 
it'd be better to compare MARSOC or Force Recon to Royal Marines. and though the brits have pretty much fought side by side with us since 9/11. I have to give the edge to USMC special operators, though they both have extremely tough training.

and a lot of what American marines go through in bootcamp is more of a hazing type of thing. American Marines have an extremely powerful PR machine that has convinced your average citizen that Marines are the ultimate badasses.

that said, our Marines receive so much tactical training and have had so much actual combat experience the last damn near two decades which in my opinion trumps ANY type of spec ops training that is if a commando hasn't seen combat yet. Royal Marines though highly trained get edged out.

you can jump out of a plane 1000 times, helo cast,plant bombs on a ship, repel out of a helicopter, train this and train that, but until you can utilize that training in a combat situation it's just well...... training

i'd take a lance corporal that's been to Afghanistan and Iraq who's seen combat over a seal team six guy, or SAS that hasn't my 2ct. anyways I'm Army so I hate any jarine regardless of country.
 
I'm almost positive this topic has been covered a dozen times in this sub forum and it always turns into a shit storm of idiots talking out their ass with no info to go on other than what they've learned from Call of Duty.
 
Royal marines are classy and deserve respect. People look down on the USMC
 
I'm almost positive this topic has been covered a dozen times in this sub forum and it always turns into a shit storm of idiots talking out their ass with no info to go on other than what they've learned from Call of Duty.

I'm just waiting for the 'berry's resident Marines and former Marines to come drop some true knowledge.
 
that said, our Marines receive so much tactical training and have had so much actual combat experience the last damn near two decades which in my opinion trumps ANY type of spec ops training that is if a commando hasn't seen combat yet.

you can jump out of a plane 1000 times, helo cast,plant bombs on a ship, repel out of a helicopter, train this and train that, but until you can utilize that training in a combat situation it's just well...... training

That's a great point.

I'm almost positive this topic has been covered a dozen times in this sub forum and it always turns into a shit storm of idiots talking out their ass with no info to go on other than what they've learned from Call of Duty.

Sorry. If it makes you feel better I know my countries military doesn't compare to the US for sure... and probably not the UK either
 
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I think the debate should be settled by how each has been portrayed in movies and on TV.
 
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U.S. Marines routed Royal Marines in battle for Craney Island - Before the US was a Superpower

By Don Burzynski
Special to the Times

During the War of 1812, the British, after raiding various Eastern seaboard towns, on June 22, 1813, turned their sights on the naval yard in Norfolk, Va. Since the Americans were building faster, better frigates, the British thought razing Norfolk would help ensure their mastery of the seas.
But in their way stood a contingent of 51 Marines — led by one Lt. Breckinridge — and 150 sailors, who, with about 500 regular troops and riflemen, manned the heavy guns on Craney Island, situated on the approach to the city at Hampton Roads.

Shortly after midnight, a horseman dashed into the American camp to report the British were landing two miles to the west. Drums beat the long roll, and as daylight appeared, a continuing flow of British troops could be seen headed to shore from their ships anchored in the Roads. Maj. Faulkner, a Virginia militia commander of artillery, ordered the three heavy guns on the southeast end of the island repositioned to the northwest, next to the four 6-pounders. One, commanded by a Marine lieutenant named Hale, lay in wait. These seven guns in battery made a formidable defense. Behind them, infantry, riflemen and extra artillerymen formed a line behind the guns.

Marines and sailors from the frigate Constellation — which anchored nearer to the city of Norfolk — manned the 18-pounder, while Virginia militiamen commanded two 24-pounders and 6-pounders. A U.S. flag was fixed to a long pole and placed in the redoubt. On the water, a crescent of U.S. gunboats were stationed in a line stretching from Craney Island.

The British force of 2,500 infantry and Royal marines landed at Hoffleur’s Creek, stealthily crept through the forest and emerged at the confluence of Wise’s Creek and the straight, then opened fire with a barrage from a field piece, a howitzer and a bevy of Congrieve rockets. The tactic was meant to cover the movement of a detachment sent across the creek and to divert the Americans, who answered with grape and canister and drove the attack away.

At the same time, the British landing barges approached with another 1,500 sailors and marines from the enemy’s ships, hugging the shore to keep out of range of the gunboat artillery.

The Americans waited anxiously as the British slowly approached, until the order was given to fire.

Marines, sailors and militia artillery let loose with an eruption of round, grape and canister shot, and continued the volleys until the enemy fell into disarray and retreated.

The British thought the fight would be a cakewalk and had brought along their breakfast, shaving kits and dogs. But before sunset, the attack on Norfolk, the navy yard and the Constellation was abandoned, with no American losses. The British casualties included six killed, 24 wounded and 114 missing — of which 40 were prisoners and deserters.

The battle was also the first time U.S. Marines had repulsed a battalion of Royal marines, forcing them to retreat back to sea.


Royal Marines are definitely better than POG Marines but there are US Marine units better than the Royal Marines.

This story doesn't prove anything. Just for the sake of discussion.
 
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They don't...

And anyone that disagrees with that just does not know what they're talking about.
 
America above all.
 
How so? What's your perspective?

The United States Marine Corps is the most potent Infantry in the entire world and is a core element in the Greatest Fighting Force the World has ever seen, the United States Navy. To even compare Canadas Marines to US Marines isn't just dishonest, it's absolutely absurd.

There is no comparison.
 
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