International How do 'Muricans cope with the binary contradiction of supposedly supporting freedom in Ukraine yet doing the same thing to Venezuela?

[Trabaho]

 

[Rod1]

So standing up against illegal Tyrrany and for international law makes one a 'tovarisch'?

All I can say is whatever deluded world view you hold isnt worth the toilet paper it could be written on.

You don't stand for shit, you are simply anti-West

Cuba is the real power in Venezuela, they purged the Venezuelan military on the orders of Chavez and they supported Maduro and kept him propped with literal military force.

Cuba says 32 Cuban fighters killed in US raids on Venezuela

Havana declares two days of mourning for the Cubans killed in US operation to abduct Nicolas Maduro.

www.aljazeera.com

Funny how out of 40 deaths only 4 were civilians and 32 were Cuban military and intelligence officers, but those don't count as "tyranny" or "interntional law" violations because its not the West that its doing it.

 

[Kassitus]

Real politik. The real world isn't about appealing to abstract ideas, it's about competing for resources.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

If Maduro being unelected was a decision handed down by International courts with a removal order then you'd have a case there. Trump unilaterally deciding that Maduro wasn't the legitimate leader and then sending his military in to arrest him showcases his disregard for international law.

- The same Trump that tried a coup on the mother of all tamtrums?

 

[Trabaho]

TBH that was the least convincing piece I have seen on the topic. You could find some diaspora hoe from any country USA attacked illegaly that says literally the same thing.

I wouldn‘t mind watching her prön though.

But this is the real explanation $



Another Venezuelan person talking supporting (she speaks German and there's sub titles in english). Says the president was a dictator, lost the elections but didn't withdraw but killed civilians to stay on top.

 

[Hdfi]

LOL notice how it took over 24 hours to organize it and notice how the repressive forces are walking among the people.


Meanwhile Venezuelans abroad were celebrating before dawn that Maduro was detained

^Says the guy who supports the ISIS terrorist that the USA installed as a DICTATOR in Syria.

You don't even live in South America and your opinion is trash.

 

[Hdfi]

lol "Venezuelans" in the US

Here are real Venezuelans in VENEZUELA:



The US regime is vastly unpopular and perceived as a CANCER in Latin America.

 

[shunyata]

The obvious answer is that Ukrainian independence is important, as is the sovereignty of all nations, but Trump is a motherfucking criminal who doesn't respect the constitution or the rule of law in any capacity.

 

[shunyata]

I bathe in hypocrisy.

Because, as an American, I understand our historical involvement in Central and South America and the development of the words, "Banana Republic".

War is a Racket.

Just ask United Fruit.

 

[TheMaster]

Not all bad huh

Oh look, lots of mestizo women , basically a product of the white man historically colonizing the natives, celebrating the white man fucking over the natives and stealing all their resources. Not vaguely surprised there are some saying that and not in anyway any kind of justification for illegally invading another country.

But this is the real explanation $



Another Venezuelan person talking supporting (she speaks German and there's sub titles in english). Says the president was a dictator, lost the elections but didn't withdraw but killed civilians to stay on top.

Stealing ("seizing") $17 trillion of oil illegally is a great 'American economic boom'. So many Americans actually not even hiding it but actively celebrating being a rogue gangster state with no apparent accountability.

 

[Mike Hagger]

I wish we could prosecute crimes with the same binary logic, we’d save a lot of money and time. Actually if my entire life would be a lot less complicated if I considered everything I interacted with to be as simple as a yes or no.

 

[Mike Hagger]

Oh look, lots of mestizo women , basically a product of the white man historically fucking the natives, celebrating the white man fucking over the natives and stealing all their resources. Not vaguely surprised and not in anyway any kind of justification for illegally invading another country.


Stealing ("seizing") $17 trillion of oil illegally is a great 'American economic boom'. So many Americans actually not even hiding it but actively celebrating being a rogue gangster state with no apparent accountability.

Jesus Christ dude, I got it your feed algorithm is dipshits you can rage over but that’s not how the other hundreds of millions of fucking people think.

Take an internet break, talk to real people, not warroom hero’s and your stupid twitter feed.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Its not exactly the same, at all, in any way.

The war in Venezuela is about multiple things. First, Maduro was a criminal who was actively involved in shipping drugs to the US. The drugs were flown to government facilities where they would be set for transport to the US. The Venezuelan government was directly involved in smuggling drugs to the US.
That alone is justification for a war.

Secondly, Trump wants stability in the region, and removing foreign threats that directly impact the American people is part of that. Given that, im certain Mexico will either have to agree to US help to fight the cartels or they'll be next. All sithole countries are put on notice, but Mexico is one of the biggest problems for the US, because of the border.

Thirdly, oil. Trump knows that he can reimburse the cost of war plus extra through oil.

Maybe the world needs someone to finally do something about these problems. I dont take issue with this.

Greenland on the other hand, I don't agree with.

 

[method115]

It's easy I just really don't think about it or care. I have a a job, hobbies, wife, kids. You really think I'm out here trying to cope with the nonsense the US Government is doing?

 

[Streeter]

I guess if you dumb it down to a binary contradiction it becomes hard.
Luckily it's a little more complicated.

This. If you dumb it down to most basic items then yeah theres a comparison - but thats dumb lol.

I will say Trumps actions here come with alot of risk of other countries like China/Russia using it as precedent in future or even now.

Did Trump do this over Oil ? Was it to prove a point to show theres action behind words ? Was it to show America's military precision yet again doing in a few hours what Putin couldn't in 4 years? Was it to stop the Drug traffic?

I would say almost equal parts all those things. If you were going to do that Venezuela was perfect choice - they had a leader who wasnt elected and took control , a known drug criminal and king pin, a guy the Western world hated , and a massive amount of Oil.

It was a calculated risk he swung for fences - wether it was a hr , a fly out, or a whiff won't be known for at least 6 months from now - has to go thru the phases.

 

[Trabaho]

I guess the world is evil and it's not worth being in the geo politics buble. Rather do something meaningless and just live. Politics is depressing. Good I'm from Bosnia / Croatia. We aren't that important to be invaded or anything else. We just gotta be nice with our neighbours.

 

[Hdfi]

Great Women´s March for CHAD Maduro​

 

[Possum Jenkins]

They didn't invade Venezuela.. they had an operation that lasted only a few hours and then left

I'm not saying I agree with it or support it at all (in fact I do not and have posted that multiple times), but to compare it to Russia and their actual invasion and occupation of Ukraine for YEARS is sooo unbelievably low IQ

If they had troops on the ground and were attacking Caracas to occupy it, then you'd have a point.. right now you just sound stupid though

Yeah, the US didn't invade with troops on the ground and thousands of Venezuelans dead. So in that sense it's far more benign than what Russia is doing.

On the other hand, the US deposed the president of a country 1,000 miles away, one ocean away, that posed ZERO threat to it. Russia invaded a country that has 1,000+ mile border with and that's located a few hundred miles away from its capital AND that was flirting with joining a hostile military alliance.

In that sense, the actions of the US are actually worse than what Russia is doing.

 

[USA!USA!]

Yeah, the US didn't invade with troops on the ground and thousands of Venezuelans dead. So in that sense it's far more benign than what Russia is doing.

On the other hand, the US deposed the president of a country 1,000 miles away, one ocean away, that posed ZERO threat to it. Russia invaded a country that has 1,000+ mile border with and that's located a few hundred miles away from its capital AND that was flirting with joining a hostile military alliance.

In that sense, the actions of the US are actually worse than what Russia is doing.

Yeah the argument wasn't which was worse - or if I agree with it (which I have clearly said that I do not). It was just a clarification on the usage of certain words. It was not an invasion (yet).

I'd disagree that NATO is a hostile military alliance considering NATO has never attacked Russia in its history. Russia does the same engagements towards NATO members (disinfo, cyber attacks, espionage, etc.) They are hardly innocents. That is no excuse to invade your neighbor and send young men to their death for 4 years.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Before Chavez and Maduro Venezuelan economy was 4-5 times larger even if it had problems brewing.

WTF

Chavez took power in 1999. Venezuela's GDP in 1998: $91 billion

Venezuela's GDP in 2013 (when Chavez died): $258 billion

Venezuela - Gross domestic product (GDP) 2026| Statista

Gross domestic product (GDP) of Venezuela fell to 43.79 billion U.S.

www.statista.com

Maduro was an astounding idiot but Chavez was solid. People forget that he was democratically elected twice and enjoyed tremendous popularity while in power.

Pretty incredible how the narrative that "Venezuela was great and super rich before Chavez!" is pretty much gospel in the West. Yeah, Venezuelans were so happy with their economy that they elected a dude openly ranting and raving against the oligarchy and about revolution and all this other socialist rhetoric.