How did Khabib survive the guillotine?

[fractal]

True, but Dustin is a BJJ black belt, so he certainly knew what he was doing.
Would be cool to have a breakdown by him.

That's what makes it stranger. He did a lot o the right things, but unfortunately against a guy like Khabib, you have to do them all right.

IIRC, Wanderlei who is also a BJJ blackbelt, made the same mistake against Bisping.

 

[dmwalking]

Experience. His shuffles to his side incrementally relieved pressure until he was able to free his head. That’s decades of experience right there. Most fighters would’ve tapped. His escape was beautiful.

 

[dmwalking]

Back to mat relieve pressure beautiful technique I like how he did multiple times to gas Dustin arms he made him think he had

It helped relieve pressure and slide his head out bit by bit. I’ve gotta learn that.

 

[Franklin U.]

I was surprised Poirer tapped to be honest, what does it say when a woman in Holly Holms would rather be put to sleep.

Everyone different, mentally. Bhibster had that neck locked in like a safe and lactic acid build up from poirier pre-lude- why go to sleep.....it was over, didnt have strength to fight it and gave it---------- no problems with that. Look at mctapper- habib barely had arm across face and Conor was playing drums on forearm.

 

[meareiguana]

Fair point but I don't think I've ever heard Khabib say anything outlandish regarding a performance of his for me not to believe him. If he was really lying he could have said he gave Dustin the guillotine every single time to tire him.

Agreed. However now that Gracie breakdown has been released, I stand by my initial opinion stated here. Presuming that Khabib got himself into that position intentionally - super bold move on his part. Props to Khabib for making necessary adjustments. Obviously he got away with "disrespecting" Poirier's BJJ this time around but that doesn't make it a "smart" move regardless. He could've played it safe - Dustin was already pretty tired at that point.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Agreed. However now that Gracie breakdown has been released, I stand by my initial opinion stated here. Presuming that Khabib got himself into that position intentionally - super bold move on his part. Props to Khabib for making necessary adjustments. Obviously he got away with "disrespecting" Poirier's BJJ this time around but that doesn't make it a "smart" move regardless. He could've played it safe - Dustin was already pretty tired at that point.

Yeh I would hope he doesn't get in that position ever again whether by mistake or intentionally.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Dustin could't optimal work with his hips.
Perfect defense by Khabib

Yea it seemed like Dustin had a near perfect choke but couldn't get his legs and hips into the right spot.

Khabib did a great job controlling Dustin's lower body.

 

[Payam84]

I haven’t read the whole 5 pages, but I recommend you to look at Gracie’s breakdown about the situation. Khabib had everything under control.

Just used the situation to tire Dustin’s arms!

 

[berimBOWLoh]

Im sorry but you're dead wrong. Khabib had to roll out and temporarily give up top position. Had Dustin been looking for a sweep and not a sub with the guillotine he wouldve gotten it no doubt. Khabib rolled to his back to relieve pressure and quickly scrambled to get top position back.

He was being choked and panic'd for a second. Im a huge Khabib fan but you jusy dont know BJJ.

This is what it is. Khabib realized he was in trouble and gave up top position to escape but Dustin was likely physically and mentally exhausted and desperately cling to the choke. He could have taken mount or scrambled to his feet if he was more aware

 

[TapMachine]

It was snug. Snugalicioius.

Schlob has the IQ of a toaster.

 

[TapMachine]

Yeh I would hope he doesn't get in that position ever again whether by mistake or intentionally.

He gets into that position all the time, though. RDA (a much better grappler than Dustin), Johnson, Dustin... Khabib knows what he's doing.

 

[ocfightfan]

Because Khabib is strong like bull.

But kidding aside it was probably a combination of toughness and understanding how to turn so that the choke is not effective.

 

[grapplingod]

It obviously wasn't in properly. A blood choke isn't the kind of thing you can just willpower through. It's either cutting off the blood supply or it isn't.

Guillotines aren't blood chokes lmao

Sad thing is that most posters on this forum know less about actual fighting than you do.

 

[GetSmoked]

Dustin's legs were not closed (crossed)
So Khabib's hips where free to move and he got to side control.

For a guillotine to be successful, control of the head and the hips are mandatory. If one controls both the head and the hips then one controls the spine and if one controls the spine then one controls the torso and if one controls the torso then one controls the opponents body

He baited him, khabib was controlling dustins right leg with his one of his arms. People usually get panicked and defend the guillotine with both arms, leaving the opponents to control the hips with both legs. Khabib knew Dustin's arms were tired after that intense guillotine attempt. Such a high fight IQ from Khabib.

 

[TheLastEmperorReurns]

Experience. His shuffles to his side incrementally relieved pressure until he was able to free his head. That’s decades of experience right there. Most fighters would’ve tapped. His escape was beautiful.

did he risk finding himself on bottom if Dustin reacted a certain kind of way?

I remember videos of Marcelo Garcia escaping guillotine chokes (but from his opponent's guard instead of half-guard) and he would jump to his hip the same kind of way.

 

[TheLastEmperorReurns]

Dustin's legs were not closed (crossed)
So Khabib's hips where free to move and he got to side control.

I don't remember Khabib getting to side control in the first sequence (there was a reset somewhere in that sequence).

Also- you don't necessarily have to close/cross your legs to finish a guillotine.

Nate Diaz does a certain kind of guard (forgot the name of it) to finish guillotines and Dustin apparently (according to him) had a half-butterfly in, which could be sufficient.

The pivotal maneuver Khabib did to avoid getting slept was the thing he did where he fell to his hip for some kind of readjustment... that's the insight that would be really interesting here.

It's a very high level grappling technique that's very rare in MMA.

Khabib's submission grappling is top tier. So incredible and beautiful.

 

[The Merchant]

Yea it seemed like Dustin had a near perfect choke but couldn't get his legs and hips into the right spot.

Khabib did a great job controlling Dustin's lower body.

Exactly watch Maia defend submissions he always frees himself from control then frees the choke. Last fight instead of fighting the RNC at his neck he uses his hand to clear a hook then spins to that side and ends up on top.

Khabib stopped himself from ebing controlled at waist etc by being in someones guard, this allowed hims to turn back to mat and relieve pressure and loosen the choke. There is no panic to suddenly hand fight.

It's amazing watching these top grapplers work. They almost never defend the choke directly but instead remove the body control allowing them to render the choke ineffective.

 

[The Merchant]

I don't remember Khabib getting to side control in the first sequence (there was a reset somewhere in that sequence).

Also- you don't necessarily have to close/cross your legs to finish a guillotine.

Nate Diaz does a certain kind of guard (forgot the name of it) to finish guillotines and Dustin apparently (according to him) had a half-butterfly in, which could be sufficient.

The pivotal maneuver Khabib did to avoid getting slept was the thing he did where he fell to his hip for some kind of readjustment... that's the insight that would be really interesting here.

It's a very high level grappling technique that's very rare in MMA.

Khabib's submission grappling is top tier. So incredible and beautiful.

That's not an arm in gullotine though

 

[TheLastEmperorReurns]

That's not an arm in gullotine though

Here's one that happens to be similar to what Dustin was doing:

The guillotine Dustin had was incredibly close, no matter what Khabib says to imply otherwise.

Khabib literally fell to his side for his escape, which was multi-sequential and nuanced.

There were things happening in that sequence that I don't understand. Would really love a Gracie breakdown on it.

 

[ChangeIsComing]

by not tapping like chicken
Khabib has heart actually

LOL.

Or perhaps...just maybe the choke was not in tight enough? you fucking twat. If it was...heart has nothing to do with it when blood stops going to your brain dumbass.