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How big is Adesanya for his weightclass?

1. He said himself many times, that he does not cut a lot of weight.
2. Being tall with long arms does not make you big - this guy is the same height and reach as Izzy:
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MW champ with 3 months camp.

At least that is what the 'height/reach is magic and requires no skill' group would have you believe. And sadly that is a big percent of this forum.

Reach (being tall and lanky) is NOT an advantage really, until you have an absolute elite game in the other areas of MMA.
 
Too many people here think height and reach are a magical, no skill, unfair advantage.

Reality is the opposite. Most tall lanky athletes will struggle in MMA as they get bullied by stalky powerful grapplers and are given no room to use those aspects.

Cyrille Diabate had some of the best pure striking at LHW but because he did not have the other elite skills to keep the grapplers off him and he had to fear the td so much that he could not unleash his striking game, he was not elite or champ in MMA. His magical height and reach did not just gift him wins.

People like Jones, Anderson, Adesanya win because they have these massive high lever skills in the other areas of MMA that allow them to mostly neutralize the much more physically strong grapplers and keep space, and that is a elite skill. Keeping a top grappler from being able to control you is elite. And it is then and only then that the advantages of length and reach become a big advantage. Because just like a dominant grappler can bully someone like Cyrille if he cannot fend off the grappling, a dominant striker can then beat up grapplers if they cannot impose their grappling game.


Spot on .. A great example of someone that couldn't use his height in reach to his advantage was Stefan Struve
 
1. He said himself many times, that he does not cut a lot of weight.
2. Being tall with long arms does not make you big - this guy is the same height and reach as Izzy:
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News Flash: Just because someone says something does not mean that it is true. Fighters lie all the time.
 
Mindboggling how many people in the world think height is the same as size. Someone could be 6'8 but still be light because most of his/her height comes from long lanky legs carrying a narrow frame.

Izzy is tall but has a very narrow build and hes all limbs. Hes obviously not a big guy when strictly talking about mass. Whittaker probably has a much heavier walkaround weight than him.
What's bigger a giraffe or an elephant?

(Sherdoggers can't agree on this)
 
News Flash: Just because someone says something does not mean that it is true. Fighters lie all the time.

This fighter is not lying. Here is is weighing in against Jan at 200#. Again, Izzy is average size at best for the Middleweight division.
 
He's tall but he's sort of narrow framed and doesn't have a lot of mass on him. I wouldn't consider him a big MW
 
Spot on .. A great example of someone that couldn't use his height in reach to his advantage was Stefan Struve
Yup, there is no 'default' respect for a fighter who walks into an MMA gym with a long lanky build. They are often mocked and ridiculed, as Jones was, that 'one kick will snap those chicken legs' or 'those arms are ripe to be snapped'.

Since the inception of MMA it was the grapplers build, stalky and powerful that was seen as the advantage and many believed that true strikers build would never be able to compete.

Then suddenly you had a small number of skilled striker based fighters train in MMA enough to gain the skills to be able to counter the top grapplers at their own game, such that they could impose a striking game. They had to be able to 'control where the fight took place', a myth that was always thought something only grapplers could do.

then suddenly 'long limbs and being lanky was an unfair, unskilled advantage'. FLOL.

No, it is zero advantage until the fighter gets a good enough grappling game (nullification game) to be able to stop the top grapplers and instead impose their game, such that the grappler is now forced to fight standing up.

To dismiss being able to stop the top grapplers from imposing their game, as no skill needed, just a lanky body, is the type of nonsense though that many MMA fans have convinced themselves of.

IMO it is the people butt hurt over the fact that grapplers dictate where the fight takes placed myth was burst and instead it is 'skilled fighters dictate where the fight takes place'. That most of the skilled fighters came mostly from wrestling ranks prior just made many people think it was a dominant art. It is not as the relatively small number, comparatively of strikers achieving success speaks to.
 
This fighter is not lying. Here is is weighing in against Jan at 200#. Again, Izzy is average size at best for the Middleweight division.

He weighed 200 lbs after a full fight camp, burning thousands of calories a day.
 
He's tall, but he's not that big. I'd say he ways lighter than most of his opponents after they rehydrate. I doubt he even cut to make weight at LHW. Jan must've had close to 20lbs on Izzy when they fought.
 
He weighed 200 lbs after a full fight camp, burning thousands of calories a day.

True - meaning he could cut to 185# in 1 - 2 day making him an average size 185er. 200 is his walk around weight, he obviously did not cut weight for a 205 bout. There are 155ers who walk around close to 200#.
 
Yup, there is no 'default' respect for a fighter who walks into an MMA gym with a long lanky build. They are often mocked and ridiculed, as Jones was, that 'one kick will snap those chicken legs' or 'those arms are ripe to be snapped'.

Since the inception of MMA it was the grapplers build, stalky and powerful that was seen as the advantage and many believed that true strikers build would never be able to compete.

Then suddenly you had a small number of skilled striker based fighters train in MMA enough to gain the skills to be able to counter the top grapplers at their own game, such that they could impose a striking game. They had to be able to 'control where the fight took place', a myth that was always thought something only grapplers could do.

then suddenly 'long limbs and being lanky was an unfair, unskilled advantage'. FLOL.

No, it is zero advantage until the fighter gets a good enough grappling game (nullification game) to be able to stop the top grapplers and instead impose their game, such that the grappler is now forced to fight standing up.

To dismiss being able to stop the top grapplers from imposing their game, as no skill needed, just a lanky body, is the type of nonsense though that many MMA fans have convinced themselves of.

IMO it is the people butt hurt over the fact that grapplers dictate where the fight takes placed myth was burst and instead it is 'skilled fighters dictate where the fight takes place'. That most of the skilled fighters came mostly from wrestling ranks prior just made many people think it was a dominant art. It is not as the relatively small number, comparatively of strikers achieving success speaks to.

pretty much
 
Thats why Im looking forward to see his fight with Pereira who looks like his same size, Im very interested with that fight
I don't think they look the same size at all.

Pereira is fucking huge. Izzy is long and lanky.
 
I don't think they look the same size at all.

Pereira is fucking huge. Izzy is long and lanky.
Alex is starving himself to make 185. He is only doing it for the quick title shot. He already gave up going to MW in kickboxing and thats a sport where you don't need to cut a lot of weight.

Alex is much bigger. Not that close really, even in height which is Israel's main thing he is not as tall.
 
He saw Jan as the easiest fight he could take and was whooped. Jan as much as I like him was legit the weakest lhw champ we have had in years. Glover destroyed him at 400

Prime A.S kos Jan if he waits till the 3rd 4th round to start wrestling imo.
 
Often times I think people attribute small joints and being malnourished to being lanky and having a small frame and I tend to disagree.

It's all about ratios. Israel is around 6 foot 2 1/2- 3 and 200 lbs so of course he's gonna look lanky in comparison to someone whose 6 foot tall and 200lbs or 5 foot 10 Jared cannoneer or 5 foot 7 manlet Kelvin
 
Pretty big, no way a middleweight should be 6’4 with an 80in reach

So you think that a guy who weighed in five lbs. under the limit for his fight against Jan should be at LHW?
 
News Flash: Just because someone says something does not mean that it is true. Fighters lie all the time.


...but we saw him weigh in at 200 for the Jan fight.

Do you think that he lost weight for that fight and is cutting down from a larger amount make 185?

There are a bunch of LWs who walk around near 200 lbs. in between fights.

The guy clearly isn't big for MW in terms of weight.
 
You guys get salty over any physical advantage.
Adesanya cuts hardly any weight.
 

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