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Media How are our boxing historians in 2025?

I’m not in the field of history but judging from the name drops replying to you, its safe to assume you are wrong.

I can speak for my field in translation. AI has not replaced any translator anywhere whether it is a student starting out in a third world country or a huge international corporate translation service.

Some translators are using AI tools now to save time on large projects, but other than that the field is relatively almost the same as a decade ago. I’m on every translator forum online, worked in a local union, and have a friend teaching in translation degree who laughs with me on the AI exaggeration.
I don't doubt it but as has been said many times before, it's still very early days. I keep saying the people laughing at it now are probably the ones more likely to be replaced faster. I was using google translate to navigate countries a decade ago without issues.

A universal translator will likely be implemented soon and I've seen early functioning versions from Japan 8 years ago. A.I was already creeping in a long time before the LLMs but people just didn't notice. It isn't only about the niche elitists, it's also how the mainstream audience percieves it. If the translator becomes more common place as a cheaper alternative 90% of avaiable positions are likely to be wiped out. Invevitably adaptations depends on your own willingness to use and work with it and a lot of that does come from your own knowledge. If a person can't improve their own game using AI I think that is on them.

I have seen footage of a tutor allowing a class to use the AI with a progressive mindset. She ended up scolding the entire college class for literally handing in almost the exact AI assignment with no adaptation. These are dodos as far as I'm concerned.
 
Such a thing is a lot less necessary in the modern era. I can find anything about boxing history with a google search.
Yea but if you google an article where you learn more about a certain fighter, understand that this article was written by a person, not by google.
I'm surprised to read this comment from someone who's been at it as long as you.
 
Yea but if you google an article where you learn more about a certain fighter, understand that this article was written by a person, not by google.
I'm surprised to read this comment from someone who's been at it as long as you.
You wouldn't be had you paid attention. I was never a big fan of guys like Bert Sugar. All that set them apart was they had access to film the rest of us couldn't see, which is on youtube now. The history is all documented. 40 years ago, the average boxing fan couldn't tell you who Harry Greb was. Now his entire life is available for study from multiple sources.

Most boxing historians did a tremendous disservice to the sport, IMO. Too much nostalgia and hyperbole.
 
I don't doubt it but as has been said many times before, it's still very early days. I keep saying the people laughing at it now are probably the ones more likely to be replaced faster. I was using google translate to navigate countries a decade ago without issues.

A universal translator will likely be implemented soon and I've seen early functioning versions from Japan 8 years ago. A.I was already creeping in a long time before the LLMs but people just didn't notice. It isn't only about the niche elitists, it's also how the mainstream audience percieves it. If the translator becomes more common place as a cheaper alternative 90% of avaiable positions are likely to be wiped out. Invevitably adaptations depends on your own willingness to use and work with it and a lot of that does come from your own knowledge. If a person can't improve their own game using AI I think that is on them.

I have seen footage of a tutor allowing a class to use the AI with a progressive mindset. She ended up scolding the entire college class for literally handing in almost the exact AI assignment with no adaptation. These are dodos as far as I'm concerned.

Way too many points to address here in a forum format. This can be a 2-3 hour convo over coffee lol.

No need to explain to me about AI training. I did that part time for a while. Yep, I was working as an AI trainer talking to it for hours to improve it. Plenty of agencies do that.

Also, I get where you’re coming from with the japanese app, but that’s completely irrelevant. Nobody’s full time job is walking around with tourists to help them as wheres the best ice cream place near the hotel, nor does anybody study to do that, nor is that a “professional skill” for lack of better term.

Translators have been using expensive software to speed up work load for decades.

I’m not laughing at AI itself, the friend I mention earlier has colleagues who give university courses on AI uses in translation (not whatever garbage social media course you talked about).

Hell, I’ve been approached by some agency(outsource sleezebag in india) that provides translation services to big news stations in other countries. He used multiple AI tools to transcript and translate videos in languges he does not speak. Sent them to me and asked me to confirm the parts that are correct, and edit whatever errors are there.
I told him, whatever dude, I’ll just charge you full price as if I translated it. Most people in this field dont charge by hours but by text length.

He obviously couldn't keep up with my quotes as his clients use him as a cheap outsource. Might as well call it a scam for noobs.

Either way, from my expertise in the field and most high credential professors I talked to, AI is not replacing any translators in my lifetime.
 
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from the UK side of the pond(the important one these days in the boxing world), i really like Adam Smith and Dom Ingle, they dont try and over sell themselves like a lot of the other guys do, the main one who springs to mind is Teddy Atlas, guys loves the sound of his own voice, famous for shouting at Michael Moorer when he fucking lost
 
from the UK side of the pond(the important one these days in the boxing world), i really like Adam Smith and Dom Ingle, they dont try and over sell themselves like a lot of the other guys do, the main one who springs to mind is Teddy Atlas, guys loves the sound of his own voice, famous for shouting at Michael Moorer when he fucking lost
I've watched a lot of Dom Ingle interviews and I always take something away from them. Adam Smith is currently my favorite of the bunch. He knows his stuff and is objective. Plus he's been around for years. I never hear anything bad about him. He loves to talk boxing and he comes off as a good guy all around.
 
I always enjoy Thomas Hauser's books on boxing.
He's not very frequent with his own podcast but heavy hands podcast guest Kyle McLachlan has some good stuff on boxing history
 
You wouldn't be had you paid attention. I was never a big fan of guys like Bert Sugar. All that set them apart was they had access to film the rest of us couldn't see, which is on youtube now. The history is all documented. 40 years ago, the average boxing fan couldn't tell you who Harry Greb was. Now his entire life is available for study from multiple sources.

Most boxing historians did a tremendous disservice to the sport, IMO. Too much nostalgia and hyperbole.
Ok but most observers are so unknowledgable today they could use some of those guys today. The result is announcers who overhyped things and give very little insight so the public is oversold on mediocrity
 
I always enjoy Thomas Hauser's books on boxing.
He's not very frequent with his own podcast but heavy hands podcast guest Kyle McLachlan has some good stuff on boxing history
I like reading Hauser's investigative journalism but the guy can't score a fight to save his life. For instance, he thought that Usyk vs Fury II was a draw. He's either a big Fury fan or he just doesn't understand the scoring criteria.
 
I like reading Hauser's investigative journalism but the guy can't score a fight to save his life. For instance, he thought that Usyk vs Fury II was a draw. He's either a big Fury fan or he just doesn't understand the scoring criteria.
Man is scoring like he's Adalaide Byrd.
I like his books so much, I'd actually like to sit down and go over that fight with him. What draw are you seeing?
 
I like reading Hauser's investigative journalism but the guy can't score a fight to save his life. For instance, he thought that Usyk vs Fury II was a draw. He's either a big Fury fan or he just doesn't understand the scoring criteria.
I always thought Hauser was awful and not a friend to boxing at all.
 
I always thought Hauser was awful and not a friend to boxing at all.
Well I don't know any Floyd fans that like the guy so I'm not surprised. That fan base really took his investigative reporting on IV Gate (USADA) personal. The only issues I have with Hauser is that it seems he can't score fights properly and despite being so heavily invested in boxing for so long he still can't differentiate between a straight/cross and a hook. Here's a quick recap that he did post-Usyk vs Dubois 2. Somehow he managed to get it wrong twice in the same sentence.

“Dubois was felled by a chopping right to the temple, rose at the count of eight and, seconds later, was flattened by a straight left.”
The Hauser Report: Zayas-Garcia, Pacquiao, Usyk, and the NYSAC

It wasn't a temple shot that initially dropped Dubois, Usyk's right hand landed behind the ear, and the KO punch wasn't a straight left it was actually a hook. But, don't tell Lennox Lewis that Hauser is incorrect. He wholeheartedly endorses him.

“A hundred years from now, if people want to learn about boxing in this era, they’ll read Thomas Hauser.” —Lennox Lewis
 
Well I don't know any Floyd fans that like the guy so I'm not surprised. That fan base really took his investigative reporting on IV Gate (USADA) personal. The only issues I have with Hauser is that it seems he can't score fights properly and despite being so heavily invested in boxing for so long he still can't differentiate between a straight/cross and a hook. Here's a quick recap that he did post-Usyk vs Dubois 2. Somehow he managed to get it wrong twice in the same sentence.

“Dubois was felled by a chopping right to the temple, rose at the count of eight and, seconds later, was flattened by a straight left.”
The Hauser Report: Zayas-Garcia, Pacquiao, Usyk, and the NYSAC

It wasn't a temple shot that initially dropped Dubois, Usyk's right hand landed behind the ear, and the KO punch wasn't a straight left it was actually a hook. But, don't tell Lennox Lewis that Hauser is incorrect. He wholeheartedly endorses him.

“A hundred years from now, if people want to learn about boxing in this era, they’ll read Thomas Hauser.” —Lennox Lewis
It has nothing to do with Floyd. Not sure why you have to try to degrade my opinion then agree with me in your next breath. I didn't start following boxing when Floyd started fighting.
 
i looked before, i havent read a single book from Hauser, is he not online anywhere at all?

i feel like books are pretty old school now and im not sure if i would point to them as a reference anymore
 
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i looked before, i havent read a single book from Hauser, is he not online anywhere at all?

i feel like books are pretty old school now and im not sure if i would point to them as a reference anymore
He was Ali's primary biographer for years until some sort of falling out with the wife. That's his main claim to fame and im grateful for the Ali books but I personally never felt he was really a boxing guy.
 
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He was Ali's primary biographer for years until some sort of falling out with the wife. That's his main claim to fame and im grateful for the Ali books but I personally never felt he was really a boxing guy.
i feel like a lot of "Ali guys" are blind to boxing
 
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