International House Speaker Mike Johnson Breaks With Trump, Calls Putin a ‘Threat to America,’ Warns of New Axis Forming on President’s Watch

[Kingz]

Sort of misleading. He didn’t include the US in this “axis” nor blame Trump.. and as it stands, this “axis” that he mentioned of China, Russia, Iran, North Korea already existed so it’s not forming.

Johnson has already publicly backed Trump and Vance scolding of Zelensky.

This article presents the false narrative that Trump is Pro-Russia as fact and saying we’re against Russia is pushback.

The US is on Ukraine’s side but no longer unconditionally and with no end of the war in sight.

If UK and EU need to take over alone they too will very quickly be looking for pathways out of the conflict that will be interpreted by Russia hawks as appeasement. But that’s just what happens when a nation have gained the only ground in a conflict..chances are they’ll walk away with most of it not all of it.

But of course our so called allies are always flirting with China anyway and think US not showing fealty to Ukraine means they need to turn to China.

Which begs the question of why they are so afraid of Russia if they would put themselves in China’s pocket simply because Trump is a touch indelicate.

 

[Siver!]

Where in here do you see Mike Johnson "breaks from Trump".

I see it in the title of the thread. What are you even doing? If you don't agree, quote the TS and tell him that Johnson didn't break from Trump, or that his source is unreliable.

If you want to argue with me, personally, that's fine, but my key points have been:

1) It's hypocritical and wrong to blast Ukraine for conscription when they are defending themselves from an invasive nation that also uses conscription
2) I agree that conscription is unfair and questionable along human rights laws, and this is regrettable that anyone is doing it
3) Nobody has to agree that USA should fund Ukraine's defence against Russia
4) Donald Trump's foreign policy as it stands appears to be unpopular
5) NATO-patrolled borders can't be that big a deal if Putin allowed a massive NATO-patrolled border to be installed, which he has

Those are my thoughts and my opinions.

 

[mommas homeboy]

This whole situation is actually incredibly fascinating. It's a giant game of poker, and we're not sure who may be bluffing.

How much blood and damage to Russia is Putin willing to sacrifice to get what he seeks in Ukraine, and how crazy is he really? Would giving him some of what he wants, in order to save lives, be better than continuing as is?

Liberals all seem to think we must fight him at all costs and help Ukraine "win" the war no matter what. But what does winning actually look like? And is winning still worth it if 20 millions lives are eventually lost and a potential world war breaks out?

It's all getting way too real.

 

[HereticBD]

Russia does it as an aggressor.

Ukraine does it as a defender.

Like I said, you're defending people literally being forced into war. Own it. You don't care how many Ukrainian lives have to be lost in order for you to be happy on the internet a million miles away. None of your "nuanced" takes about it being justified under certain conditions, makes that fact any less so. You're just bargaining with your conscience and principles.

You think it's no big deal? You go volunteer to fight that war, tough guy. Oh' that's right, you don't really care. You just want other people to die, so you can feel like "the resistance" is "your resistance". It's a fucking movie to you.

 

[rocketskates]

This whole situation is actually incredibly fascinating. It's a giant game of poker, and we're not sure who may be bluffing.

How much blood and damage to Russia is Putin willing to sacrifice to get what he seeks in Ukraine, and how crazy is he really? Would giving him some of what he wants, in order to save lives, be better than continuing as is?

Liberals all seem to think we must fight him at all costs and help Ukraine "win" the war no matter what. But what does winning actually look like? And is winning still worth it if 20 millions lives are eventually lost and a potential world war breaks out?

It's all getting way too real.

Interesting indeed. The bad part is, given the death toll of Russian soldiers, as well as the resources that he’s put into taking a small part of Ukraine, he’s not going to just surrender imo. He will break out the nukes and take the world down with him before that happens. It’s a crazy war because it could eventually just peter out, or end in WW3. Personally the longer that it drags on I see it heading toward the latter.

 

[Siver!]

Like I said, you're defending people literally being forced into war. Own it.

I'm not, though.

Not in any form.

Maybe sit this one out?

 

[wlu.29]

Neat, huh? The oh' so peaceful Liberals are justifying physically forcing people into war.

But they haven't changed...

A country under attack with existential crisis

Should they just surrender? Just because you want Canada to surrender when Trump tries to annex us, doesn't mean all people want that.

 

[HereticBD]

I'm not, though.

Not in any form.

Maybe sit this one out?

No, you are. Your posts are visible to everyone. You're justifying people getting ripped off of the streets to fight a war, because..."They're the defenders"

Not my problem that you're a Liberal and absolutely refuse to do any self reflection as to what you're arguing for. You'd defend slavery, if it was presented to you that it would "help" some oppressed people on your "oppressed people" rolodex.

Like I said, you're a child.

 

[HereticBD]

A country under attack with existential crisis

Oh' look, another one.

 

[Jacket time]

 

[wlu.29]

Oh' look, another one.

I don't wanr war, I came from a war torn country

But if a country invades your country, should you just surrender?

Just give me a straight, honest and simple answer.

 

[Siver!]

No, you are. Your posts are visible to everyone. You're justifying people getting ripped off of the streets to fight a war, because..."They're the defenders"

No, I didn't.

I said "I would condemn an invading nation utilizing conscription FIRST rather than a defensive nation for rather obvious reasons."

I've said conscription happens, and that I don't agree with it as it potentially violates human rights.

I'd be perfectly happy to condemn conscription as a whole, as I have done in this thread, but I won't stand for the hypocrisy of only blaming Ukraine for conscription as that's a lot of feeble-minded BS.

But you know that, don't you? You actually do know all that because my posts are visible to everyone.

Terribly sorry that this poor wind up attempt fell flat on it's face, lol

 

[Sinister]

Just because it has historical precedent doesn't make it acceptable. Slavery was legal and widely practiced until recently. Conscription is objectively a massive human rights violation.

So is invading a sovereign Nation.

 

[Sinister]

That's all I'm saying, man.

Russia is unquestionably worse.

That pretty much defeats anti-Ukraine rhetoric on almost every aspect of this war.

How quickly they forget Russian conscription stations getting molotov'ed, and Russian anti-War units sabotaging their own from within. Not to mention the tens of thousands of anti-War protestors jailed.

 

[Sinister]

I don't war, I came from a war torn country

But if a country invades your country, should you just surrender?

Just give me a straight, honest and simple answer.

MAGA politicians are now being instructed not to even say that Russia invaded.

Pretty soon we'll be seeing that here as the nareative trickles down. Hegseth already wont openly say Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[Siver!]

How quickly they forget Russian conscription stations getting molotov'ed, and Russian anti-War units sabotaging their own from within. Not to mention the tens of thousands of anti-War protestors jailed.

They remember, it's just a poor attempt to be seen to fawn over Trump's latest foreign policy turd lol

 

[HomeCheese]

Tens of millions of Republicans regret voting for Trump. They were talking about it on the news today. A gigantic blue wave is about to happen in 2026.

Did you really see a story about this?

 

[HereticBD]

I don't war, I came from a war torn country

But if a country invades your country, should you just surrender?

Just give me a straight, honest and simple answer.

The answer is complex. If you're already losing a war, and you have to resort to literally pulling people off the streets and forcing them into the front lines, you're now just fighting the government's war. If the will of the people is there, fine. If it's not, then you're just killing your people for the sake of it. Like it or not. surrender in the face of defeat, is an option. It ain't a fucking movie. If America were to ever invade us, I want to see your face when you're pulled off the streets to go get a bullet in the dome or burned alive. Something tells me that your feelings would be a bit more conflicted when it's your ass on the line, as opposed to some Ukrainians a million miles away, fighting for your internet feels.

 

[Siver!]

MAGA politicians are now being instructed not to even say that Russia invaded.

Pretty soon we'll be seeing that here as the nareative trickles down. Hegseth already wont openly say Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[Crazy Source]

Oh' look, another one.

YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN.