House of cards gets pulled from netflix (Kevin Spacey / Sex Assault megathread)

[Guestx]

Not really. I won't be surprised if they yank it altogether.

Think about it. Do you really want to be promoting one of you premiere shows, starring an alleged sexual predator/phile? Not a good look.

Well, you're speaking from a business perspective, and I think from a business perspective it all comes down to how much Netflix subscribers give a shit.

Do the subscribers WANT more House of Cards, regardless of these allegations?

 

[HereticBD]

Well, you're speaking from a business perspective, and I think from a business perspective it all comes down to how much Netflix subscribers give a shit.

Do the subscribers WANT more House of Cards, regardless of these allegations?

Netflix won't wait to find out. That's a risk that's simply not worth taking.

 

[minute bull]

Meh there are any number of reasons victims don't come forward. Especially male victims, where the stigma actually falls on the victim.

Hollywood's a handshake town, so nobody wants to brand themselves a whistleblower. Who wants to work with a rat? But with the speed of social media, leverage has shifted.

Rapp waited this long because he sees the support for the #metoo movement now, which was utterly absent before. Or at least he felt it was.

 

[Guestx]

Netflix won't wait to find out. That's a risk that's simply not worth taking.

I don't know.

As I'm sure you know, Woody Allen has been ALLEGED to have done some fucked up shit that's along the same lines. Nothing's been proven, so who knows about the veracity of these claims, but the allegations are out there.

That didn't stop Amazon from offering him a Brinks truck full of money and full creative freedom to make a show for them just a few years ago.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Kevin Spacey tried to fuck this 31 years ago and now Netflix is cancelling its biggest hit? Wow.

 

[HARRISON_3]

Kevin Spacey tried to fuck this 31 years ago and now Netflix is cancelling its biggest hit? Wow.

 

[iThrillhouse]

I do have to say, it seems like there should be a statute of limitations for outrage for this kind of thing.

I read that Spacey was 26 when this happened. Now he's 58.

Obviously I'm not condoning his actions. Just saying that people do really dumb shit in their 20s. They also change a hell of a lot in 32 years of living.

And we need to keep the crime in context here. He didn't actually rape the dude.

yeah. he just TRIED to rape his 14 year old child costar after inviting him to a party and supplying him with booze. This, as a 26 year old adult.


shadow...what more fucking context do you need to make my above sentence NOT okay?

are you actually arguing that because the victim kept silent due to either fear/shame, that somehow his accusation is not valid? even thought Spacey pretty well admits that he would've acted that way "while intoxicated" because "he was a closet homosexual"


Look I love Usual Suspects and American Beauty

I dont need any more context than Spacey using a PR firm to deflect away from a sexual assault allegation he made towards a minor by coming out of the closet

 

[Graves The Elder]

 

[Guestx]

yeah. he just TRIED to rape his 14 year old child costar after inviting him to a party and supplying him with booze. This, as a 26 year old adult.


shadow...what more fucking context do you need to make my above sentence NOT okay?

are you actually arguing that because the victim kept silent due to either fear/shame, that somehow his accusation is not valid? even thought Spacey pretty well admits that he would've acted that way "while intoxicated" because "he was a closet homosexual"


Look I love Usual Suspects and American Beauty

I dont need any more context than Spacey using a PR firm to deflect away from a sexual assault allegation he made towards a minor by coming out of the closet

It might be helpful to read through the thread to flesh out my position, but I really think the 30+ year gap here is important.

Do not come and fuck with me in 30 years for mistakes I make today. I'll be 65 then and a totally different person. If you have a problem, tell me now.

Also, from what I can tell he didn't try to rape anybody.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I think they made the right call. Spacey didn't deny that it happened. Rapp has no reason to lie about it. And they want to signal that they are not going to tolerate anyone on their payroll being involved in any type of sexual harassment. It's a good thing because it will at least make those in power think twice the next time they get handsy since they will now know they are not above having their multi-million dollar contract terminated if someone finds out.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

You know what the sad part of all this rape stuff is?



The rape.

But also, it just goes to show that men in positions of power will do this if left unchecked. That means you would do it, everyone in sherdog would do it, I would do it. I don't doubt for a second that if I were that powerful, I would try to use that power to score some pussy at one time or another.

 

[iThrillhouse]

If it really happened and the guy is really that fucked up about, I'm not saying Spacey should get off scott free. But it sounds like a personal thing that needs to be worked out between them. Kevin should probably personally apologize and make it all better by giving him some money.

It might be helpful to read through the thread to flesh out my position, but I really think the 30+ year gap here is important.

Do not come and fuck with me in 30 years for mistakes I make today. I'll be 65 then and a totally different person. If you have a problem, tell me now.

I'll bite,

Spacey is known around hollywood for being aggressive with Males/models, just look through reddit posts about him being indecent...this isnt a one off thing here.

Like I agree with you we all make mistakes...but Spacey "basically" admitting that what he's accused of his something he would've done, is a floodgate, there could be DOZENS more actors/models in the industry who've had similar experiences with him but have been terrified of speaking out....

if you're not already aware, most sexual assault victims usually dont want to hang out with those who assaulted/violated them...Rapp's entire interview/article is about how back at the Tony's he was horrified that he had to watch his violator present awards to his colleagues, knowing that all these years Spacey had avoided Rapp and the evening in question... like Rapp says as much that he tried to open a dialogue and was constantly ignored... Spacey knew what he did...he leveraged his power/position in the industry to keep Rapp from ever being in a position where he could obtain justice.

he fact that Spacey blew his 14 year old costar off for YEARS shows that he knows what he did was wrong, but that he didn't care to make it right because in all likelihood he kept fucking doing it with others.

i dunno man, times change and people change with them

but this is a floodgate, and Spaceys reaction indicates to me that he has a fuckload of skeletons in his closet that he is PRAYING do not get out, and coming out as gay is the biggest deflection he can give out to avoid others coming forward

frankly I hope this incredibly transparent attempt to get away with a sexual assault completely backfires and tanks his career

I dont care how fucking funny he is in Horrible Bosses, or Baby Driver...

the mans fucked up, and his reaction proves it

 

[KnightTemplar]

Ironic that house of cards should fall due to a sex scandal. I feel like it wouldn’t even hurt a real politicians chance at reelection.

There's an old joke that the only thing that can be guaranteed to sink a political career is to be caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl

 

[BisexualMMA]

You know what the sad part of all this rape stuff is?

The rape.

But also, it just goes to show that men in positions of power will do this if left unchecked. That means you would do it, everyone in sherdog would do it, I would do it. I don't doubt for a second that if I were that powerful, I would try to use that power to score some pussy at one time or another.

Are you saying that all men with power will rape others if unchecked?

 

[Oeshon]

Well he did visit Epsteins poon island, so it isn't a surprise at all. I'd be skeptical of anyone who was flying to Epsteins island on the Lolita Express.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Some of Spacey's HoC co-stars might be feeling rather nervous this morning. If anything surfaces about Spacey perving on cast members - there are rumours he's done this with extras - their careers could be sunk along with his.

Weinstein was the Hollywood Valachi Papers. Omerta has been broken; the Godfathers can no longer rely on the code of silence to protect them

 

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

Lol crazy.

Spacey didn't fuck him, there isn't even proof. Now this great man has to go through this bs. I want to see proof.

 

[Mike]

I think that people can and do change over time. Plenty of men who did heinous things in their youth reform themselves into respectable citizens as they grow older.

I'd hate to live in a society that doesn't believe in second chances or redemption. Sounds fucking terrible.

Sounds nice in theory but it's a bit naive. This outlook assumes there are no such things as psychopaths and sociopaths. Some crimes are unforgivable.


I don't care how long ago it was, if you rape or murder someone you forfeit your right to be part of the human race.


Some crimes happen because people just fuck up, or are placed in bad situations with bad options. You can't excuse taking a life or irreversibly damaging someone by saying


"Oh that was a while ago though, I'm different now!" As if it was all just a mistake. Well people don't mistakenly rape, murder, etc. Part of having a society is putting the needs of the collective above the individual. Frankly the right of the law abiding citizen to feel reasonably safe outweighs the right of the criminal to keep fucking up over and over.


Each "second chance" is giving them another opportunity to do harm after we know what they are.

Your position assumes lives have equal value. By default the life of a repeat violent offender is of lesser value than a moral, law abiding citizen.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Well, you're speaking from a business perspective, and I think from a business perspective it all comes down to how much Netflix subscribers give a shit.

Do the subscribers WANT more House of Cards, regardless of these allegations?

I had already decided to never watch it again after the end of season five. It jumped the shark, the seaweed, the pelicans flying over the shark...

 

[Mike]

Hollywood's a handshake town, so nobody wants to brand themselves a whistleblower. Who wants to work with a rat? But with the speed of social media, leverage has shifted.

Rapp waited this long because he sees the support for the #metoo movement now, which was utterly absent before. Or at least he felt it was.

Oh for sure. You blow the whistle and at a minimum your career is over. That's without considering people not believing you, the risk of having your reputation slandered to shift the focus off of them.


There are a lot of different ways powerful people like that can ruin your life.