Law House Democrats to Unveil $760 Billion Infrastructure Plan

“Move goal posts”


Look at your complaints, then remember


“The best numbers in our lifetime”
China trade deal
Renegotiated NAFTA.


That’s all he needed to do. The rest is icing on the cake.
Still completely missing the point (or just don´t have the arguments to actually adress it). Keep trying to move the goal posts, exposing your lack of coherent arguments (and your blatant hypocrisy) in the process. It´s what is expected of you around here.
 
Still completely missing the point (or just don´t have the arguments to actually adress it). Keep trying to move the goal posts, exposing your lack of coherent arguments (and your blatant hypocrisy) in the process. It´s what is expected of you around here.


Your shitty point was “but.. but.. trump broke campaign promises”.



Your point is shit, because much to everyone’s surprise, Trump delivered on more campaign promises than any president in my adult life.


China, usmca, Isis son’d, literally the best numbers, these are not only important accomplishments. They also happen to signal a shift in how America engages with China. Take note, Schumer has backed Trump all the way through. This is a long fight ahead and we have won round one.
 
Your shitty point was “but.. but.. trump broke campaign promises”.



Your point is shit, because much to everyone’s surprise, Trump delivered on more campaign promises than any president in my adult life.


China, usmca, Isis son’d, literally the best numbers, these are not only important accomplishments. They also happen to signal a shift in how America engages with China. Take note, Schumer has backed Trump all the way through. This is a long fight ahead and we have won round one.
That doesn't really change the fact that he made campaign promises he didn't keep. Just like the dems and every other politician.
In fact trump has broken more campaign promises than he has kept.
Sure trump has good and important accomplishments, but that's really besides the point here.
 
I'd rather a politician plan how not to steal my money, not how they want to steak more of it and the bullshit they want to waste it on
 
Are you retarded? You attempted pointing out at Trump doing the same, except you failed it miserably.

For instance, Trump promised to build a wall, which is currently under construction. He promised to make Mexico pay for it, they are absolutely contributing to it (by placing their military on the border, enforcing immigration law, etc), in fact, their actions are literally more important than a wall. Not only these two facts, but also he’s gone above and beyond what he promised by making substantial changes to immigration policy.


Let’s contrasts with the Democrats, who are currently running on giving away $60 trillion worth of free shit, they know they can’t pay for it, they know they can’t push the legislation through, they are literally the pipe dream party.

They are not paying for the wall. You know it. Are you arguing that Trump could not have had Mexico do those things if he didn’t build the wall? How, specifically, did building the wall make Mexico do the things you mentioned?
 
That doesn't really change the fact that he made campaign promises he didn't keep. Just like the dems and every other politician.
In fact trump has broken more campaign promises than he has kept.
Sure trump has good and important accomplishments, but that's really besides the point here.


The two aren’t even comparable. Bernie is literally running on giving away three times the entire national debt every 10 years. That is so far removed from reality, that comparing it with any other presidents campaign promises, is laughable.
 
The two aren’t even comparable. Bernie is literally running on giving away three times the entire national debt every 10 years. That is so far removed from reality, that comparing it with any other presidents campaign promises, is laughable.
Bern gun pay for my kid's school! Gun by me a house!
 
They are not paying for the wall. You know it. Are you arguing that Trump could not have had Mexico do those things if he didn’t build the wall? How, specifically, did building the wall make Mexico do the things you mentioned?


Fact, Mexico is contributing large sums of money to improving Americas illegal immigration problem. Furthermore, they’ve become our first wall.

Fact, they only did this because of pressure from trump.


Oh, and while getting these concessions from Mexico, trump also renegotiated nafta with them.


Contrast this with Obama, who did nothing for eight years. He was totally ok with Mexico and China getting the better of us.
 
Fact, Mexico is contributing large sums of money to improving Americas illegal immigration problem. Furthermore, they’ve become our first wall.

Fact, they only did this because of pressure from trump.


Oh, and while getting these concessions from Mexico, trump also renegotiated nafta with them.


Contrast this with Obama, who did nothing for eight years. He was totally ok with Mexico and China getting the better of us.

Agreed, but you didn’t explain how they are paying for the wall. He could have gotten all of those things without the wall. The fact is that Mexico is not paying for the wall.
 
The two aren’t even comparable. Bernie is literally running on giving away three times the entire national debt every 10 years. That is so far removed from reality, that comparing it with any other presidents campaign promises, is laughable.

Trump said he would eliminate the entire debt.
 
Agreed, but you didn’t explain how they are paying for the wall. He could have gotten all of those things without the wall. The fact is that Mexico is not paying for the wall.

Trump said he would eliminate the entire debt.


Cnn
Trump's border wall: Why some say Mexico already built it -- and paid for it - CNN - CNN.com


NBC

Trump did get Mexico to build a wall — of its troops on its own southern border
It might not be a concrete barrier overlooking the Rio Grande, but Mexico's president has given Trump a big helping hand with immigration enforcement.


Even the brits get it.

Mexico has become Trump's wall': how Amlo became an immigration enforcer








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Was you second point supposed to make sense? Bernie’s promise is literally tree times the size.


{<Mcgoat}
 
Agreed, but you didn’t explain how they are paying for the wall. He could have gotten all of those things without the wall. The fact is that Mexico is not paying for the wall.
I'll glady fork over my tax dollars for improved border security.
I don't really get the opposition to a stronger border barrier. Why would you act like you're OK with the rest of it but have issue with the actual barrier that is our last line of defense before people sneak over? Seems disingenuous to me.
 
I'll glady fork over my tax dollars for improved border security.
I don't really get the opposition to a stronger border barrier. Why would you act like you're OK with the rest of it but have issue with the actual barrier that is our last line of defense before people sneak over? Seems disingenuous to me.

I don't care about the wall at all beyond thinking it is a waste of money ( typical government though) and having concerns that the govt is seizing land through eminent domain, which I hate.

My issue is only the BS argument that Mexico is paying for it.
 
Cnn
Trump's border wall: Why some say Mexico already built it -- and paid for it - CNN - CNN.com


NBC

Trump did get Mexico to build a wall — of its troops on its own southern border
It might not be a concrete barrier overlooking the Rio Grande, but Mexico's president has given Trump a big helping hand with immigration enforcement.


Even the brits get it.

Mexico has become Trump's wall': how Amlo became an immigration enforcer








.....


Was you second point supposed to make sense? Bernie’s promise is literally tree times the size.


{<Mcgoat}

Why do you pretend that Trump as any more interest in being fiscally responsible than other politicians? I'm pretty sure the deficit increased even while he had control of both houses.
 
Why do you pretend that Trump as any more interest in being fiscally responsible than other politicians? I'm pretty sure the deficit increased even while he had control of both houses.



^^^ doesn’t understand deficits, rolls with the talking point anyway.


Please go argue with your own Jack Savage, he calls the deficits “arguably justified”.
 
WASHINGTON — House Democrats on Wednesday plan to unveil a five-year, $760 billion framework for rebuilding the nation’s highways, airports and other infrastructure, laying out an election-year package with little chance of enactment after bipartisan talks with the White House on the issue failed to gain traction.

The outline, billed as the “Moving Forward Framework,” provides a foundation for legislation that is currently being drafted or debated in House committees, according to a senior Democratic aide who was familiar with the plans but was unauthorized to discuss them before a public announcement on Wednesday.

It is the product of a collaboration led by Representative Peter A. DeFazio of Oregon, the chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee; Frank Pallone Jr. of New Jersey, the chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee; and Richard E. Neal of Massachusetts, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.

“This is not just about fixing our roads and bridges,” the three said in a joint statement. “It is about seizing the opportunity to make transformational changes in communities of all sizes, in every corner of our country.”

Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Representative Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, the majority leader, will formally announce the plan on Wednesday, after a closed-door presentation to the House Democratic caucus.

Democrats will also renew calls for bipartisan talks with the White House to forge an agreement on infrastructure, the aide said, including a mechanism to pay for it. But after they struck an initial deal with Mr. Trump last spring to pursue a $2 trillion package, talks faltered over how to finance the initiative, and the president stormed out of a meeting on the topic, declaring that he could not work with Democrats until they stopped investigating him.

“We thought we would be able to move in a positive way on this,” Ms. Pelosi said at a news conference this month. “So far, they have not come on board. However, we’ve decided now, we’ll just have to go forward.”

The renewed push for agreement on an infrastructure plan comes as Democrats, eager to shift the focus from the divisive impeachment proceedings against Mr. Trump, are mapping out an election-year agenda that showcases their policy priorities.

It is highly unlikely that the plan will prompt a genuine round of negotiations with the Republican-led Senate and the White House that would yield legislation that could be signed into law before the election. But the rollout suggests that Democrats intend to spend the coming months passing a slate of popular infrastructure bills to show voters, then seek to blame Republicans and the White House if they fail to succeed.

The 19-page plan to be proposed by Democrats includes $329 billion for investment in transportation systems, including improving safety measures for bicyclists and pedestrians, and $105 billion for transit agencies and maintenance needs. The framework also includes $55 billion in railway investments for both the expansion of the country’s passenger rail network and improvement of Amtrak stations and services, $19.7 billion for the upkeep of harbors and ports, $86 billion for the expansion of broadband access and additional funds to address greenhouse gas pollution and increase climate resiliency.

There will also be $21.4 billion for the preservation of clean drinking water and communities dealing with toxic chemicals that can contaminate drinking water, known as PFAS. Democrats struggled to include stronger regulations for PFAS in must-pass defense policy legislation late last year, and passed a stand-alone measure in early January.

And while the framework also includes transportation and infrastructure legislation routinely addressed by Congress, Democrats made a point of emphasizing efforts to counter climate change and its effects.


An infrastructure plan has been an elusive goal for both the Trump administration and Congress over the last three years. The phrase “Infrastructure Week” has become something of a joke that encapsulates the dysfunction of Washington in the Trump era, after the White House repeatedly scheduled one during Mr. Trump’s first two years in office, only to have it overshadowed by a jarring comment by the president or a damaging revelation about him.

Nine months before Election Day, a $1 trillion infrastructure plan is still one of Mr. Trump’s unfulfilled promises from his inaugural campaign.

The Senate has begun work on its own infrastructure legislation, with one highway bill passing unanimously out of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee this session. That bill authorizes $287 billion over five years, and includes provisions for road safety and programs to maintain and repair roads and bridges.

The template to be announced on Wednesday is the first significant overture by Democrats on the issue since the blowup at the White House in May, when the president said he would not strike a compromise on infrastructure while Democrats were working to investigate him.

“I walked into the room and I told Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi: ‘I want to do infrastructure. I want to do it more than you want to do it. I’d be really good at that, that’s what I do. But you know what? You can’t do it under these circumstances. So get these phony investigations over with,’” the president said at the time.

Mr. Neal, the chairman of the Ways and Means committee, has spoken with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin in recent months, in part about the financial mechanisms necessary for the infrastructure plan, according to a person familiar with the conversations but unauthorized to discuss them publicly.

It is unclear how successful the push for bipartisan cooperation will be. While Mr. Trump will host the signing ceremony for the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement on Wednesday, he did not invite Ms. Pelosi or any of the Democrats involved in critical negotiations despite overwhelming Democratic support for the deal.

In a statement, Henry Connelly, a spokesman for Ms. Pelosi, said that Democrats would be “well represented” there anyway, because of the “huge changes” made to the agreement at the party’s insistence.

Shoot, this would have already been signed if Dems weren't so obsessed with impeachment.
 
It's certainly needed. Driving around LA is like east Germany before the wall fell

I can definitely see that angle. I know you guys are getting well and truly raped on gasoline taxes out there...holy shit! North Carolina is pretty bad as well. People who live near the North Carolina / South Carolina border will drive across into South Carolina to fill up as it's like $.15 cheaper per gallon in South Carolina.

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Holy shit...$.61 per gallon in California?? God damn that's fucking insane! This is why it costs $500 to rent a UHaul when leaving California, and $1000 when entering California. haha
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It’s what I do. I live in Illinois, fortunately for me tho I live 8 miles from Missouri. I haven’t gotten gasoline in Illinois in over 15 years.
 
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