Holocaust survivors

[wandiswar]

I think I told this story on here.

I remember my old 11th grade history teacher, who was a WWII vet, shared his own personal collection of photos he took of the concentration camps. I shit you not I remember that day so fucking vividly. he had an injury & needed a cane to walk & he never wrote on the chalk board & used to have those projectors that used to display notes he had prepared in advance for each lesson.


I sat upfront so when he put up his pictures on the projector, I was able to see all the extreme details of how truly fucked up these camps were. I mean you of course you can find the sort of extreme pictures online nowadays, but back then accessibility to shit like that was so rare.

there were pics of massive ditch holes used to burn extreme amounts of corpses. what was fucking creepy was that some of those corpses looked like totally normal people that were alive, with missing limbs & patches of missing flesh/skin.


the most chilling part was how my old teacher said he went to war with his best friend, & while they were on the same fighter plane he witnessed his best friend turn to "hamburger meat" from an enemy heavy machine gun, his exact words. this was all told to us profoundly with such emotion, he was spitting at every word, spit droplets even landing on my face/desk & the other students who sat up front, but we were so engrossed into the vivid & candid details. he almost fell over all the while sweating profusely & we just helped him to his seat.


God, just thinking about what he fucking saw, in person.

Funny how the human brain remembers things like this so vividly.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

What name calling? Didn't call you anything you are not.

As for the link, you can use google to translate the following link from Hebrew to English.

http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/he/holocaust/resource_center/item.asp?gate=2-34

i'm no racist, i'm not even on the racism list, you are on it twice!

deal with it, i'll check your link later btw, sounds lame. why can't you just link something in english?

edit: um... i clicked on the link, how can i translate it into english?

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

So is it really illegal to try and disapprove something about the Holocaust or not? I would really like to know but I'm not too sure how to find out the answer.

Because if that's true, then that's fucked up and very scary.

pretty sure in germany it is, people have been jailed for denying i believe. not sure about anywhere else.

 

[Rusk]

Wiki

Laws against Holocaust denial


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I am not denying holocaust, obviously, but these laws are shit.

 

[Zoti]

i'm no racist, i'm not even on the racism list, you are on it twice!

deal with it, i'll check your link later btw, sounds lame. why can't you just link something in english?

edit: um... i clicked on the link, how can i translate it into english?

I'll let you figure out by yourself why the Israeli website of the holocaust remembrance museum in Israel is in Hebrew and also how to use Google translate to translate it.

 

[panamaican]

There's no scientific data to back it up, but I've been noticing a trend lately and reading this article didn't help. It's not only a vocal minority, a LOT of people are really showing their hatred towards Jewish people. Well, maybe "hatred" isn't the correct term to use. More like dismissal or not caring about the Jewish history of being an oppressed minority.

I hope we can have a civil discussion about this and not get this thread locked.

This is the article I was talking about. If this article was posted 10 years ago, I don't think it would have a fraction of the amount of hateful comments than it does now.

http://news.yahoo.com/holocaust-survivors-recall-most-vivid-memories-103737388.html

Not to minimize your point but most of the comments on the internet are hateful or antagonistic.

Whether it's Jewish, black, Asian, gay, etc. People on the internet tend towards expressing very negative opinions. It's not new but it has gotten worse because so many more people are on the internet and so many more sites have comment sections.

 

[Bubba2086**]

I am not denying holocaust, obviously, but these laws are shit.

I fully agree and I bet that they can deny anything else except for that which just seems weird and absurd to me.

 

[the ambush]

It is ok for people to deny the holocaust just as it is ok for Japanese people to deny murdering millions of Chinese people in WWII.

One extreme is not too different from the other.

 

[5H3RD0G]

It is ok for people to deny the holocaust just as it is ok for Japanese people to deny murdering millions of Chinese people in WWII.

One extreme is not too different from the other.

That generation is long gone, If you relive those horrible moments you will never find peace. People have changed since then, if you fail to see that you are already dead. :icon_lol:

 

[FinalFight]

I'm talking about the ratio of hateful comments versus your normal comments.

Yahoo is a magnet for racist idiots in the comments section. I switched from yahoo email to gmail because of it.

You can read any story about non whites on yahoo news and you will see a bunch of idiots spewing the vilest racism.

 

[FinalFight]

Oh & BTW I'm loving the justifications raining in that justify the dismissal of the Holocaust using the same tired old narrative that Hitler used to justify it in the first place.

Not hard to spot those with a certain mentality who choose their words carefully enough not to expose themselves fully.

 

[ManiacTroll]

It's hard to sympathize with a group that controls the money and power. With minorities, you think of oppression. The Jews have pretty much been the elite of societies. The Holocaust is a great way for them to garner sympathy. And when you see a group in control, you can't help but wonder what they are lying about to make themselves appear better.

Hitler was ending random everyday people who happened to be of jewish faith, get real.

 

[5H3RD0G]

Hitler was ending random everyday people who happened to be of jewish faith, get real.

Hitler was a fool, in order to bring people to order you have to teach them. Killing them only allows the spirit to seek vengeance rather than perspective.

 

[ManiacTroll]

Hitler was a fool, in order to bring people to order you have to teach them. Killing them only allows the spirit to seek vengeance rather than perspective.

Well, its not like he and his minions had many valueable lessons to teach.

 

[5H3RD0G]

Well, its not like he and his minions had many valueable lessons to teach.

If you burn books it's hard to teach you are trying to control the populous rather than allow them to learn. His plan was to bring order he did the opposite. Those that use force don't have skill they are a bacteria type intelligence. Completely and utterly useless.

 

[Bob Charlie]

Not hard to spot those with a certain mentality who choose their words carefully enough not to expose themselves fully.

Its sad & pathetic, they hate people they've never met based on some antiquated misinformation campaign. They distain the Jews but never stop thinking about them. & they never miss an opportunity to let their opinions shine through. They're masters of derailing any non-negative conversation about Jewish people, devolving it into their miopic narrative. A bunch of seething groupthink trolls holding every individual member they ascribe to Jewishness accountable for every action they have determined is the work of the world ZOG.

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

Its sad & pathetic, they hate people they've never met based on some antiquated misinformation campaign. They distain the Jews but never stop thinking about them. & they never miss an opportunity to let their opinions shine through. They're masters of derailing any non-negative conversation about Jewish people, devolving it into their miopic narrative. A bunch of seething groupthink trolls holding every individual member they ascribe to Jewishness accountable for every action they have determined is the work of the world ZOG.

Well that's just your opinion man.

 

[Pupi]

Where I do very much disagree with you is when you say that Germany was an advanced nation.

They were perceived to be an advanced nation. They made cool stuff that Britain and other European countries couldn't compete with.

But it's my firm belief that no nation that is run by a racist, ethnocentric ideology, that carries out a program of genocide and ethnic cleansing, can be considered advanced.

On some fundamental level, they failed as civilization. And they deserved to.

Which put them on the same level with the other "lesser races"

You're not understanding European cultural history nor their intellectual faculties in the modern age. Racial theorists were popping up in the 18th century, most well known was Comte Gobineau, and their train of thought existed until after the colonial period, circa 1950s. It's not that Europe was the exception in a world not full of racial prejudice, it's that Europe was in the majority, or should I say the main agitator of this line of thinking. Germany, Russia, and France were all advanced countries in the 1700s and still are to this day, but what is irrefutable is that they had antisemetic beliefs, much like every other country at the time. Fyodor Dostoevsky despised Jews and foresaw the coming of a Great War that was intended to wipe them out, same as Richard Wagner, and countless other intellectuals in Europe and even America. Henry Ford was a well known antisemite and the Rockefellers and Ford gave money to Germany and even funded their industry during the Weimar period and during the rise of the Nazis. Also, this is irrefutable information. Same goes for the fact that Prescott Bush, the father of GB Senior, supports the Nazis, the father of JFK and Ambassador to Great Britain supported the Nazis as well.

Here is an exerpt of Richard Wagners essay titled Judaism in Music:

"Since it here is merely in respect of Art, and specially of Music, that we want to explain to ourselves the popular dislike of the Jewish nature, even at the present day, we may completely pass over any dealing with this same phenomenon in the field of Religion and Politics. In [80] Religion the Jews have long ceased to be our hated foes,

 

[Pupi]

Countries need to be analyzed within their eras, people. C'mon now. This is historical analysis 101 shit here.

 

[maxroider]

people of Jewish Faith is a poor descriptor of the people the Nazis murdered for being Jewish. Whether you think that modern Jews are descended more from Semites or Caucasians they are a distinct racial group which was recognized in the Nuremberg Laws. Many of the Jews murdered were Jewish Christians/Catholics & Jewish Atheist/Agnostics.

Oh & BTW I'm loving the justifications raining in that justify the dismissal of the Holocaust using the same tired old narrative that Hitler used to justify it in the first place.

Show me one piece of evidence of Hitler even mentioning a "holocaust"