Holly Holm Disappointment

[The lord of bones]

So everybody at WBW is allowed to have holes in their game apart from Holm?

Let's not forget Ronda destroyed everybody else put in front of her before Holly completely destroyed her, Ronda had never lost a round until that fight.

For everybody saying she doesn't deserve a rematch, the fight game isn't about what you deserve it's about what you can get.

 

[The lord of bones]

Uh oh Lord of Bones is reading, about to be triggered...

She wasnt able to get her on the ground ffs, Holm is a fucking beast one of the strongest girls I have seen in MMA.
Taking her down is no easy task.

Google Holly Holm steroids, have a look at the pictures it pulls up.

Meh, I don't really care about baseless accusations, everybody from 196s tests came back clean so I won't even get into it, she's just a brilliant athlete, she only made her UFC debut last year.

 

[ricioyourdoom]

Meh, I don't really care about baseless accusations, everybody from 196s tests came back clean so I won't even get into it, she's just a brilliant athlete, she only made her UFC debut last year.

Of course, I guess you didnt google it then. lol.
Lance Armstrong passed more tests than anyone dude, wake up.

 

[ricioyourdoom]

Uh oh Lord of Bones is reading, about to be triggered... TBF Rond has some suspicious pictures too, while 'The Little Cupcake That Could' just looks like a random B-movie actress next to Holm and Cyborg.

I think if your as strong as Holm and have a clit like a pancake then some people are going to be pretty suspicious about it, excuse me!

Anyway Holm is without doubt the biggest beast of a woman I have ever seen, Them legs are thunderously built.

I can see her being the champ for a very very long time once she gets it back.

 

[The lord of bones]

Of course, I guess you didnt google it then. lol.
Lance Armstrong passed more tests than anyone dude, wake up.

Everybody in the cycling industry knew he was using steroids for years, they also didn't get random drug tested year round by USADA.

 

[The lord of bones]

Uh oh Lord of Bones is reading, about to be triggered... TBF Rond has some suspicious pictures too, while 'The Little Cupcake That Could' just looks like a random B-movie actress next to Holm and Cyborg.

So she looks unathletic next to 2 superior athletes, such a great accomplishment.

 

[ricioyourdoom]

Everybody in the cycling industry knew he was using steroids for years, they also didn't get random drug tested year round by USADA.

Do your research, USADA and other orgz were testing him randomly all the time.

 

[The lord of bones]

Do your research, USADA and other orgz were testing him randomly all the time.

Do your research! Rogan did a 3 hour interview with him on his podcast and him & Schaub discuss it all the time.

Why would UFC hide a Holm drug test when it would instantly have an explanation for their golden girl & cash cows downfall and they'd immediately be able to start making millions off her again?

People like you need steroids to stay interested in the sport, sorry bro but everybody at 196 was clean. There is a little thing called hard work though, and another little thing called being an athlete of some sort for the majority of her life.

 

[HereticBD]

So everybody at WBW is allowed to have holes in their game apart from Holm?

It's not that. It's that everyone was talking like she had none after she beat Rousey. I've never seen so much praise bestowed on a one-dimensional boxer after one performance. Shit got silly in here for a while after that fight.

 

[The lord of bones]

It's not that. It's that everyone was talking like she had none after she beat Rousey. I've never seen so much praise bestowed on a one-dimensional boxer after one performance. Shit got silly in here for a while after that fight.

Nobody at WBW is a complete fighter, Holm has elite striking and good TDD, that probably wins her the fight against anybody except Miesha and it isn't like she can't win that fight, Styles make fights.

 

[One MMA Fan]

Of course, I guess you didnt google it then. lol.
Lance Armstrong passed more tests than anyone dude, wake up.

If you go by that logic why do you apply it only to Holly may I ask ?

I think if your as strong as Holm and have a clit like a pancake then some people are going to be pretty suspicious about it, excuse me!

Anyway Holm is without doubt the biggest beast of a woman I have ever seen, Them legs are thunderously built.

I can see her being the champ for a very very long time once she gets it back.

I'm sorry but its a bit off putting to have you talk about her private areas like you are some sort of expert on female anatomy and the correlation of there body parts in regards to PED use to put it nicely.. it comes close to some bro science levels.

I find it as laughable as those people that think PEDs equal instant shredded body and we have example in Josh Barnett and others that that type of thinking is wrong.

So yea there are women out there that have different shaped, sized and other 'specifications' of there private areas, same like there are differences with our own pluming.. yea of course the general gist is the same but there are differences for us to, it would be funny if we started accusing fighters of PEDs just based on there length and girth wouldn't it ?

Cyborg is bigger and there are girls in the top 10 that are in similar range to her but yea she can be the best athlete out of the bunch and I agree she would be favorite in rematches with Tate and Ronda and the only one that is a toss up will be Cyborg.

 

[One MMA Fan]

It's not that. It's that everyone was talking like she had none after she beat Rousey. I've never seen so much praise bestowed on a one-dimensional boxer after one performance. Shit got silly in here for a while after that fight.

I'm sorry but considering what this place was with all the Ronda hype and brand pushing on us done by so many parties (UFC / Media / casuals / brainwashed 'fans' / Rogan / and many posters around here that bought into all the BS.. fighting Floyd or the dude in my avatar.. it brought attention to MMA but it also made it a joke in the same time)... so yea I think it was only fair to have that kind of response and boy o boy did Holly delivered big time.

Nobody at WBW is a complete fighter, Holm has elite striking and good TDD, that probably wins her the fight against anybody except Miesha and it isn't like she can't win that fight, Styles make fights.

Who would you favor if she goes again vs Tate, Ronda and even Cyborg may I ask ?

 

[The lord of bones]

I'm sorry but considering what this place was with all the Ronda hype and brand pushing on us done by so many parties (UFC / Media / casuals / brainwashed 'fans' / Rogan / and many posters around here that bought into all the BS.. fighting Floyd or the dude in my avatar.. it brought attention to MMA but it also made it a joke in the same time)... so yea I think it was only fair to have that kind of response and boy o boy did Holly delivered big time.



Who would you favor if she goes again vs Tate, Ronda and even Cyborg may I ask ?

I'm over confident in her but evidence shows that she stands a better chance against Tate than Tate against Rousey and Rousey against Holm. She beats Ronda every time because Ronda is a limited grappler who's only great when she's the physically stronger opponent which isn't the case when she fights Holm, people call me crazy but I think Holm is the toughest match up for Cyborg by far, she is a counter strikers dream.

 

[HereticBD]

I'm sorry but considering what this place was with all the Ronda hype and brand pushing on us done by so many parties (UFC / Media / casuals / brainwashed 'fans' / Rogan / and many posters around here that bought into all the BS.. fighting Floyd or the dude in my avatar.. it brought attention to MMA but it also made it a joke in the same time)... so yea I think it was only fair to have that kind of response and boy o boy did Holly delivered big time.

Like it or not, Ronda earned most of that hype by decimating opponent after opponent after opponent, in Strike Force and the UFC. It really wasn't BS. She was undeniably dominant. Hell, very few gave Holly a shot in hell of beating her, and were calling her another "gimme fight". She went from that, to people legitimately arguing that she was the GOAT and would never be beaten. After ONE performance. It was ridiculous.

She's WMMA's Buster Douglas. That's it.

 

[The Big Bang]

Like it or not, Ronda earned most of that hype by decimating opponent after opponent after opponent, in Strike Force and the UFC. It really wasn't BS. She was undeniably dominant. Hell, very few gave Holly a shot in hell of beating her, and were calling her another "gimme fight". She went from that, to people legitimately arguing that she was the GOAT and would never be beaten. After ONE performance. It was ridiculous.

She's WMMA's Buster Douglas. That's it.

...but Tyson continued fighting.

Whereas Ronda is sitting on the sidelines whilst getting booted from movies in which she was supposed to be the star...

 

[One MMA Fan]

I'm over confident in her but evidence shows that she stands a better chance against Tate than Tate against Rousey and Rousey against Holm. She beats Ronda every time because Ronda is a limited grappler who's only great when she's the physically stronger opponent which isn't the case when she fights Holm, people call me crazy but I think Holm is the toughest match up for Cyborg by far, she is a counter strikers dream.

I also was surprised by the lack of sub defense and not knowing/able to get up fast from under Tate those were total surprises and again I got reminded that this is a shallow division and that WMMA is still in it's infancy for many years to come.

She needs to improve in those area as soon as possible and her age is a problem the goal is to get the belt and have a few defenses before calling it quit and going for a normal family life with kids and what not depends on what she wants of course but she does struck me like the type that will want kids and a big family.

I noticed that she is very strong in the upper-body area not just in terms of power but also in the grappling side of things she is hard if not very hard to take down from the clinch but she has difficulties against double legs the more traditional american (folkstyle) wrestling and guess what.. Ronda doesn't shoot those type of takedowns. (judo knee issues or lack of skill whatever the reasons)

And you are right out of all the girls she has the best chance vs Cyborg like the best chance to win hands down.. even so I think in the best case it's still a 50% 50% fight.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Nobody at WBW is a complete fighter, Holm has elite striking and good TDD, that probably wins her the fight against anybody except Miesha and it isn't like she can't win that fight, Styles make fights.

Everyone has flaws except for they was shertards see it.

Shertards think a lot of people have no flaws until they loose. Everyone can be beat, it's just a matter of finding the right combination of talents.

 

[One MMA Fan]

Like it or not, Ronda earned most of that hype by decimating opponent after opponent after opponent, in Strike Force and the UFC. It really wasn't BS. She was undeniably dominant. Hell, very few gave Holly a shot in hell of beating her, and were calling her another "gimme fight". She went from that, to people legitimately arguing that she was the GOAT and would never be beaten. After ONE performance. It was ridiculous.

She's WMMA's Buster Douglas. That's it.

Ronda and WMMA was a 'gimmick' more or less that Dana White decided to roll the dice on and guess what.. the casuals, media and like I see here even a vet like yourself eat it up like there was no tomorrow.

And this decimating her opponents yea I can't take that away it happened but then again the level of those opponents when you really brake it down.. age / skill / just the overall media attention was maybe doing half the work vs them / overall level they been training and competing it was out of place vs a longtime olympic athlete that was cutting good weight and had a legit background.. o by the way I still wonder to this day what the heck happened to Sara McMann did she get old over night or just that type of olympic competition is that weak compared to the more developed and competitive judo side.

I think Holly would prove you wrong on that Buster Douglas comparison by regaining the belt and I don't think it was a good comparison cause Tyson was competing in a more legit environment (the man side of the sport where the equivalent to a women's would be what ? teen boys age 15-17 equals the elite in the woman side.. cause just that's how nature works and that of course influenced the level of competition at all stages.. the grind is different resulting in better skilled / trained athletes), in a total different weight class (like open weight basically) and was by far on a different level in terms of skills / athletics / fame and notoriety.

 

[skombolis]

she says one thing to the camera, and another behind the scenes. says she will fight anyone and wants to be very active and fight very often. but behind the scenes doesnt want it. typical

The situation has changed now that she lost the title. Had she beaten Tate then obviously she would have wins over Ronda and Meisha and she would have been looking for the biggest money fight she could get while waiting to see if Ronda returns.

Now that she lost, her goal is to get the title back. The risk/reward no longer makes sense to fight Cyborg and chance getting a second loss (which would hurt her stock big time) and losing her place in line for the title.

She took the Meisha fight instead of waiting on Ronda when almost anyone ritse would have waited. It backfired. Which is another reason I'm sure she is taking the smarter path. A win over Cyborg doesn't do much for her. She's already considered the biggest threat to Ronda and Meisha. But a loss can really hurt and basically give Cyborg that distinction.

I don't get how fans can be so unaware of the business side. Nobody is taking fights where the risk/reward makes no sense. And when a situation changes it then it has to be reevaluated.

 

[bjpenngoat]

why would she take a 30K show 30K win to fight cyborg when she could get 500K show 500K win against Ronda? who the hell would choose otherwise.