Holly Holm Disappointment

She pulled an Aldo.
 
Captain Herb said:
I would think it would have gone to Tate but it's a good point, if the judges were willing to give the second round a 10-8, maybe at least 2 would have given the last round to Tate* at 10-8 which would have given her the decision. I believe Tate needed a finish to win but apparently others disagree.

* edit: had she maintained control until the bell.
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Ah, i see. When I say 48-46 I am assuming rd 5 would've finished out the way it was going. It was kind of a hail mary when Tate went for that choke in the last 90 seconds, but it kind of wasn't. I like both fighters so the win was bittersweet.
 
That209 said:
Holly wants a rematch with Miesha, there's no interest in going up in weight now. When she was champ, she was open to it, but now she's just trying to get a rematch and basically do what's best for her career. She's trying to get the belt back, that's what she wants, it's the most important thing to her right now. Her main interest lies in getting the belt, trying to get a fight with Miesha, not moving up and fighting Cyborg.

People need to understand that fighters don't just accept every fight that comes their way. If any of you guys were fighters, the ones who say 'duck duck duck duck,' your career would be ruined quickly because you don't know how to make a good business decision whatsoever. This fight has very little interest for Holly's career right now, that doesn't mean it won't ever happen.

Holly would wreck Cyborg anyway. Cyborg is so damn sloppy on the feet, she'd get tagged up by Holly all night. Cyborg just moves forward and throws sloppy punches at you, she wouldn't fare well against Holly just like Ronda didn't. Moving forward like a bat out of hell and throwing wild shit doesn't work against her and that's all Cyborg knows. Her aggressiveness works against everybody else just like it did for Ronda, but it would be her undoing against Holly. Cyborg fought ONE high level striker (Jorina Baars) and she was outclassed badly. She won one round, if I remember correctly, but was dropped in practically every other one.

And it's not easy taking Holly down. We saw how much trouble Miesha had taking her down at all, Miesha has the best TD's in the division, she's the best wrestler there, and I expect people will say how Cyborg would submit her, but Cyborg hasn't submitted anybody in her entire career. Even in submission grappling, Cyborg has only one submission out of 8 matches. Cyborg doesn't try to submit anybody at all and her best TD's are when she puts you against the fence, and Holly stops TD's more effectively there and she's pretty decent at getting up. Miesha is very, very good on the ground with her control and has the best submissions in the division in terms of variety 'cause Ronda only has an armbar.

And who the hell has Cyborg even beat? she's the most overrated WMMA fighter of all time. Her best wins are Gina and Marloes Coenen, she hasn't beat anybody, she fights the easiest opponents in WMMA pretty much. Cyborg hasn't fought anybody GOOD in YEARS. So overrated. I could see Miesha and Ronda beating Cyborg too. She's not that good. She really isn't. She's so sloppy. God, how amazing it would be to see Leslie beat the brakes off her.
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Best Wrestler is Mcmann.
 
Captain Herb said:
I would think it would have gone to Tate but it's a good point, if the judges were willing to give the second round a 10-8, maybe at least 2 would have given the last round to Tate* at 10-8 which would have given her the decision. I believe Tate needed a finish to win but apparently others disagree.

* edit: had she maintained control until the bell.
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There is no way Tate could have gotten a 10:8 for the third round. She was losing until she landed that take down in the final two minutes. There is no guarantee that Miesha would have even won the round if she didn't get the finish.
 
KillerElite said:
Best Wrestler is Mcmann.
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Tate is arguably the better MMA wrestler, we're not talking pure wrestling.

Like DC is the best pure LHW wrestler but Jones is the best MMA wrestler.

Or Cejudo is the best pure FLW wrestler but MM might be the best MMA wrestler.

2 high school wrestlers and a JUCO wrestler in that best MMA wrestler group... 'low level' wrestling represent!
 
Fantomas187 said:
Tate doesn't even know how to do a proper level change. Her wrestling is not great at all.
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MMA wrestling =/= pure wrestling. McMann is a better pure wrestler but Miesha has adapted her wrestling much better to MMA. Miesha outwrestled McMann when they fought so that's that.
 
Idiots, she was winning every round except for the 2nd. Including the round were she fell victim to that hail mary sub.
 
fightfan62 said:
MMA wrestling =/= pure wrestling. McMann is a better pure wrestler but Miesha has adapted her wrestling much better to MMA. Miesha outwrestled McMann when they fought so that's that.
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If you can't level change then your wrestling ain't good. That's that.
 
Poser Caust said:
Idiots, she was winning every round except for the 2nd. Including the round were she fell victim to that hail mary sub.
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She sucked. She had no offence because she can't strike unless you come at her like ronda did.
 
Fantomas187 said:
If you can't level change then your wrestling ain't good. That's that.
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How was she able to win matches against boys and win the women's state championship in high school? How has she won so many fights with wrestling in MMA? lol
 
BigMuffler said:
How was she able to win matches against boys and win the women's state championship in high school? How has she won so many fights with wrestling in MMA? lol
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I don't know. In MMA her opponents generally don't have decent wrestling fundamentals themselves. So she gets away with it.

How competitive is that women's state championship? Perhaps her level change is better in pure wrestling. Maybe she finds it difficult changing from a fighting stance. But if that is the case it hardly speaks well of her "MMA wrestling".
 
fightfan62 said:
There is no way Tate could have gotten a 10:8 for the third round. She was losing until she landed that take down in the final two minutes. There is no guarantee that Miesha would have even won the round if she didn't get the finish.
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Hey, you're preaching to the choir, I'm just speculating on what lengths the judges would have gone based on a unanimous 10-8 in the second round.
 
Fantomas187 said:
I don't know. In MMA her opponents generally don't have decent wrestling fundamentals themselves. So she gets away with it.

How competitive is that women's state championship? Perhaps her level change is better in pure wrestling. Maybe she finds it difficult changing from a fighting stance. But if that is the case it hardly speaks well of her "MMA wrestling".
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MMA wrestling just means 'effective wrestling for MMA'. Holm also had 100% TDD and Tate took her down twice along with all her prior accomplishments using wrestling in MMA, her wrestling works.

This is kind of like people saying Fedor had poor striking because he didn't look the most technical, but he had good effective MMA striking, it worked.
 
Rematch said:
She pulled an Aldo.
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She got KTFO in 13 seconds? Oh no she was winning the fight until the last round when Tate got the submission. I mean I like Tate more than Holm but this is just stupid. I do love how all the bitter Rousey fans have come crawling back out from the shadows after their queen was humiliated.

Styles make fights Tate is better on the ground than Holm simple as that. Tate is also tough as nails and never gives up so one mistake and she'll take that opportunity.
 
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